---------------------------------------------------------- L29-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 06/20/16: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:16 AM - gear leg staying up. (skidmk) 2. 07:30 AM - Re: gear leg staying up. (William Geipel) 3. 07:37 AM - Re: gear leg staying up. (Jorgen Nielsen) 4. 07:37 AM - Re: gear leg staying up. (skidmk) 5. 09:23 AM - Re: Re: gear leg staying up. (William Geipel) 6. 11:47 AM - Attitude indicator (fougapilot) 7. 12:06 PM - Re: Attitude indicator (Delfindriver) 8. 12:17 PM - Re: Attitude indicator (fougapilot) 9. 02:05 PM - Re: Re: Attitude indicator (William Geipel) 10. 02:18 PM - Re: Attitude indicator (Delfindriver) 11. 02:25 PM - Re: Attitude indicator (fougapilot) 12. 02:29 PM - Re: Re: Attitude indicator (Robert Schwartz) 13. 02:52 PM - Re: Re: Attitude indicator (delfin29@me.com) 14. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Attitude indicator (Robert Schwartz) 15. 04:44 PM - Re: Re: Attitude indicator (William Geipel) 16. 04:45 PM - Re: Re: Attitude indicator (William Geipel) 17. 06:16 PM - Re: Attitude indicator (fougapilot) 18. 06:31 PM - Re: Re: Attitude indicator (L129bs) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:39 AM PST US Subject: L29-List: gear leg staying up. From: "skidmk" heres the issue, maybe someone has seen it. select gear down, left gear leg will stay in the well. select emergency gear dow, and it stays in the well, until I make a 2 g positive maneuver, then it comes down and locks. : lots of fluid in the system (at the full mark), : lots of nitrogen in the accumulators (90 showing) I am thinking perhaps the gear control valve is sticking or faulty? but then again, I think the emergency system bypasses the valve, and if so, then the gear should immediately come down. thoughts? comments? dirty jokes? -------- Mike "Skidmk" Bourget Ottawa, Ontario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457293#457293 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:30:48 AM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: gear leg staying up. From: William Geipel What color are the gear lights when you select down? Does it stay red? > On Jun 20, 2016, at 08:16, skidmk wrote: > > > heres the issue, maybe someone has seen it. > > select gear down, left gear leg will stay in the well. select emergency gear dow, and it stays in the well, until I make a 2 g positive maneuver, then it comes down and locks. > > : lots of fluid in the system (at the full mark), > : lots of nitrogen in the accumulators (90 showing) > > > I am thinking perhaps the gear control valve is sticking or faulty? but then again, I think the emergency system bypasses the valve, and if so, then the gear should immediately come down. > > thoughts? comments? dirty jokes? > > -------- > Mike "Skidmk" Bourget > Ottawa, Ontario > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457293#457293 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: gear leg staying up. From: Jorgen Nielsen Ok i'll try. I told my blond girlfriend she coloured her eyebrows too high. She looked surprised. >From memory the emergency down bypasses all the control systems and supplies hydraulic fluid under pressure directly to the actuating mechanism. So, on the basis that neither systems down the left undercarriage, the fault must lie at the actuator, not in the control system. The 2G's downing the undercarriage...probably when selecting gear down any locks are opened, and the 2G's are enough to allow it down. I had to do that in a seneca some years back, the backup system simply releases hydraulic pressure, and gravity is supposed to get it down and locked. Sent from my iPad > On 20 Jun 2016, at 16:16, skidmk wrote: > > > heres the issue, maybe someone has seen it. > > select gear down, left gear leg will stay in the well. select emergency gear dow, and it stays in the well, until I make a 2 g positive maneuver, then it comes down and locks. > > : lots of fluid in the system (at the full mark), > : lots of nitrogen in the accumulators (90 showing) > > > I am thinking perhaps the gear control valve is sticking or faulty? but then again, I think the emergency system bypasses the valve, and if so, then the gear should immediately come down. > > thoughts? comments? dirty jokes? > > -------- > Mike "Skidmk" Bourget > Ottawa, Ontario > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457293#457293 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:59 AM PST US Subject: L29-List: Re: gear leg staying up. From: "skidmk" the gear lights on the gear that drop right away go to green, the left gear leg does not stay red, it just goes dark. At best, it might look like a really dim green, but that might be my old eyes... lol -------- Mike "Skidmk" Bourget Ottawa, Ontario Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457296#457296 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: gear leg staying up. From: William Geipel In order for the light to go out, a micro switch must be activated. In the wheel well check the big uplock hook. See if you can turn it by hand. Some times it comes loose and may be binding thus the 2 g pull. The green light is controlled by the micro sw on the landing gear actuator. It must be moving just enough to allow the light to go out. The red lights are controlled by the micro sw on the leading edge in the wheel well. The light going out indicates that the inboard gear door is opening. bill > On Jun 20, 2016, at 08:37, skidmk wrote: > > > the gear lights on the gear that drop right away go to green, the left gear leg does not stay red, it just goes dark. At best, it might look like a really dim green, but that might be my old eyes... lol > > -------- > Mike "Skidmk" Bourget > Ottawa, Ontario > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457296#457296 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:41 AM PST US Subject: L29-List: Attitude indicator From: "fougapilot" Guys, Two fold question here; How accurate is your attitude indicator whilst doing aerobatic? It seems mine doesn't like it anymore. When I start the bird it works just fine (both cockpit) and after a few loops, it looses it and never recovers. I think it is simply getting towards the end of it's life. Anyone know where the gyro is located on an R model? The manual clearly specifies where it is on the C model, but the R has a tendency to move things a bit here and there... plus I don't remember anything underneath the rear seat. Cheers. