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Subject: | Re: Stabilator Trim Motor |
Me too.
> On Jun 30, 2017, at 23:16, John Cabrera <jetblast1@me.com> wrote:
>
> Ok,
>
> Please send me the contact info for the bearings at jetblast1@me.com
<mailto:jetblast1@me.com>
>
> Thank you
>
> John Cabrera
>
>
>> On Jun 30, 2017, at 6:26 PM, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net
<mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>> Bearings for the trim motor are $70 + tax + shipping end user cost.
If anyone wants any, let me know and I'll hook you up with the contact
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:50 PM, Anthony Royal
<skyking76t@verizon.net <mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Will do.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 11:05 PM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> A replacement would cost more so not a bad deal.
>> Find out how much for the bearings and I would like to order a set.
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2017, at 14:33, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net
<mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>> My bill was just under $400. There were several hours of trouble
shooting time. With the electromomagnetic brake inside it's a little
more complicated than a standard motor, plus the bearings and shipping
cost to get the bearings so I could pick up today today, plus the wiring
repair. He's going on vacation tomorrow till the 8th and I'm leaving for
South America tomorrow. I guess each bill will vary.
>>>
>>> May not be a bad idea to have the bearings on hand. They would have
to be prepaid for though. I don't have the part numbers myself. Would
have to call the owner.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, June 22, 2017 12:22 PM, Bill Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> how much was it?
>>> should we order the bearings to have them I stock while he can still
find them?
>>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2017 10:13 AM, "Anthony Royal" <skyking76t@verizon.net
<mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>> Ok Bill and to all you L29 owners that have had some trouble with
your tail trim motor not working at times. Excuse the long narrative but
I think it is important to understand what may be going on with our
motors and may save time looking and troubleshooting everything but the
motor.
>>> I just picked up my tail trim motor and what he found might be a
common problem with these motors. First, the bearings were shot. They
are magneto bearings and they don't make them anymore. So, he doesn't
know how long he will be able to get them. Down the road they may have
to convert to a standard sealed roller bearing. He only uses top of the
ling bearings.....SKF, FAG, etc.
>>>
>>> Secondly, where the wiring harness goes just inside the motor, he
found a wire that had the two ends butted together, as opposed to
lapping over each other and cold soldered. Definitely not an acceptable
splice/connection in any application. He said there had been arching
between the wires for a very long time and they finally burnt apart. He
thinks this is what caused the trim motor to be intermittent and finally
fail, along with worn out bearings. The safety wire with the red seals
on the motor was still intact so the wiring problem looks to be a
manufacturing issue.
>>>
>>> After the new bearings (and they are not cheap) and fixing the wire,
the motor runs perfectly, quiet, and drives the jack screw now as it
should.
>>>
>>> After talking with the owner, he has agreed to look at your trim
motors and see if they can be fixed. He does not work on the jack screw
assy, only the trim motor, but send the complete assy. The only
stipulation is you will need to sign a liability release, releasing him
and the business from ANY and ALL liability associated with the repair
of the electric motor before he does any work. I had to sign a release
when I picked up my motor. The gentleman is very knowledgeable,
thorough, and honest.
>>>
>>> So, here is the contact info:
>>>
>>> Owner's name is Mike Loving
>>>
>>> Blue Ridge Servo Motor Repair, LLC
>>> 1017 Tennessee St.
>>> Salem, Virginia 24153
>>> Phone: 540-375-2990
<applewebdata://39DC8EFE-1FDD-496E-B0F8-19DCC41C5940>
>>> email: blueridgeservomotor@gmail.com
<mailto:blueridgeservomotor@gmail.com>
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>> Tony
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 19, 2017 10:09 AM, Anthony Royal
<skyking76t@verizon.net <mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Sorry, it didn't come across like that but that happens with emails.
My apologies.
