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1. 05:16 AM - TFR's (Stephen Crow)
2. 07:24 AM - TFR's (Stephen Crow)
3. 10:30 AM - Re: TFR's (klwerner@comcast.net)
4. 11:59 AM - Re: TFR's (Jonathan & Kathryn Hults)
5. 01:30 PM - TFR's (Stephen Crow)
6. 04:06 PM - Re: TFR's (Jonathan & Kathryn Hults)
7. 07:06 PM - Re: TFR's (Ken)
8. 07:18 PM - Re: TFR's (Cy Galley)
9. 07:35 PM - Re: TFR's (Stephen Crow)
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
I would think that a President who is a pilot would understand what tremendous
inconveniences he causes by allowing these ridiculous flight restrictions. Just
look at the long list of airports, large and small that are effected. He reminds
me of the time Clinton allowed an entire airport to be shutdown while he
had a leisurely haircut in the parked A/F One.
This present President knows better and choses to ignore the difficulties he causes.
Yeah, I know "He doesn't set these rules".
BS He could stop this idiosy with three short words "Cut the Crap!".
The aviation world should be screaming to him personally. I hope he's not totally
deaf.
Steve C.
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Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
More damn restrictions!
Steve C.
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----- Original Message -----
From: JERRYROOKS@aol.com
Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003
A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area
==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==
FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA
AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish
30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and
Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30.
AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential
movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association
maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation
Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the
president's security.
The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local
on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP
vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The
Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and
prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE
vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa
International Airport).
Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000
feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress.
Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete
transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain
two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic
control may authorize transient operations.
The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48),
Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North
Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46),
Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort
Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4),
Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive
(FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark
(PMP).
The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International
(TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International
(PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted
(SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM),
Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal
(ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and
Hernando County (BKV).
Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights
as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See
AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam
( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ).
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
This message from JERRYROOKS@aol.com .........
In a message dated 6/28/2003 8:24:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
To; Steve C.
I'm wondering when they'll start shutting down the air space around where
Air Force One is en route ?? We sure seem to be terrorized !!
Let's figure some way to tell him how this really seems to everybody else.
Thanks for keeping folks informed.
Jerry
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: klwerner@comcast.net
>> I'm wondering when they'll start shutting down the air space around
>> where Air Force One is en route?? We sure seem to be terrorized!!
As a matter of fact,
THEY DO shut down the Airspace around Air Force-1!
And they do enforce it, so don't even try to get a close-up picture of AF-1 the
next time the President is coming to your town.
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Jonathan & Kathryn Hults" <jkhults@interlinkdsl.com>
How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and
already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one
am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of
Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back
to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a
little inconvenience until then.
Cheers,
Jon Hults
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
klwerner@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: TFR's
--> Lancair-List message posted by: klwerner@comcast.net
>> I'm wondering when they'll start shutting down the air space around
>> where Air Force One is en route?? We sure seem to be terrorized!!
As a matter of fact,
THEY DO shut down the Airspace around Air Force-1!
And they do enforce it, so don't even try to get a close-up picture of
AF-1 the next time the President is coming to your town.
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
Jon:
1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any populated
areas.
2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the "thousands
of Americans being killed. NOTHING!
3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of course not!
4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major pain in the
neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating down a rocky precipice
to no added protection to Americans. You are too blindly complacent.
5. You're not the only one whose easily led around by an overly officious government
beauracracy. And you're paying for it too. Dearly.
Steve C.
========================================================
How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and
already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one
am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of
Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back
to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a
little inconvenience until then.
Cheers,
Jon Hults
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Jonathan & Kathryn Hults" <jkhults@interlinkdsl.com>
Steve,
1. I've been flying for 28 years...23 years professionally. I fly all
over the U.S. and the World.
2. No, small aircraft weren't used in the attacks.....LAST time!
3. We haven't banned general aviation aircraft...just taken safeguards.
4. Many of the TFR's are at and around sites that have been specifically
threatened.
5. You're anti-government stripes are showing, Steve. I'm not a BIG
government fan, but I do expect them to protect us from our
enemies....foreign AND domestic!
Face it, Steve, the world has changed and you may just have to live with
that pain in your neck!
Cheers,
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Crow
Subject: Lancair-List: TFR's
--> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
Jon:
1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any
populated areas.
2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the
"thousands of Americans being killed. NOTHING!
3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of
course not!
4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major
pain in the neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating
down a rocky precipice to no added protection to Americans. You are too
blindly complacent. 5. You're not the only one whose easily led around
by an overly officious government beauracracy. And you're paying for it
too. Dearly. Steve C.
========================================================
How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and
already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one
am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of
Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back
to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a
little inconvenience until then.
Cheers,
Jon Hults
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
Jon,
If someone disagrees with the way the yankee guvment is handling GA means we
are anti guvment then there are a lot of folks here id the DC area that are
against the folks that give them a pay check.
