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                           Lancair-List Digest Archive
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     1. 05:33 AM -   (Gary Casey)
     2. 12:45 PM - Re:   (Ron Raby)
     3. 04:11 PM - Lancair - ES... 2 week builder program  (Charles White)
     4. 05:11 PM - Re: Lancair - ES... 2 week builder program  (John Schroeder)
 
 
 
________________________________  Message 1  _____________________________________


Time: 05:33:34 AM PST US
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
Subject: Lancair-List: 

--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>

<<I was the first one to go to the builders assist program for the ES. I
went
for one week. during that week I closed my wings, horizontal stab and
elevators. the time savings in not having to build those jigs is well worth
it. It saves hundreds of hours of work. I definitely recommend the 2 weeks
at the factory. I started my kit in July of 01 and have approximately 2k
hours on
it. there is probably a thousand hours left. I bought every fast build
option available at the time. I could probably cut a third of that time if I
had to do it again. It takes a while to get good at doing the composite
work. I took a weekend sportair class on doing composite work in griffin
Georgia. I would recommend taking a similar course before the two week
builders assist.>>

Correction - I think I was the first!  I was there for the "builders assist"
1-week program in Feb. 01 for my kit # 157.  My comments would read exactly
like those above as I thought that week was the most useful of the whole
project.  One big thing is that it completely eliminates building any
tooling or jigs for the project, allowing you to concentrate on fiberglass
instead.  And I previously took the Sportair workshop at Corona, CA.  The
new 2-week program, which includes a lot more that what I received, would be
an even better deal, in my opinion.

Gary Casey
ES #157






________________________________  Message 2  _____________________________________


Time: 12:45:40 PM PST US
From: "Ron Raby" <ronr@advanceddesign.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: 

--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Ron Raby" <ronr@advanceddesign.com>

Gary

Thought I was first. How are you doing on your kit? I am about ready for my
enjine and panel.

Ron Raby

N829R

Kit # 160


----- Original Message -----
From: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
Subject: Lancair-List:


> --> Lancair-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
>
> <<I was the first one to go to the builders assist program for the ES. I
> went
> for one week. during that week I closed my wings, horizontal stab and
> elevators. the time savings in not having to build those jigs is well
worth
> it. It saves hundreds of hours of work. I definitely recommend the 2 weeks
> at the factory. I started my kit in July of 01 and have approximately 2k
> hours on
> it. there is probably a thousand hours left. I bought every fast build
> option available at the time. I could probably cut a third of that time if
I
> had to do it again. It takes a while to get good at doing the composite
> work. I took a weekend sportair class on doing composite work in griffin
> Georgia. I would recommend taking a similar course before the two week
> builders assist.>>
>
> Correction - I think I was the first!  I was there for the "builders
assist"
> 1-week program in Feb. 01 for my kit # 157.  My comments would read
exactly
> like those above as I thought that week was the most useful of the whole
> project.  One big thing is that it completely eliminates building any
> tooling or jigs for the project, allowing you to concentrate on fiberglass
> instead.  And I previously took the Sportair workshop at Corona, CA.  The
> new 2-week program, which includes a lot more that what I received, would
be
> an even better deal, in my opinion.
>
> Gary Casey
> ES #157
>
>






________________________________  Message 3  _____________________________________


Time: 04:11:43 PM PST US
From: "Charles White" <c.f.white@att.net>
Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair - ES... 2 week builder program

--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Charles White" <c.f.white@att.net>

Ron, thanks for all your thoughts on this! I too, believe the two week
builder assist program is the only way to go and am glad to hear you feel
the same way. Yes, it also seems that the 2nd week is well advised, for I'm
told that it focuses on fitting the doors and the gear... no small projects
either!

I have just finished building another plane (a 4 year project - so I can
certainly understand what you mean about the commitment in time.) In fact,
just won outstanding "Light Airplane" at Sun-n-Fun. Flew it from Houston to
Lakeland over 2 days at 80 kts. and 1500 ft. - a ton of fun!

Thanks again for your thoughts on the builders assist program and will
probably be in touch with you a lot as things with the ES develop. Just
retired a few months ago and with so much time now - hope to be able to
build the plane in about a year or so... probably wishful thinking!

Yes, I would love to see your pictures... please send them.

Also, let me ask you... are there not very many other Lancair builders on
this site? My other plane's site had a number of builders and proved to be a
valuable tool for everyone involved in building their plane.

Look forward to hearing from you...

Charles White
Houston, TX
713-532-0150

Charles

I was the first one to go to the builders assist program for the ES. I went
for one week. during that week I closed my wings, horizontal stab and
elevators. the time savings in not having to build those jigs is well worth
it. It saves hundreds of hours of work. I definitely recommend the 2 weeks
at the factory. I started my kit in July of 01 and have aprox 2k hours on
it. there is probably a thousand hours left. I bought every fast build
option available at the time. I could probably cut a third of that time if I
had to do it again. It takes a while to get good at doing the composite
work. I took a weekend sportair class on doing composite work in griffin
Georgia. I would recommend taking a similar course before the two week
builders assist.

I wanted to build this plane and have enjoy doing it. All I can say is make
sure that you and your family are prepared for the time commitment required.
I have pictures of the work from the builders assist program. if you want
them I can email some of them to you.

Good luck

Ron






________________________________  Message 4  _____________________________________


Time: 05:11:59 PM PST US
From: John Schroeder <jschroeder@perigee.net>
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair - ES... 2 week builder program

--> Lancair-List message posted by: John Schroeder <jschroeder@perigee.net>

Hi Charles -

Ron Szot and I are building a Super ES and live in the Charlotte, NC area. We 
did not get the millenium fastbuild ES (not available at the time be bought in

April of 01), but the kit has a lot of the millenium features. This makes the 
manuals a bit gruesome because they are not only out of date, but even more so

with the later fastbuild kits. This is another story, but somewhat relevant to

your decision.

Before we closed out our wing, we asked to go to the factory and participate in

the builder assist workshop for an L-IV. Since the IV has many features in 
common with the ES, we wanted to get as much info as possible on all aspects of

the building process. Marke Mahnke welcomed 2 willing laborers so we went in 
early Dec of 2001. We were most fortunate. Two Legacies and two LIV's were in 
the center - and all were just beginning week one of the builder assist shop. We

had only 3 days, but it was worth every penny and minute. We got to see almost

every aspect of the 2 week L-IV program because one project started on their 
wings and the other started on the fuselage. I believe that anyone starting and

ES ought to go for the 2 week program. In 2 weeks, you will be at a point where

we expect to be after about 26 months of building!!! :-( If you have the extra

budget, it will be the best investment you could make in the build process. YOu

get fabulous progress, great knowledge, superb assistance and a chance to spend

2 weeks working hard but getting to know some of the very best folks in the 
business. If you do go for the builder assist, I'd work extra hard to find an 
another worker-bee to go along to help. It will make a world of difference. Put

out the word and maybe someone who is working on an ES or contemplating an ES 
would like to learn how to do it. Another way to look at it is that you will get

2 solid weeks of firehose tech support without waiting or leaving voice mails!!

:-)

Go for it.

Cheers,

John Schroeder
LNCE - 50%