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| Subject: | Flares Hydraulic Filter |
Two questions for anyone. =C2-
(1) Does anyone have the part number or ? =C2-for the flares that go into
the tail? Still looking for all four unfired...red, white, green, and yell
ow. May be able to get from the Czech Republic if I know the part number.
=C2-Anyone out there who has them and would like to sell, send me a price
off line.
(2) I've never changed the hydraulic oil filter. I didn't see anything in t
he service manual about procedure for changing it. Anything special I shoul
d be aware of? =C2-How much fluid is lost when I unscrew the bottom of th
e filter?
For the previous post concerning finding metal in the oil filter, I was loo
king thru the service manual for the M701 and I happen to find a paragraph
on metal in the oil filter. The manual says if metal is found, to clean the
filters and continue in service. If metal is found the next time the filte
rs are removed, to take out of service. It did not specify a time between t
he two filter checks but that may be in the inspection section.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Flares Hydraulic Filter |
Like I said, Finding them will take time. Sounds like you are in a
rush. So just let me know if u
find them elsewhere.
Shipping flares; Have you any idea of the ramifications or cost of
shipping =9CLive Ordinance=9D in the mail? Just a thought.
Any idea of the ramifications of importing, owning and admitting to
owning, on this site, a controlled ammunition. Just thinking.
And of course they are illegal to have on the jet. They look good on
your mantle above the fire place. Good conversation piece. Make some
fake ones for the airplane. Just like
guys that put fake guns on.
Most hydraulic filters are metal. Just clean them both. Big and little
one. Before you remove the filter, stuff many, many rags underneath the
filter housing, on top of the fire bottle. MANY! And a drain pan under
the jet.
Have you sent in an oil sample? That will tell you the type of metal in
the filters. We found IRON twice in the sample. The test facility said
don=99t fly it. IRON? The bearings are steel???
The hand pump we used on the barrel was putting iron in the oil.
Send your oil sample in for testing. That is probably in your
maintenance program. every 25 hours?? You need to extract oil from the
fill site, not the drain. Do it within 15 minutes of shut-down while the
particles are in suspension.
How often do you run the engine?
U said you are using Royco 481. Yes?
Have you ever run Exxon 2380 or an equivalent? Even just adding a quart
on the road.
Unlike piston engines, jet oil is rarely changed. No combustion, no
dirt. We usually just add. However, I usually change oil at the annual
regardless of hours flown. Cheap insurance.
How many hours have you flown the jet since purchase?
Have you checked the exhaust pipe for wear-thru and cracks? I think I
did it when I imported your airplane but I can=99t remember.
How is the fuel filter and fuel sump samples looking?
Bill
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 15:56, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
> Two questions for anyone.
>
> (1) Does anyone have the part number or ? for the flares that go into
the tail? Still looking for all four unfired...red, white, green, and
yellow. May be able to get from the Czech Republic if I know the part
number. Anyone out there who has them and would like to sell, send me a
price off line.
>
> (2) I've never changed the hydraulic oil filter. I didn't see anything
in the service manual about procedure for changing it. Anything special
I should be aware of? How much fluid is lost when I unscrew the bottom
of the filter?
>
> For the previous post concerning finding metal in the oil filter, I
was looking thru the service manual for the M701 and I happen to find a
paragraph on metal in the oil filter. The manual says if metal is found,
to clean the filters and continue in service. If metal is found the next
time the filters are removed, to take out of service. It did not specify
a time between the two filter checks but that may be in the inspection
section.
>
> Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Flares Hydraulic Filter |
Sorry Bill.....I thought you said you had them, not could get them. I'm a l
ittle confused.....If the ramifications are that severe, I'm surprised you
openly offered to supply them to me over this site, and even the seat charg
es. =C2-Aren't they explosive? Aren't you putting yourself in more legal
liability by offering them to me?? I'm sure there is a way.=C2-You can bu
y Czech flares (boxes of them) and flare guns from US stores over the inter
net and have them shipped to you. Already talked to the store. =C2-Maybe
not an aircraft military item but still a flare. How does Code 1 get the ch
arges for the fire extinguisher bottles? They're explosive. Guess taking th
e flares out is part of the demilitarization of the aircraft? My understand
ing was and read there was no demilitarization required on the L29 other th
an the IFF and the Czechs took that out. But I guess you would know since y
ou imported them. I was told having the gun sight and weapons panel install
ed was illegal too. I fly mine in airshows all the time with both and the F
AA and law enforcement looks at it every time and never said a word. Weapon
s panel is installed, but of course there are no weapons. But the FAA said
it should be installed because it has indicator lights for the aux fuel tan
ks and the indicator lights are a required part of the aircraft. Just what
the FAA told me.
