---------------------------------------------------------- L29-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/08/16: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:37 AM - Re: Pylon covers? (fougapilot) 2. 05:55 AM - Re: Pylon covers? (Kevin) 3. 10:19 AM - Re: Pylon covers? (delfin29@me.com) 4. 05:05 PM - Re: Pylon covers? (William Geipel) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:37:06 AM PST US Subject: L29-List: Re: Pylon covers? From: "fougapilot" ca6209(at)flash.net wrote: > > Ontario,Canada CNF4 $1.00 gallon jet a > Check it out on Foreflight all of Canada is less than 1.50 and 100LL $1.55 > Sounds like a good place to base these fuel hogs. > Gary Outside the USA, we use the Metric system... so Foreflight prices are listed in the unit used in that specific airport... so for Canada the price are most probably $1.00 Canadian per Litre... or $3.78 Canadian per Gallon which at today's exchange rate is $2.90 USD per gallon. I paid $2.70 USD per gallon at my airport when you factor all these ($0.93 per litre) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457898#457898 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:00 AM PST US From: Kevin Subject: Re: L29-List: Pylon covers? Keep in mind that fuel is priced by the litre in Canada. There are 3.785 litres per US Gallon, so that fuel costs $3.785/gallon. Convert to US$ and it is $2.93/gallon. Still want to come up here? Kevin > On Jul 7, 2016, at 20:56 , Gary Cole wrote: > > 40 miles from my house/hanger Texas KARM $2.50 gallon jet a > Ontario,Canada CNF4 $1.00 gallon jet a > Check it out on Foreflight all of Canada is less than 1.50 and 100LL $1.55 > Sounds like a good place to base these fuel hogs. > Gary > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 7, 2016, at 5:34 PM, Bill Geipel > wrote: > >> Where is the cheap gas?? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 8, 2016, at 06:48, Gary Cole > wrote: >> >>> Well (the Bill) said! >>> Check out the $1:20 gallon jet a north east US and Canada. >>> Gary >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 4:07 PM, William Geipel > wrote: >>> >>>> Why are you taking them off? The penalty for leaving them on is between 10% & 15%. >>>> Since most of us can=99t afford to go very far any way, it shouldn=99t matter. >>>> Just curious. >>>> >>>> The other Bill >>>> >>>>> On Jul 7, 2016, at 09:33, Bill Culberson > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Specifically, >>>>> >>>>> Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration. >>>>> >>>>> Bill >>>>> =C2- <> >>>>> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Jon >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PM >>>>> To: l29-list@matronics.com >>>>> Subject: Re: L29-List: Pylon covers? >>>>> >>>>> The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons. >>>>> >>>>> On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" > wrote: > >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I purchased a bird in Houston this spring, it has tanks under the wing. I"m about to take them off, but I will need the covers that cover the internals. They "didn't" have them. >>>>> >>>>> ideas? sources? >>>>> >>>>> thanks >>>>> >>>>> -------- >>>>> Mike "Skidmk" Bourget >>>>> Ottawa, Ontario >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Read this topic online here: >>>>> >>>>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457824#457824 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ========== >>>>> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List >>>>> ========== >>>>> FORUMS - >>>>> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >>>>> ========== >>>>> WIKI - >>>>> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >>>>> ========== >>>>> b Site - >>>>> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >>>>> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>>>> ========== >>>>> >>>> ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:18 AM PST US From: delfin29@me.com Subject: Re: L29-List: Pylon covers? Not a good idea to fly without the covers. Jean de Roubin > Le 7 juil. 2016 =C3- 20:10, migfighter42@gmail.com a =C3=A9crit : > > If you are leaving the pylons on but flying with out the fuel tanks, the two ports that are open for pressurization of the tank and the larger line for fuel to the main tank would be left open. The covers for these ports are built into structural provisions in the pylon that hold (via clips) these covers while the tank is in use. not using the covers means you have a bleed air leak (no big deal) but the fuel in from the tank becomes a vent and could pull in debris from ground operations (troubling but unlikely). > > I many be able to post a picture later today... > > Bill (not THE Bill) > N39DE > > Sent from Windows Mail > > From: Robert Schwartz > Sent: =8EThursday=8E, =8EJuly=8E =8E7 =8E, =8E2016 =8E10=8E:=8E49=8E =8EAM > To: l29-list@matronics.com > > I'm confused about what is being asked about. When you remove the drop tanks there is a small clip that goes on over the access. As mentioned here. However if you remove the drop tanks and the hard points there are covers that can be put in where the hard points go to make a smooth bottom wing. > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android > On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:33, Bill Culberson > > wrote: > Specifically, > > > Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration. > > > Bill > > =C2- <> > From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jon > Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PM > To: l29-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: L29-List: Pylon covers? > > > The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons. > > On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" > wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I purchased a bird in Houston this spring, it has tanks under the wing. I"m about to take them off, but I will need the covers that cover the internals. They "didn't" have them. > > ideas? sources? > > thanks > > -------- > Mike "Skidmk" Bourget > Ottawa, Ontario > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457824#457824 > > > > > > > > ========== > List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List > ========== > FORUMS - > eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > WIKI - > errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com > ========== > b Site - > -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > ========== > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:35 PM PST US From: William Geipel Subject: Re: L29-List: Pylon covers? When we first imported the L29=99s, some had the little plugs some didn=99t. We flew anyway. If you think about it, the 7 psi air that the bleed line puts out if nothing. (1/2 atmosphere) while you are flying the airflow will create a venturi effect and help to suck out the bleed air. fuel cannot flow (one way) from the mains to the external tanks, so no problem. Sounds funny but use DUCT TAPE to cover the holes. Sadly the L29 is not fast enough to peel the tape! With the pylons off you get lots of drag. Drag which is greater than that created by leaving the pylons on. Build some aluminum plates. The factory actually made covers. I happen to have a pair. However they are buried deep somewhere or I would be happy to send pix. Just tape a piece of paper over the area, trace it, make two. Not much difference the flying with the doors off a Cessna. I have flown with the front canopy off, (not by choice but that of a student) it took full power to get around the traffic pattern. Fun, lets not do that again! what a drag. (Pun intended) Blue Sky's! > On Jul 8, 2016, at 11:19, delfin29@me.com wrote: > > Not a good idea to fly without the covers. > Jean de Roubin >> Le 7 juil. 2016 =C3- 20:10, migfighter42@gmail.com a =C3=A9crit : >> >> If you are leaving the pylons on but flying with out the fuel tanks, the two ports that are open for pressurization of the tank and the larger line for fuel to the main tank would be left open. The covers for these ports are built into structural provisions in the pylon that hold (via clips) these covers while the tank is in use. not using the covers means you have a bleed air leak (no big deal) but the fuel in from the tank becomes a vent and could pull in debris from ground operations (troubling but unlikely). >> >> I many be able to post a picture later today... >> >> Bill (not THE Bill) >> N39DE >> >> Sent from Windows Mail >> >> From: Robert Schwartz >> Sent: =8EThursday=8E, =8EJuly=8E =8E7 =8E, =8E2016 =8E10=8E:=8E49=8E =8EAM >> To: l29-list@matronics.com >> >> I'm confused about what is being asked about. When you remove the drop tanks there is a small clip that goes on over the access. As mentioned here. However if you remove the drop tanks and the hard points there are covers that can be put in where the hard points go to make a smooth bottom wing. >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android >> On Thu, Jul 7, 2016 at 10:33, Bill Culberson >> > wrote: >> Specifically, >> >> >> Clipped on the bottom of the pylon, between the tank and the pylon. When you pull the tank off, you should see them with little clips holing them in some keeper holes. It will fly without them, but not a preferred configuration. >> >> >> Bill >> >> =C2- <> >> From: owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-l29-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Jon >> Sent: Wednesday, July 6, 2016 7:27 PM >> To: l29-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Re: L29-List: Pylon covers? >> >> >> The plug covers are usually clipped to the pylons. >> >> On Jul 6, 2016 8:09 PM, "skidmk" > wrote: >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> I purchased a bird in Houston this spring, it has tanks under the wing. I"m about to take them off, but I will need the covers that cover the internals. They "didn't" have them. >> >> ideas? sources? >> >> thanks >> >> -------- >> Mike "Skidmk" Bourget >> Ottawa, Ontario >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=457824#457824 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ========== >> List" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?L29-List >> ========== >> FORUMS - >> eferrer" target="_blank">http://forums.matronics.com >> ========== >> WIKI - >> errer" target="_blank">http://wiki.matronics.com >> ========== >> b Site - >> -Matt Dralle, List Admin. >> rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> ========== >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message l29-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/L29-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/l29-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/l29-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.