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1. 05:21 AM - security (Gary Casey)
2. 05:36 AM - TFR's (Stephen Crow)
3. 06:23 AM - TFR's (Stephen Crow)
4. 08:07 AM - Re: TFR's (John Schroeder)
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: "Gary Casey" <glcasey@adelphia.net>
<<How quickly we forget! It's only been a year and a half since 9/11 and
already we want things back the way they used to be? Not me! I for one
am confident that after the initial "over reaction" to thousands of
Americans being killed by airplanes that things will eventually get back
to a more secure "normal" for us all. I'm willing to put up with a
little inconvenience until then.>>
To roughly paraphrase: "Those who will sacrifice their freedoms for
security deserve neither."
Let's see, who said that? I believe it was Benjamin Franklin. Maybe we
should remember that.
Gary Casey
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
I agree with you Gary (& Ben).......only problem is, this quote may be a bit too
literate for some of the big government "please-hold-my-hand" yahoos that hang
around this internet.
Let's at least try to get this massive beaurocratic mess off our flying backs.
Steve C.
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To roughly paraphrase: "Those who will sacrifice their freedoms for
security deserve neither."
Let's see, who said that? I believe it was Benjamin Franklin. Maybe we
should remember that.
Gary Casey
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
More stories of what a "minor" inconvenience from an insensative goat can mean
to a flight operation.
Steve C.
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Subject: Re: Fw: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
--> Commander-List message posted by: Bill Hamilton <fighterf@ozemail.com.au>
All,
I had a 4 hour delay the day the day Clinton had his hair cut on the end of
25R at KLAX, they should have cut his throat, I already had a 15 hour
flight time sector ahead of me, we just made it with minutes to spare in
our heavy crew duty limit of 20hrs, I was on the way to Melbourne YMML,
direct from KLAX.
What was so infuriating about the episode is that there are two perfectly
good, VIP spots ( and more secure than the eastern fence at KLAX, right by a main
road) on the western remote ramp, where AirForce 1 and similar
always go.
Cheers,
Bill Hamilton.
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At 09:27 PM 27/06/03 -0400, you wrote:
>--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
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>I would think that a President who is a pilot would understand what
>tremendous inconveniences he causes by allowing these ridiculous flight
>restrictions. Just look at the list of airports, large and small that are
>effected. He reminds me of the time Clinton allowed an entire airport to
>be shutdown while he had a leisurely haircut in a parked A/F One.
>This present President knows better and choses to ignore the difficulties
>he causes. Yeah, I know "He doesn't set these rules".
>BS He could stop this idiosy with three short words "Cut the Crap!".
>The aviation world should be screaming to him personally. I don't think
>he's totally deaf.
>Steve C.
>
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>Subject: Commander-List: Fw: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
>
>
>--> Commander-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
>
>More damn restrictions!
>Steve C.
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>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: JERRYROOKS@aol.com
>
>Subject: President Bush / Miami / Tampa
>
>
>AOPA ePilot Special Airspace Bulletin June 27, 2003
>
>A special notice to AOPA members in the Florida area
>
>
>==> ATTENTION PILOTS <==
>
>FAA TO ACTIVATE 30-NM TFRs OVER MIAMI AND TAMPA
>AOPA is sending this message to advise you that the FAA will establish
>30-nm-radius temporary flight restrictions (TFRs) over Miami and
>Tampa when President Bush travels to the cities on Monday, June 30.
>
>AOPA continues to lobby for more reasonably sized presidential
>movement TFRs, absent a specific and credible threat. The association
>maintains almost daily contact with the FAA, the Transportation
>Security Administration (TSA), and officials responsible for the
>president's security.
>
>The Miami TFR will be in effect from 11:20 a.m. to 2:30 p.m. local
>on Monday and prohibits aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the DHP
>vortac's 99-degree radial at 7.9 miles (near the Orange Bowl). The
>Tampa TFR will be in effect from 5 p.m. to 8 p.m. local on Monday and
>prohibits general aviation aircraft within a 10-mile radius of the PIE
>vortac's 62-degree radial at 9 miles (essentially over Tampa
>International Airport).
>
>Between 10 and 30 nm from the center of both TFRs and below 18,000
>feet, flight operations are only permitted for ingress or egress.
>Aircraft must be on an active IFR or VFR flight plan with a discrete
>transponder code assigned by air traffic control, and maintain
>two-way radio communications. The notam says that air traffic
>control may authorize transient operations.
>
>The impacted landing facilities for Miami are Miami Heliport (X48),
>Miami SPB (X44), Miami International (MIA), Opa Locka (OPF), North
>Perry (HWO), Kendall-Tamiami Executive (TMB), Opa Locka West (X46),
>Fort Lauderdale/Hollywood International (FLL), Downtown Fort
>Lauderdale Heliport (DT1), Motorsports Complex EMS Heliport (MC4),
>Motorsports Complex VIP Heliport (VI2), Fort Lauderdale Executive
>(FXE), Homestead General Aviation (X51), and Pompano Beach Airpark
>(PMP).
>
>The impacted landing facilities for Tampa are Tampa International
>(TPA), Peter O. Knight (TPF), St. Petersburg-Clearwater International
>(PIE), Vandenberg (VDF), Clearwater Air Park (CLW), Albert Whitted
>(SPG), Tampa North Aero Park (X39), Plant City Municipal (PCM),
>Airport Manatee (48X), Pilot Country (X05), Zephyrhills Municipal
>(ZPH), Lakeland Linder Regional (LAL), South Lakeland (X49), and
>Hernando County (BKV).
>
>Pilots are strongly encouraged to check notams prior to all flights
>as changes have occurred with many of these presidential TFRs. See
>AOPA Online for the full text of the Miami notam
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5150 ) or Tampa notam
>( http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/notams.html#3/5149 ).
>
>
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--> Lancair-List message posted by: John Schroeder <jschroeder@perigee.net>
OK. Here is a place to start. Just send a decent check ($250) to the AOPA
PAC every year. For good measure, send one to the ASF. I've had a fair
amount of experience in that business and this organization is one of the
best - highly motivated, focused, well led and still connected strongly
with its membership. And when they ask you to write or call members of the
Congress or FAA, do it. But do it with a calm, reasoned and personal
approach.
Thrashing around with words on a forum like this doesn't do much to solve
problems.
Thanks for listening to my opinion.
John Schroeder
> --> Lancair-List message posted by: Stephen Crow <k4cpx@arrl.net>
>
> I agree with you Gary (& Ben).......only problem is, this quote may be a
> bit too literate for some of the big government "please-hold-my-hand"
> yahoos that hang around this internet.
> Let's at least try to get this massive beaurocratic mess off our flying
> backs.
> Steve C.
> ===============================================
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