I guess I have to ask the question, if the flares are that illegal and just
having them is that illegal and possibly part of the demilitarization of t
he aircraft, how was the aircraft sold to Rick with the flares still in it?
He told me he was the one that took them out. So, it was imported with and
sold with the flares? =C2-I'll check with Code 1 on the flares since I a
m told they are the same as for the L39.
Sounds like the hydraulic filter is a pain. Do you have to bleed the system
afterwards? Sounds like you lose a lot of fluid. Haven't had any problems
so maybe I'll wait a while longer.=C2-
Yes, oil sampling is in the maintenance program. No metal found. Clean oil
and filter screens...clean fuel filter too. Only have 100 hrs SOH. Rick ran
the engine every few months when he had it before i bought it. Clean engin
e except for a very minor oil weep from the oil pump screws.
Engine is run at least once a month, more during the summer months. It is d
own for 1-2 months during the winter for the condition inspection and isn't
run then.
No, don't use Royco 481 anymore. Did previously. I have a full 55 gal drum
of the Aeroshell 3SP and only use it. Got half a 5 gallon can of Royco 481
I will sell cheap. =C2-My engine uses no oil. I went two years once betwe
en oil changes and never used a drop. I change oil every year and clean oil
filter screens every year also. Never found anything in the screens. I too
k the screen stacks apart this year and cleaned each individual disk. Clean
.
I've flown the jet roughly 60 hours since I bought it.
Yes, I check the pipe during condition inspections. It still looks new.
The fuel samplings have always been clean from time i bought the aircraft.
I drained the main tank several times to look inside for debris and and alg
ae formation. Clean as a whistle. Same with drop tanks. Although I did have
to wash the aux tanks out before i installed them after I bought it becaus
e they were very dirty inside. I use Biobor JF biocide when I run K1 and a
lubricity additive. Fuel filters have little to no debris. I have a tank I
fuel from when not using Jet A and have a 2 micron particulate and 10 micro
n hydro filter. I changed fuel filter every year for the first couple years
(remember I was hot to buy a bunch of fuel filters) but because they were
always clean, I now change every two years. Probably could go longer but th
ese filters are from the 80's and I don't trust the paper. Just took the fu
el filter out today and the outer wrapper was very brittle. The filter medi
a was still very pliable. Got 50 years worth of fuel filters and oil!=C2-
I will be selling the plane and all the support items in the next year or s
o. Anybody want one hell of a good plane, let me know.
Tony
On Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:39 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
wrote:
Like I said, =C2-Finding them will take time. Sounds like you are in a r
ush. So just let me know if ufind them elsewhere.
Shipping flares; Have you any idea of the ramifications or cost of shipping
=9CLive Ordinance=9D in the mail? Just a thought.Any idea of t
he ramifications of importing, owning and admitting to owning, on this site
, a controlled ammunition. Just thinking.And of course they are illegal to
have on the jet. They look good on your mantle above the fire place. Good c
onversation piece. Make some fake ones for the airplane. Just likeguys that
put fake guns on.
Most hydraulic filters are metal. Just clean them both. Big and little one.
Before you remove the filter, stuff many, many rags underneath the filter
housing, on top of the fire bottle. MANY! And a drain pan under the jet.
Have you sent in an oil sample? That will tell you the type of metal in the
filters. We found IRON twice in the sample. The test facility said don
=99t fly it. IRON? The bearings are steel???The hand pump we used on the
barrel was putting iron in the oil.=C2-
Send your oil sample in for testing. That is probably in your maintenance p
rogram. every 25 hours?? You need to extract oil from the fill site, not th
e drain. Do it within 15 minutes of shut-down while the particles are in su
spension.
How often do you run the engine?U said you are using Royco 481. Yes?Have yo
u ever run Exxon 2380 or an equivalent? Even just adding a quart on the roa
d.Unlike piston engines, jet oil is rarely changed. No combustion, no dirt.
We usually just add. However, I usually change oil at the annual regardles
s of hours flown. Cheap insurance.How many hours have you flown the jet sin
ce purchase?Have you checked the exhaust pipe for wear-thru and cracks? I t
hink I did it when I imported your airplane but I can=99t remember.Ho
w is the fuel filter and fuel sump samples looking?