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457309#457309 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:06:34 PM PST US From: Delfindriver Subject: Re: L29-List: Attitude indicator Center floor back cockpit On June 20, 2016 9:52:43 PM "fougapilot" wrote: > > Guys, > > Two fold question here; > > How accurate is your attitude indicator whilst doing aerobatic? > > It seems mine doesn't like it anymore. When I start the bird it works just > fine (both cockpit) and after a few loops, it looses it and never recovers. > I think it is simply getting towards the end of it's life. > > Anyone know where the gyro is located on an R model? The manual clearly > specifies where it is on the C model, but the R has a tendency to move > things a bit here and there... plus I don't remember anything underneath > the rear seat. > > Cheers. > > Dan > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457309#457309 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:00 PM PST US Subject: L29-List: Re: Attitude indicator From: "fougapilot" L29delfin(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Center floor back cockpit Even on the R model? There was a big camera there and a hole in the floor in a previous life. That is why the Hyd accumulators were moved to the nose section and I do not remember ever seeing the Gyro there when the floor was open. Thank for the help. D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457311#457311 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:05:06 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Attitude indicator From: William Geipel Bob > On Jun 20, 2016, at 13:16, fougapilot wrote: > > > > L29delfin(at)yahoo.com wrote: >> Center floor back cockpit > > > Even on the R model? > > There was a big camera there and a hole in the floor in a previous life. > > That is why the Hyd accumulators were moved to the nose section and I do not remember ever seeing the Gyro there when the floor was open. > > Thank for the help. > > D > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457311#457311 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:18:10 PM PST US From: Delfindriver Subject: Re: L29-List: Attitude indicator The original location for the attitude gyro is above the rear floor in a dome. If rear controls have been added it's most likely moved to rear side On June 20, 2016 10:03:28 PM Delfindriver wrote: > Center floor back cockpit > > On June 20, 2016 9:52:43 PM "fougapilot" wrote: > >> >> Guys, >> >> Two fold question here; >> >> How accurate is your attitude indicator whilst doing aerobatic? >> >> It seems mine doesn't like it anymore. When I start the bird it works just >> fine (both cockpit) and after a few loops, it looses it and never recovers. >> I think it is simply getting towards the end of it's life. >> >> Anyone know where the gyro is located on an R model? The manual clearly >> specifies where it is on the C model, but the R has a tendency to move >> things a bit here and there... plus I don't remember anything underneath >> the rear seat. >> >> Cheers. >> >> Dan >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457309#457309 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:25:28 PM PST US Subject: L29-List: Re: Attitude indicator From: "fougapilot" Interesting! We do have dual controls, so it has been moved... I guess I will simply follow the cables and see where the rabbit hole leads... Cheers, D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457317#457317 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:00 PM PST US From: Robert Schwartz Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Attitude indicator Most likely rear cockpit under side panels. Its =C2-a round grey gyro cas e. And it's bigBob Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 0:24, fougapilot wrote: Interesting! We do have dual controls, so it has been moved... I guess I will simply follow the cables and see where the rabbit hole leads ... Cheers, D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457317#457317 S - WIKI - - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 02:52:59 PM PST US From: delfin29@me.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Attitude indicator Grey or black. I think there are two (one for attitude, other for angle) Jean > Le 20 juin 2016 =C3- 21:28, Robert Schwartz a =C3=A9crit : > > > Most likely rear cockpit under side panels. Its a round grey gyro case. And it's big > Bob > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 0:24, fougapilot > > wrote: <>> > > Interesting! > > We do have dual controls, so it has been moved... > > I guess I will simply follow the cables and see where the rabbit hole leads... > > Cheers, > > D > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List" target="_blank">http://www.==C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- &n-->=C2- = ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:17 PM PST US From: Robert Schwartz Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Attitude indicator Turn and bank is between front and back seat on right side under panel. =C2 -The big attitude gyro could be anywhere. It's not a sanctioned relocatio n Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 0:52, delfin29@me.com wrote: G rey or black. I think there are two (one for attitude, other for angle)Jean Le 20 juin 2016 =C3- 21:28, Robert Schwartz a =C3=A9crit : Most likely rear cockpit under side panels. Its =C2-a round grey gyro cas e. And it's bigBob Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 0:24, fougapilot wrote:--> L29-List message posted by: "fougapilot" Interesting! We do have dual controls, so it has been moved... I guess I will simply follow the cables and see where the rabbit hole leads ... Cheers, D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List" target ="_blank">http://www.==C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- &n-->=C2- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 04:44:32 PM PST US Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Attitude indicator From: William Geipel It has to be on the sidewall. probably the right side in the rear cockpit. (WAG) > On Jun 20, 2016, at 15:24, fougapilot wrote: > > > Interesting! > > We do have dual controls, so it has been moved... > > I guess I will simply follow the cables and see where the rabbit hole leads... > > Cheers, > > D > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457317#457317 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:45:29 PM PST US From: William Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: Re: Attitude indicator one. gray. > On Jun 20, 2016, at 15:52, delfin29@me.com wrote: > > Grey or black. I think there are two (one for attitude, other for angle) > Jean >> Le 20 juin 2016 =C3- 21:28, Robert Schwartz > a =C3=A9crit : >> >> >> Most likely rear cockpit under side panels. Its a round grey gyro case. And it's big >> Bob >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 0:24, fougapilot >> > wrote: <>> >> >> Interesting! >> >> We do have dual controls, so it has been moved... >> >> I guess I will simply follow the cables and see where the rabbit hole leads... >> >> Cheers, >> >> D >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List" target="_blank">http://www.==C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- &n-->=C2- = ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:32 PM PST US Subject: L29-List: Re: Attitude indicator From: "fougapilot" There is a gray vertical cylinder on the RH side between both cockpit, I would think that this is the gyro for the DG. I will Open the back cockpit next time I am at the airport and look for the Attitude gyro. 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