---------------------------------------------------------- Lancair-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/05/07: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:10 AM - Re: Optional Kits from Lancair (Mike) 2. 08:55 AM - Re: Optional Kits from Lancair (Al Hamilton) 3. 06:07 PM - Re: Optional Kits from Lancair (Mike) 4. 06:54 PM - Re: Optional Kits from Lancair (Mike) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:01 AM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair Bobby, Some of what Lancair has to offer is a good value, others are not. If I had the chance I would ask you what your priorities are! First the Legacy is by far the easiest kit I have ever worked on. The most labor intensive part of the build is the wing center section, wing close out, tail alignment, canopy, system closeout (wires and sub systems), hydraulic lines, and sanding. If you do the first two weeks of factory build you will be left with system closeouts, hydraulic lines, and sanding and the major labor parts. The best part of the factory build is the use of their jigs, it saved more then six months vs. doing the jigging yourself.. The rest of the builder assist is just them building your airplane. One thing to consider is that the Lancair folks are under time pressures and want to work fast. When building an airplane moving fast equals weight. If you want it don fast then you have work hard to not allow process and parts to increase the weight of the airplane. For example, you brought up the hydraulic and fuel line kit. It sounds good on paper, fast and easy to install. Have you ever weighed a pre-built line vs. a hand made line? There are reasons for making hand built lines. The hand build lines equal, aprox. 1/10 the weight of the pre-built line, and there are lots of line in a Legacy. I have flown five different Legacy=92s and the weight differences can be dramatic. The heaviest Legacy that I have flown so far was 1780 pounds (without interior)and the lightest was 1520 pounds (with interior). My airplane is 1560 and the average is 1670. It takes a lot of time to make the lines, but it can be worth it. You will never be able to do the 10 week factory build with hand made line unless you stay up nights building them, that=92s why they have the kit. So if weight is not that important to you (it should be), then the kit will be fine. I went with a IO-550N engine from Performance engines out of California. Many Legacy owners have made this choice and to my knowledge they have been very happy. When I was looking at my options I reduced it down to Factory New, Factory Zero Time, Performance Engines (ported ,polished, 10:1, balanced, electronic ignition, dual alt.), Barrett Performance Engines (same opt. as Performance.) The price was the same or close for all listed except for the Zero time OH, that was cheaper. I work with the Red Bull Air Race folks and found that we have been using the Performance and Barrett engines in almost all the planes. The few problems we have had with the race planes have been from the other engines. Let me tell you, these racers are not kind to these engines and they have worked without issue for the past three years without major problems. I was sold! I now have 300+ hours on my engine and life is good. I am currently helping two other Legacy builders, let me know if you have any other questions. Mike mlas@cox.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bobby Freeman Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:59 AM Subject: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair I will start building my Legacy Kit at the factory Jan. 2008 and am wondering if the optional kits from Legacy are good values. I am considering the IO-550 (rebuilt 44K), Hydraulic and Fuel line kit ($3,200), and the Engine Fast Build Kit (12K). Any thoughts?? Thanks, Bobby "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lancair-List"http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?Lancair-List "http://forums.matronics.com"http://forums.matronics.com 10/2/2007 11:10 AM 10/2/2007 11:10 AM ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:49 AM PST US From: "Al Hamilton" Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair Mike what electronic ignition system did you use. I have a 520 with mags and am interested in an upgrade. al ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:07:24 PM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair Al, I have Dual the Light Speed Plasma III. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Hamilton Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair Mike what electronic ignition system did you use. I have a 520 with mags and am interested in an upgrade. al 10/2/2007 11:10 AM 10/2/2007 11:10 AM ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:17 PM PST US From: "Mike" Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair Al, I have the dual Light Speed Plasma III. Mike -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Al Hamilton Sent: Friday, October 05, 2007 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Optional Kits from Lancair Mike what electronic ignition system did you use. 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