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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Lancair ES (GARY PENNINGTON)
2. 09:34 AM - Re: Lancair ES questions (ES for sale) (BERNDSENCO@aol.com)
3. 11:12 AM - Re: Lancair ES (Karoliina Salminen)
4. 01:27 PM - Re: Lancair ES (Rick Titsworth)
5. 03:41 PM - Re: Lancair ES (GARY PENNINGTON)
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| Subject: | PLEASE READ - List Fund Raiser Kickoff! |
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From: Rick Titsworth<mailto:rtitsworth2@mindspring.com>
To: lancair-list@matronics.com<mailto:lancair-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Where are you located?
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Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:00 AM
To: lancair-list@matronics.com<mailto:lancair-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Hello everyone
I am thinking of building a Lancair ES. In fact, I have been
evaluating a partially built kit that is for sale.
I'm wondering what is the smallest engine that has been successfully
used and what climb, cruise and economy that could be expected from it.
Also, how well does the ES fly. Are there any little quirks with the
ES that is a concern? How difficult is it to get used to the side
sticks?
Can anyone advise me?
Thank you.
Gary Pennington
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| Subject: | Re: Lancair ES questions (ES for sale) |
Gary,
I have an ES with the 210 HP IO-360 and really love the airplane. It will
cruise around 170 kts at 9 gph, so it is very economical. Takes a little
more runway to take off, so not good for very short strips. I live on a
2500' grass strip and I just have to make sure to take off with light loads
and keep an eye on the winds and density altitude. For trips I take off
light and then stop at a nearby regular airport to fill up with fuel before
heading off cross country. Rate of climb with the IO-360 is less than 1000
fpm, so it takes a little longer to get to altitude.
You will be much better off financially to find an ES that is already
flying and buy it, rather than building one from scratch. You will have way
over $200K in just parts/equipment invested in one that you build yourself,
and then add to that thousands of hours of your time. It is a major
undertaking and commitment. Of course, there is nothing more rewarding than
flying an airplane you built yourself, but don't go into it thinking you're
going to be saving money.
As for the flying qualities of the ES? It is wonderful. A marvelous,
stable, comfortable and quiet high speed cruising aircraft. The side sticks
are completely natural and take no time getting used to. Once you fly with
side sticks you will never want to go back to a conventional yoke or stick.
They really free up the cockpit and give you much more room. Nothing
blocking the panel, nothing between your legs to interfer with charts or
anything else on your lap.....
I don't know if you have looked into the costs of buying an ES kit from
Lancair, but just the basic kit (fiberglass parts, gear, basic hardware, etc.)
is around $90,000. Then you will need to buy the engine/prop, and
associated firewall forward components ($75,000), panel and avionics and
wiring/accessories ($50,000), interior finishes & accessories ($20,000), and paint
($20,000). As you can see, the numbers add up in a hurry, and it's not
uncommon for you to have $300K to $400K in a well equipped and well built ES.
I'm not trying to talk you out of building an ES, just pointing out the big
picture. I am building a Legacy right now (my 3rd airplane project) and I
love the process and experience. Just wish I had more time to devote to
the project so it would move along quicker.....
If you do want to participate in the building experience, but not invest
the time and big $ I suggest you look at buying an ES that is partially
completed, or one that is already flying but might need work to finish it out to
your personal tastes. You can buy a project ES or one already flying for
much less than the costs of the components.
I am going to be putting my ES up for sale shortly as I have a new Cirrus
Turbo that I have purchased and will not need two 4-place aircraft. My ES
was professionally built in 2003 and has less than 200 hours on it as it was
in storage for a number of years with no engine on it. (I had removed and
sold the original TCM IO-360 with the intent of upgrading to the bigger
IO-550, but that project got put on the back burner) I recently installed a
2007 Cirrus SR20 IO360 engine and prop on it and will put it back into
flying status shortly. The Cirrus engine and prop only have 240 hours on them.
My ES is a beautiful and well built aircraft. Has the most beautiful all
leather interior I've seen in an ES. Professionally built panel with
Garmin radio stack, glass panels, etc. Has won awards. I would be willing to
sell the aircraft whole, with fresh annual for $150K, or would part it out
selling the completed airframe, firewall forward, and panel separately if
someone wanted to do a different engine configuration or different panel
setup. I have available the new IO-550 ES engine mount, baffling kit, and a
used IO-550 with 850 hours TT or a brand new 0-time performance rebuilt
IO-550 that I could sell with the airframe also if you wanted to go with the big
engine.