Ken
av8or@infionline.net
kring@mountainviewdogs.com
kring@irisweb.net
www.irisweb.net
www.mountainviewdogs.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan &
Kathryn Hults
Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's
--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Jonathan & Kathryn Hults"
<jkhults@interlinkdsl.com>
Steve,
1. I've been flying for 28 years...23 years professionally. I fly all
over the U.S. and the World.
2. No, small aircraft weren't used in the attacks.....LAST time!
3. We haven't banned general aviation aircraft...just taken safeguards.
4. Many of the TFR's are at and around sites that have been specifically
threatened.
5. You're anti-government stripes are showing, Steve. I'm not a BIG
government fan, but I do expect them to protect us from our
enemies....foreign AND domestic!
Face it, Steve, the world has changed and you may just have to live with
that pain in your neck!
Cheers,
Jon
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
Crow
Subject: Lancair-List: TFR's
--> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
Jon:
1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any
populated areas.
2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the
"thousands of Americans being killed. NOTHING!
3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of
course not!
4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major
pain in the neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating
down a rocky precipice to no added protection to Americans. You are too
blindly complacent. 5. You're not the only one whose easily led around
by an overly officious government beauracracy. And you're paying for it
too. Dearly. Steve C.
========================================================
How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and
already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one
am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of
Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back
to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a
little inconvenience until then.
Cheers,
Jon Hults
direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
It is surprising the cowardly attitude that the DC area has. They have
opened up the New York area but the Government is still hunkered down in the
halls of government while the rest of us have to pay these cowards.
Cy Galley - MVR-AACA www.aaca.org/mvr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's
> --> Lancair-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
>
> Jon,
>
> If someone disagrees with the way the yankee guvment is handling GA means
we
> are anti guvment then there are a lot of folks here id the DC area that
are
> against the folks that give them a pay check.
>
> Ken
> av8or@infionline.net
> kring@mountainviewdogs.com
> kring@irisweb.net
>
> www.irisweb.net
> www.mountainviewdogs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan &
> Kathryn Hults
> To: lancair-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's
>
>
> --> Lancair-List message posted by: "Jonathan & Kathryn Hults"
> <jkhults@interlinkdsl.com>
>
> Steve,
> 1. I've been flying for 28 years...23 years professionally. I fly all
> over the U.S. and the World.
> 2. No, small aircraft weren't used in the attacks.....LAST time!
> 3. We haven't banned general aviation aircraft...just taken safeguards.
> 4. Many of the TFR's are at and around sites that have been specifically
> threatened.
> 5. You're anti-government stripes are showing, Steve. I'm not a BIG
> government fan, but I do expect them to protect us from our
> enemies....foreign AND domestic!
>
> Face it, Steve, the world has changed and you may just have to live with
> that pain in your neck!
>
> Cheers,
> Jon
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
> Crow
> To: lancair-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lancair-List: TFR's
>
>
> --> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
>
> Jon:
> 1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any
> populated areas.
> 2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the
> "thousands of Americans being killed. NOTHING!
> 3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of
> course not!
> 4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major
> pain in the neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating
> down a rocky precipice to no added protection to Americans. You are too
> blindly complacent. 5. You're not the only one whose easily led around
> by an overly officious government beauracracy. And you're paying for it
> too. Dearly. Steve C.
>
> ========================================================
>
>
> How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and
> already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one
> am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of
> Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back
> to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a
> little inconvenience until then.
>
> Cheers,
> Jon Hults
>
>
> direct advertising on the Matronics Forums.
>
>
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
I call them liberal giant-government control freaks. Just your typical politician.
Steve C.
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: TFR's
--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
It is surprising the cowardly attitude that the DC area has. They have
opened up the New York area but the Government is still hunkered down in the
halls of government while the rest of us have to pay these cowards.
Cy Galley - MVR-AACA www.aaca.org/mvr
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
To: <lancair-list@matronics.com>
Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's
> --> Lancair-List message posted by: "Ken" <av8or@infionline.net>
>
> Jon,
>
> If someone disagrees with the way the yankee guvment is handling GA means
we
> are anti guvment then there are a lot of folks here id the DC area that
are
> against the folks that give them a pay check.
>
> Ken
> av8or@infionline.net
> kring@mountainviewdogs.com
> kring@irisweb.net
>
> www.irisweb.net
> www.mountainviewdogs.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jonathan &
> Kathryn Hults
> To: lancair-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Lancair-List: TFR's
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Stephen
> Crow
> To: lancair-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lancair-List: TFR's
>
>
> --> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
>
> Jon:
> 1. My guess is you don't fly. Or at least not E. of the Miss. into any
> populated areas.
> 2. You neglect the fact that small aircraft had nothing to do with the
> "thousands of Americans being killed. NOTHING!
> 3. Did we ban Ford Van rental trucks after Okalahoma City bombing? Of
> course not!
> 4. You call it "a little inconvenience". That it ain't. It's a major
> pain in the neck! It is gettin' worse, not less. We are accelerating
> down a rocky precipice to no added protection to Americans. You are too
> blindly complacent. 5. You're not the only one whose easily led around
> by an overly officious government beauracracy. And you're paying for it
> too. Dearly. Steve C.
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