Bill
On Mar 25, 2017, at 15:56, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net> wrote:
Two questions for anyone. =C2-
(1) Does anyone have the part number or ? =C2-for the flares that go into
the tail? Still looking for all four unfired...red, white, green, and yell
ow. May be able to get from the Czech Republic if I know the part number.
=C2-Anyone out there who has them and would like to sell, send me a price
off line.
(2) I've never changed the hydraulic oil filter. I didn't see anything in t
he service manual about procedure for changing it. Anything special I shoul
d be aware of? =C2-How much fluid is lost when I unscrew the bottom of th
e filter?
For the previous post concerning finding metal in the oil filter, I was loo
king thru the service manual for the M701 and I happen to find a paragraph
on metal in the oil filter. The manual says if metal is found, to clean the
filters and continue in service. If metal is found the next time the filte
rs are removed, to take out of service. It did not specify a time between t
he two filter checks but that may be in the inspection section.
Tony
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| Subject: | Re: Flares Hydraulic Filter |
> On Mar 25, 2017, at 21:04, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
> Sorry Bill.....I thought you said you had them, not could get them.
I'm a little confused.....If the ramifications are that severe, I'm
surprised you openly offered to supply them to me over this site, and
even the seat charges. Aren't they explosive? Aren't you putting
yourself in more legal liability by offering them to me??
Yes I am. Finding them in my storage is what I said.
> I'm sure there is a way. You can buy Czech flares (boxes of them) and
flare guns from US stores over the internet and have them shipped to
you. Already talked to the store. Maybe not an aircraft military item
but still a flare. How does Code 1 get the charges for the fire
extinguisher bottles?
Safety requirement and required equipment. If they are in your airplane,
they must be current, maintained and in the maintenance program. It is
not in your program. And they are not current.
> They're explosive. Guess taking the flares out is part of the
demilitarization of the aircraft? My understanding was and read there
was no demilitarization required on the L29 other than the IFF and the
Czechs took that out. But I guess you would know since you imported
them. I was told having the gun sight and weapons panel installed was
illegal too.
You were told wrong. Gun sight not illegal. Weapons panel is hooked up
to nothing. The only requirement is that you must deactivate the fuel
tank jettison ability.
> I fly mine in airshows all the time with both and the FAA and law
enforcement looks at it every time and never said a word. Weapons panel
is installed, but of course there are no weapons. But the FAA said it
should be installed because it has indicator lights for the aux fuel
tanks and the indicator lights are a required part of the aircraft. Just
what the FAA told me.
What does the book tell you about the Green Indicator lights? I
demilitarized all of the aircraft. FAA doesn=99t have a clue.
>
> I guess I have to ask the question, if the flares are that illegal and
just having them is that illegal and possibly part of the
demilitarization of the aircraft, how was the aircraft sold to Rick with
the flares still in it? He told me he was the one that took them out.
So, it was imported with and sold with the flares? I'll check with Code
1 on the flares since I am told they are the same as for the L39.
>
I don=99t think Rick took them out. I did.
> Sounds like the hydraulic filter is a pain. Do you have to bleed the
system afterwards? Sounds like you lose a lot of fluid. Haven't had any
problems so maybe I'll wait a while longer.
It=99s not a matter of having problems. It=99s a matter of
maintaining the system in proper working order. Self bleeding. Fluid
drips out slowly the entire time the filter is off. So clean quickly.
Hydraulic fluid is everywhere when it starts dripping.
Many folks have found metal in the screen. Comes from the pump. Clean it
well.
>
> Yes, oil sampling is in the maintenance program. No metal found. Clean
oil and filter screens...clean fuel filter too. Only have 100 hrs SOH.
Rick ran the engine every few months when he had it before i bought it.
Clean engine except for a very minor oil weep from the oil pump screws.
Make sure you attach the oil report to the logs. Just in case something
happens.
>
> Engine is run at least once a month, more during the summer months. It
is down for 1-2 months during the winter for the condition inspection
and isn't run then.
>
> No, don't use Royco 481 anymore. Did previously. I have a full 55 gal
drum of the Aeroshell 3SP and only use it. Got half a 5 gallon can of
Royco 481 I will sell cheap.
Those two are the same. Same manufacturer. Different labels. 5 gallons,
about 10 years worth.