Contact me directly if you are interested in any of the above. I live in
Atlanta.
Jon Berndsen
404-787-7472
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lancair-list@matronics.com writes:
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1. 06:02 AM - Lancair ES (GARY PENNINGTON)
2. 06:59 AM - Re: Lancair ES (tom.on.the.road@juno.com)
3. 09:03 AM - Re: Lancair ES (Brian Alley)
4. 01:21 PM - Re: Lancair ES (GARY PENNINGTON)
5. 04:33 PM - Re: Lancair ES (Bill Bradburry)
6. 04:43 PM - Re: Lancair ES (GARY PENNINGTON)
7. 04:56 PM - =?ISO-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Lancair-List=3A_Lancair_ES? (Nicholas
Paczkowski)
8. 09:24 PM - Re: Lancair ES (Rick Titsworth)
________________________________ Message 1
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Time: 06:02:38 AM PST US
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com>
Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Hello everyone
I am thinking of building a Lancair ES. In fact, I have been evaluating
a partially built kit that is for sale.
I'm wondering what is the smallest engine that has been successfully
used and what climb, cruise and economy that could be expected from it.
Also, how well does the ES fly. Are there any little quirks with the ES
that is a concern? How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks?
Can anyone advise me?
Thank you.
Gary Pennington
________________________________ Message 2
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Time: 06:59:35 AM PST US
From: "tom.on.the.road@juno.com" <tom.on.the.road@juno.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Gary,
I have a kit (mostly completed) for sale.
The ES was originally designed for the Cont. 360 (210 HP).. Many were b
uilt. and fly well. Some folks have put Lycomings in (6 cyl.) and they d
o well too.
With the IO-550, you can run lean of peak on less than 12 gph at 180-185
knots.
Call, if you're interested in my kit.
Tom 970-420-1798
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Time: 09:03:31 AM PST US
From: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Gary, I've built one ES and have two
in my shop in Ona, WV. If I can help
or if you want to come by, give me
a call
Sent from my iPhone
Brian Alley
carbonfibercomposites.net
304-395-4932
On Oct 31, 2010, at 8:59 AM, "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> I am thinking of building a Lancair ES. In fact, I have been evaluating
a p
artially built kit that is for sale.
>
> I'm wondering what is the smallest engine that has been successfully
used a
nd what climb, cruise and economy that could be expected from it.
>
> Also, how well does the ES fly. Are there any little quirks with the ES
th
at is a concern? How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks?
>
> Can anyone advise me?
>
> Thank you.
> Gary Pennington
>
>
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Time: 01:21:59 PM PST US
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Hello Brian
Thank you so much for your response.
I currently have a 1998 Piper Archer III. I just listed it for sale so I
can build an ES. I'd like to sell the Archer and build an ES for the
same amount of money. To keep the cost down, I would like to use an
O-360, 210 horsepower engine in the ES. I'm wondering if it would
perform well.
Have you had any problems with the main gear legs? Any shimmy? Any fuel
delivery problems or leakage? Does the plane handle well? Is it
difficult to get used to the side sticks?
Thanks again Brian
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Alley<mailto:n320wt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Gary, I've built one ES and have two
in my shop in Ona, WV. If I can help
or if you want to come by, give me
a call
Sent from my iPhone
Brian Alley
carbonfibercomposites.net<http://carbonfibercomposites.net/>
304-395-4932
On Oct 31, 2010, at 8:59 AM, "GARY PENNINGTON"
<pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone
I am thinking of building a Lancair ES. In fact, I have been
evaluating a partially built kit that is for sale.
I'm wondering what is the smallest engine that has been successfully
used and what climb, cruise and economy that could be expected from it.
Also, how well does the ES fly. Are there any little quirks with the
ES that is a concern? How difficult is it to get used to the side
sticks?
Can anyone advise me?
Thank you.
Gary Pennington
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Time: 04:33:03 PM PST US
From: "Bill Bradburry" <bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Gary,
Building a plane is not just exactly like selling one and buying
another.you
will probably be without a plane to fly for several years if you sell then
build. The best build plans have a way of life getting in the way of them.