>>>
>>> I will post shortly. He's having to find the bearings. The bearings
are magneto bearings and his normal supplier won't sell to him because
it's for an aircraft. He's going to another source.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday, June 19, 2017 8:16 AM, William Geipel <l129bs@gmail.com
<mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Mine was a joke, but, we really want to know where to send it.
>>>
>>> to quote the Pres. sad!
>>>> On Jun 18, 2017, at 09:06, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net
<mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would guess there are some intelligent people out there who maybe
would like to know what may be causing their trim motor problem. If you
don't want to know, then don't read it! Contribute something
constructive instead of sarcasm.
>>>>
>>>> Hey, maybe I'll trade the trim motor repair info for a few
flares.....people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday, June 18, 2017 9:19 AM, Anthony Royal
<skyking76t@verizon.net <mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Play nice or I'll go home with my trim motor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, June 17, 2017 7:53 PM, William Geipel
<l129bs@gmail.com <mailto:l129bs@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We don=99t care how he did it. Just tell him to remember and
make sure you keep his contact info for us to ship ours.
>>>> Bill
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 15:14, Anthony Royal <skyking76t@verizon.net
<mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I told him he might be going into a new business because trim
motors seem to be a common problem with the L29
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, June 17, 2015994120586602274473yiv8510581628"
href="mailto:jetblast1@me.com <mailto:jetblast1@me.com>"
target="_blank">jetblast1@me.com <mailto:jetblast1@me.com>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> john cabrera
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 17, 2017, at 6:48 AM, Anthony Royal
<skyking76t@verizon.net <mailto:skyking76t@verizon.net>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The tech still has the trim motor assy as he has to get the old
bearings out of the housing and order new bearings (metric you know) and
lubricate everything with new grease. We spent about 4 hours just to
troubleshoot. The motor has an ingenious electromagnetic brake inside so
when power is interrupted, the motor/jackscrew rotation stops and it is
held in place. Interestingly, before we separated the motor from the
jack screw housing, turning the armature by hand would not retract or
extend the jack screw but turning the adapter on the jack screw housing
did extend and retract the jack screw. So it's pretty much narrowed it
down to the motor itself. Being that the motor would not run initially
when power was applied and took some unusual effort to get it started,
confidence is high the bearings are the issue. Checking the field coils
with a meter showed good. Brushes were like new. Also, being that the
trim motor worked initially for departure but nothing from there on,
pretty much pointed to the trim motor. I had cycled several times on the
ground and got the trim moving light so the aircraft system seems to be
good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We didn't take any photos at that time cause we didn't know what
we were looking for but I will ask if he can when he puts back together.
Basically, separate the motor from the jack screw housing. Gently pull
apart and you will see the electrobrake. In the end of the motor there
is an insert that couples the motor to the brake. Remove it by pulling
straight out to see the front bearing. When we got the motor running,
not at full rpm, you could see the ball bearings and some were turning
at a different speed or not at all and you could see the armature just
barely wobbling. There's only about 0.020" clearance between the
armature and field coils. You could hearing the grinding of the bad
bearings or possibly the armature hitting and feel the vibration in the
motor itself. The grease being 20+ years old and having no lubricity
left, more than likely caused the bearings to fail and when power was
applied, allowed the armature to cock just enough to be out of alignment
with the field coil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is our theory but it seems to be validated by what we did
but will know more once we get the new bearings installed. I will post
more later once we get the new bearings installed, test the motor on the
bench, and test in the plane.
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, June 17, 2017 3:24 AM, Hartley Postlethwaite
<hap1995@yahoo.com <mailto:hap1995@yahoo.com>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
<hap1995@yahoo.com <mailto:hap1995@yahoo.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you have any good pictures? This could be a good small
comment to put in the next Red Alert. Deadline is the end of this month
for submissions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Feel free to send me a PM.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Postal
>>>>>> FlyingHartley@gmail.com <mailto:FlyingHartley@gmail.com>
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Subject: | Official L29-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the L29-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
L29-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/L29-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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L29-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the L29-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the L29-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
L29-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the L29-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occasional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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