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2. 05:12 AM - Re: Flaps Won't Retract (William Geipel)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: Stabilator Trim Motor (William Geipel)
4. 07:07 AM - Re: Stabilator Trim Motor (Anthony Royal)
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| Subject: | Flaps Won't Retract |
Hi,
The aircraft is undergoing an inspection. With a hydraulic mule connected, landing
gear retracts and extends normally as do the speed brakes. Flaps were extended
with the normal system but we cannot retract them. Stabilizer is trimming
normally for the 0, 15, and 30 position but the flaps won't retract. Both front
and back buttons have the same effect.
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Richard
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470219#470219
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| Subject: | Re: Flaps Won't Retract |
Have you drained the emergency extension valve in the right wheel well?
If yes, micro switch in wing root is stuck.
> On Jun 19, 2017, at 01:13, RJM <Richard@mrazek.net> wrote:
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>
> Hi,
>
> The aircraft is undergoing an inspection. With a hydraulic mule connected, landing
gear retracts and extends normally as do the speed brakes. Flaps were extended
with the normal system but we cannot retract them. Stabilizer is trimming
normally for the 0, 15, and 30 position but the flaps won't retract. Both front
and back buttons have the same effect.
>
> Any ideas?
>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=470219#470219
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilator Trim Motor |
Mine was a joke, but, we really want to know where to send it.
to quote the Pres. sad!
> On Jun 18, 2017, at 09:06, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net>
wrote:
>
> I would guess there are some intelligent people out there who maybe
would like to know what may be causing their trim motor problem. If you
don't want to know, then don't read it! Contribute something
constructive instead of sarcasm.
>
> Hey, maybe I'll trade the trim motor repair info for a few
flares.....people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:19 AM, Anthony Royal
<skyking76t@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>
> Play nice or I'll go home with my trim motor
>
>
> On Saturday, June 17, 2017 7:53 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
>
> We don=99t care how he did it. Just tell him to remember and
make sure you keep his contact info for us to ship ours.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 15:14, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net
<mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>> I told him he might be going into a new business because trim motors
seem to be a common problem with the L29
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:20 PM, John Cabrera <jetblast1@me.com
<mailto:jetblast1@me.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> If it works he is our new trim motor guy.
>>
>> john cabrera
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net
<mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> The tech still has the trim motor assy as he has to get the old
bearings out of the housing and order new bearings (metric you know) and
lubricate everything with new grease. We spent about 4 hours just to
troubleshoot. The motor has an ingenious electromagnetic brake inside so
when power is interrupted, the motor/jackscrew rotation stops and it is
held in place. Interestingly, before we separated the motor from the
jack screw housing, turning the armature by hand would not retract or
extend the jack screw but turning the adapter on the jack screw housing
did extend and retract the jack screw. So it's pretty much narrowed it
down to the motor itself. Being that the motor would not run initially
when power was applied and took some unusual effort to get it started,
confidence is high the bearings are the issue. Checking the field coils
with a meter showed good. Brushes were like new. Also, being that the
trim motor worked initially for departure but nothing from there on,
pretty much pointed to the trim motor. I had cycled several times on the
ground and got the trim moving light so the aircraft system seems to be
good.
>>>
>>> We didn't take any photos at that time cause we didn't know what we
were looking for but I will ask if he can when he puts back together.
Basically, separate the motor from the jack screw housing. Gently pull
apart and you will see the electrobrake. In the end of the motor there
is an insert that couples the motor to the brake. Remove it by pulling
straight out to see the front bearing. When we got the motor running,
not at full rpm, you could see the ball bearings and some were turning
at a different speed or not at all and you could see the armature just
barely wobbling. There's only about 0.020" clearance between the
armature and field coils. You could hearing the grinding of the bad
bearings or possibly the armature hitting and feel the vibration in the
motor itself. The grease being 20+ years old and having no lubricity
left, more than likely caused the bearings to fail and when power was
applied, allowed the armature to cock just enough to be out of alignment
with the field coil.
>>>
>>> This is our theory but it seems to be validated by what we did but
will know more once we get the new bearings installed. I will post more
later once we get the new bearings installed, test the motor on the
bench, and test in the plane.