If you can get a good deal, I recommend that you find a kit partially
completed and look at it very carefully to see if it is done with quality
so
you want have to redo anything.
Good Luck!
Bill B
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From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Hello Brian
Thank you so much for your response.
I currently have a 1998 Piper Archer III. I just listed it for sale so I
can
build an ES. I'd like to sell the Archer and build an ES for the same
amount
of money. To keep the cost down, I would like to use an O-360, 210
horsepower engine in the ES. I'm wondering if it would perform well.
Have you had any problems with the main gear legs? Any shimmy? Any fuel
delivery problems or leakage? Does the plane handle well? Is it difficult
to
get used to the side sticks?
Thanks again Brian
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian <mailto:n320wt@yahoo.com> Alley
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Gary, I've built one ES and have two
in my shop in Ona, WV. If I can help
or if you want to come by, give me
a call
Sent from my iPhone
Brian Alley
carbonfibercomposites.net
304-395-4932
On Oct 31, 2010, at 8:59 AM, "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com> wrote:
Hello everyone
I am thinking of building a Lancair ES. In fact, I have been evaluating a
partially built kit that is for sale.
I'm wondering what is the smallest engine that has been successfully used
and what climb, cruise and economy that could be expected from it.
Also, how well does the ES fly. Are there any little quirks with the ES
that
is a concern? How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks?
Can anyone advise me?
Thank you.
Gary Pennington
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Time: 04:43:44 PM PST US
From: "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Hello Bill
Your comments are very helpful. Thank you very much.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Bradburry<mailto:bbradburry@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Gary,
Building a plane is not just exactly like selling one and buying
another.you will probably be without a plane to fly for several years if
you sell then build. The best build plans have a way of life getting in
the way of them. If you can get a good deal, I recommend that you find
a kit partially completed and look at it very carefully to see if it is
done with quality so you want have to redo anything.
Good Luck!
Bill B
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[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Hello Brian
Thank you so much for your response.
I currently have a 1998 Piper Archer III. I just listed it for sale so
I can build an ES. I'd like to sell the Archer and build an ES for the
same amount of money. To keep the cost down, I would like to use an
O-360, 210 horsepower engine in the ES. I'm wondering if it would
perform well.
Have you had any problems with the main gear legs? Any shimmy? Any
fuel delivery problems or leakage? Does the plane handle well? Is it
difficult to get used to the side sticks?
Thanks again Brian
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Alley<mailto:n320wt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Gary, I've built one ES and have two
in my shop in Ona, WV. If I can help
or if you want to come by, give me
a call
Sent from my iPhone
Brian Alley
carbonfibercomposites.net<http://carbonfibercomposites.net/>
304-395-4932
On Oct 31, 2010, at 8:59 AM, "GARY PENNINGTON"
<pennington@q.com<mailto:pennington@q.com>> wrote:
Hello everyone
I am thinking of building a Lancair ES. In fact, I have been
evaluating a partially built kit that is for sale.
I'm wondering what is the smallest engine that has been
successfully used and what climb, cruise and economy that could be
expected from it.
Also, how well does the ES fly. Are there any little quirks with
the ES that is a concern? How difficult is it to get used to the side
sticks?
Can anyone advise me?
Thank you.
Gary Pennington
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Time: 04:56:56 PM PST US
From: "Nicholas Paczkowski" <npaczkowski@telus.net>
Subject: Lancair-List: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?RE=3A_Lancair-List=3A_Lancair_ES?
X-mailer: iolo System Shield 4.0.3.161
I endorse what Bill is saying. I am on my 10th year of building a L-IV.
Life
has a way.... In any event, late in the game you will require an engine
and
a panel. That's a good time to sell the plane that you are flying for the
final expensive touches that you need to get airborne in the ES
From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: October-31-10 4:41 PM
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Hello Bill
Your comments are very helpful. Thank you very much.
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill <mailto:bbradburry@bellsouth.net> Bradburry
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:28 PM
Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Gary,
Building a plane is not just exactly like selling one and buying
another.you
will probably be without a plane to fly for several years if you sell then
build. The best build plans have a way of life getting in the way of them.
If you can get a good deal, I recommend that you find a kit partially
completed and look at it very carefully to see if it is done with quality
so
you want have to redo anything.
Good Luck!
Bill B
_____
From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Hello Brian
Thank you so much for your response.