> My engine uses no oil. I went two years once between oil changes and
never used a drop. I change oil every year and clean oil filter screens
every year also. Never found anything in the screens. I took the screen
stacks apart this year and cleaned each individual disk. Clean.
Good plan.
>
> I've flown the jet roughly 60 hours since I bought it.
So you have no more money!
>
> Yes, I check the pipe during condition inspections. It still looks
new.
It wears holes in 3 places.
>
> The fuel samplings have always been clean from time i bought the
aircraft. I drained the main tank several times to look inside for
debris and and algae formation. Clean as a whistle. Same with drop
tanks. Although I did have to wash the aux tanks out before i installed
them after I bought it because they were very dirty inside. I use Biobor
JF biocide when I run K1 and a lubricity additive. Fuel filters have
little to no debris. I have a tank I fuel from when not using Jet A and
have a 2 micron particulate and 10 micron hydro filter. I changed fuel
filter every year for the first couple years (remember I was hot to buy
a bunch of fuel filters) but because they were always clean, I now
change every two years. Probably could go longer but these filters are
from the 80's and I don't trust the paper. Just took the fuel filter out
today and the outer wrapper was very brittle. The filter media was still
very pliable. Got 50 years worth of fuel filters and oil!
>
> I will be selling the plane and all the support items in the next year
or so. Anybody want one hell of a good plane, let me know.
Why? What support equipment do you have? Other than the tail dolly.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Saturday, March 25, 2017 8:39 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> Like I said, Finding them will take time. Sounds like you are in a
rush. So just let me know if u
> find them elsewhere.
>
> Shipping flares; Have you any idea of the ramifications or cost of
shipping =9CLive Ordinance=9D in the mail? Just a thought.
> Any idea of the ramifications of importing, owning and admitting to
owning, on this site, a controlled ammunition. Just thinking.
> And of course they are illegal to have on the jet. They look good on
your mantle above the fire place. Good conversation piece. Make some
fake ones for the airplane. Just like
> guys that put fake guns on.
>
> Most hydraulic filters are metal. Just clean them both. Big and little
one. Before you remove the filter, stuff many, many rags underneath the
filter housing, on top of the fire bottle. MANY! And a drain pan under
the jet.
>
> Have you sent in an oil sample? That will tell you the type of metal
in the filters. We found IRON twice in the sample. The test facility
said don=99t fly it. IRON? The bearings are steel???
> The hand pump we used on the barrel was putting iron in the oil.
>
> Send your oil sample in for testing. That is probably in your
maintenance program. every 25 hours?? You need to extract oil from the
fill site, not the drain. Do it within 15 minutes of shut-down while the
particles are in suspension.
>
> How often do you run the engine?
> U said you are using Royco 481. Yes?
> Have you ever run Exxon 2380 or an equivalent? Even just adding a
quart on the road.
> Unlike piston engines, jet oil is rarely changed. No combustion, no
dirt. We usually just add. However, I usually change oil at the annual
regardless of hours flown. Cheap insurance.
> How many hours have you flown the jet since purchase?
> Have you checked the exhaust pipe for wear-thru and cracks? I think I
did it when I imported your airplane but I can=99t remember.
> How is the fuel filter and fuel sump samples looking?
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>
>
>> On Mar 25, 2017, at 15:56, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net
<mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Two questions for anyone.
>>
>> (1) Does anyone have the part number or ? for the flares that go
into the tail? Still looking for all four unfired...red, white, green,
and yellow. May be able to get from the Czech Republic if I know the
part number. Anyone out there who has them and would like to sell, send
me a price off line.
>>
>> (2) I've never changed the hydraulic oil filter. I didn't see
anything in the service manual about procedure for changing it. Anything
special I should be aware of? How much fluid is lost when I unscrew the
bottom of the filter?
>>
>> For the previous post concerning finding metal in the oil filter, I
was looking thru the service manual for the M701 and I happen to find a
paragraph on metal in the oil filter. The manual says if metal is found,
to clean the filters and continue in service. If metal is found the next
time the filters are removed, to take out of service. It did not specify
a time between the two filter checks but that may be in the inspection
section.
>>
>> Tony
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Reduction valve |
Mine leaked also, would lose all pressure within 2 hours. You can open it and
replace the round diaphram with rubber from a raft patch kit. Mine was hard and
flaking apart inside. Take lots of photos, there 2 pins inside that have to
go back in the same way.
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| Subject: | Re: Flares Hydraulic Filter |
I'll buy your pail of oil if the price is right :)
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