>>>
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 17, 2017 3:24 AM, Hartley Postlethwaite
<hap1995@yahoo.com <mailto:hap1995@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
<hap1995@yahoo.com <mailto:hap1995@yahoo.com>>
>>>
>>> Do you have any good pictures? This could be a good small comment
to put in the next Red Alert. Deadline is the end of this month for
submissions.
>>>
>>> Feel free to send me a PM.
>>>
>>> Postal
>>> RPA President
>>> FlyingHartley@gmail.com <mailto:FlyingHartley@gmail.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Stabilator Trim Motor |
Sorry, it didn't come across like that but that happens with emails. My apo
logies.
I will post shortly. He's having to find the bearings. The bearings are mag
neto bearings and his normal supplier won't sell to him because it's for an
aircraft. He's going to another source.
On Monday, June 19, 2017 8:16 AM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> wro
te:
Mine was a joke, but, we really want to know where to send it.
to quote the Pres. sad!
On Jun 18, 2017, at 09:06, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net> wrote:
I would guess there are some intelligent people out there who maybe would l
ike to know what may be causing their trim motor problem. If you don't want
to know, then don't read it! =C2-Contribute something constructive inste
ad of sarcasm.
Hey, maybe I'll trade the trim motor repair info for a few flares.....peopl
e in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
On Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:19 AM, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net
> wrote:
Play nice or I'll go home with my trim motor
On Saturday, June 17, 2017 7:53 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com> w
rote:
We don=99t care how he did it. Just tell him to remember and make su
re you keep his contact info for us to ship ours.
Bill
On Jun 17, 2017, at 15:14, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net> wrote:
I told him he might be going into a new business because trim motors seem t
o be a common problem with the L29
On Saturday, June 17, 2017 1:20 PM, John Cabrera <jetblast1@me.com> wro
te:
If it works he is our new trim motor guy.
john cabrera
On Jun 17, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net> wrote:
The tech still has the trim motor assy as he has to get the old bearings ou
t of the housing and order new bearings (metric you know) and lubricate eve
rything with new grease. We spent about 4 hours just to troubleshoot. The m
otor has an ingenious electromagnetic brake inside so when power is interru
pted, the motor/jackscrew rotation stops and it is held in place. Interesti
ngly, before we separated the motor from the jack screw housing, turning th
e armature by hand would not retract or extend the jack screw but turning t
he adapter on the jack screw housing did extend and retract the jack screw.
So it's pretty much narrowed it down to the motor itself. Being that the m
otor would not run initially when power was applied and took some unusual e
ffort to get it started, confidence is high the bearings are the issue. Che
cking the field coils with a meter showed good. Brushes were like new. Also
, being that the trim motor worked initially for departure but nothing from
there on, pretty much pointed to the trim motor. I had cycled several time
s on the ground and got the trim moving light so the aircraft system seems
to be good.
We didn't take any photos at that time cause we didn't know what we were lo
oking for but I will ask if he can when he puts back together. Basically, s
eparate the motor from the jack screw housing. Gently pull apart and you wi
ll see the electrobrake. In the end of the motor there is an insert that co
uples the motor to the brake. Remove it by pulling straight out to see the
front bearing. When we got the motor running, not at full rpm, you could se
e the ball bearings and some were turning at a different speed or not at al
l and you could see the armature just barely wobbling. There's only about 0
.020" clearance between the armature and field coils. You could hearing the
grinding of the bad bearings or possibly the armature hitting and feel the
vibration in the motor itself. The grease being 20+ years old and having n
o lubricity left, more than likely caused the bearings to fail and when pow
er was applied, allowed the armature to cock just enough to be out of align
ment with the field coil.
This is our theory but it seems to be validated by what we did but will kno
w more once we get the new bearings installed. I will post more later once
we get the new bearings installed, test the motor on the bench, and test in
the plane.=C2-
Tony
On Saturday, June 17, 2017 3:24 AM, Hartley Postlethwaite <hap1995@yaho
o.com> wrote:
Do you have any good pictures?=C2- This could be a good small comment to
put in the next Red Alert.=C2- Deadline is the end of this month for subm
issions.
Feel free to send me a PM.
Postal
RPA President
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