I currently have a 1998 Piper Archer III. I just listed it for sale so I
can
build an ES. I'd like to sell the Archer and build an ES for the same
amount
of money. To keep the cost down, I would like to use an O-360, 210
horsepower engine in the ES. I'm wondering if it would perform well.
Have you had any problems with the main gear legs? Any shimmy? Any fuel
delivery problems or leakage? Does the plane handle well? Is it difficult
to
get used to the side sticks?
Thanks again Brian
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Alley <mailto:n320wt@yahoo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 8:59 AM
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Gary, I've built one ES and have two
in my shop in Ona, WV. If I can help
or if you want to come by, give me
a call
Sent from my iPhone
Brian Alley
carbonfibercomposites.net
304-395-4932
On Oct 31, 2010, at 8:59 AM, "GARY PENNINGTON" <pennington@q.com> wrote:
Hello everyone
I am thinking of building a Lancair ES. In fact, I have been evaluating a
partially built kit that is for sale.
I'm wondering what is the smallest engine that has been successfully used
and what climb, cruise and economy that could be expected from it.
Also, how well does the ES fly. Are there any little quirks with the ES
that
is a concern? How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks?
Can anyone advise me?
Thank you.
Gary Pennington
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Time: 09:24:03 PM PST US
From: "Rick Titsworth" <rtitsworth2@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Where are you located?
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From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY
PENNINGTON
Sent: Sunday, October 31, 2010 9:00 AM
Subject: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
Hello everyone
I am thinking of building a Lancair ES. In fact, I have been evaluating a
partially built kit that is for sale.
I'm wondering what is the smallest engine that has been successfully used
and what climb, cruise and economy that could be expected from it.
Also, how well does the ES fly. Are there any little quirks with the ES
that
is a concern? How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks?
Can anyone advise me?
Thank you.
Gary Pennington
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Hello,
I am just a lurker as I fly Diamond, not Lancair at the moment (even
if the Evolution still remains my dream plane from all the kits out
there), so short comment from the usual silence:
> How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks?
We have traditional stick in Diamond and then I have also flown with
side stick Cirrus SR20 and SR22.
The Cirrus side stick has pretty springy feel (which may not be the
case with Lancair, Cirrus control feel is kind
of unique as far as I know) which makes it not so ideal, but anyhow
getting used to the
side stick part took maybe the first 15 minutes of the first
familiarization flight. Not very big deal.
For the feel and accuracy of the control I prefer the Diamond-style
stick but for the cockpit space and freedom,
the side stick is very good. On our N. Atlantic crossing trip with the
immersion suits on it would have been
a bit more comfortable with a side stick controlled plane than it was
with the Diamond. I think yoke is not to be discussed as who
wants to drive with a yoke anyway.
Best Regards,
Karoliina
http://n756ds.blogspot.com
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Cirrus is really a side yoke (not a side stick). Although it only has one
"ear/handle", it still slides in/out, versus pivoting.
Furthermore, Cirrus Elevator/pitch and Aileron/roll controls are all cable
driven (hence the springy/sloppy feel).
Side stick (Lancair/Columbia) was comfortable for me in about 10 min. I
wouldn't have it any other way.
Think about it this way: you're often flying with one hand anyway - Right
hand on the throttle during take-off, most of approach, and doing everything
else (radios, flaps, etc).
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From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karoliina
Salminen
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:10 PM
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
<karoliina.t.salminen@gmail.com>
Hello,
I am just a lurker as I fly Diamond, not Lancair at the moment (even
if the Evolution still remains my dream plane from all the kits out
there), so short comment from the usual silence:
> How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks?
We have traditional stick in Diamond and then I have also flown with
side stick Cirrus SR20 and SR22.
The Cirrus side stick has pretty springy feel (which may not be the
case with Lancair, Cirrus control feel is kind
of unique as far as I know) which makes it not so ideal, but anyhow
getting used to the
side stick part took maybe the first 15 minutes of the first
familiarization flight. Not very big deal.
For the feel and accuracy of the control I prefer the Diamond-style
stick but for the cockpit space and freedom,
the side stick is very good. On our N. Atlantic crossing trip with the
immersion suits on it would have been
a bit more comfortable with a side stick controlled plane than it was
with the Diamond. I think yoke is not to be discussed as who
wants to drive with a yoke anyway.
Best Regards,
Karoliina
http://n756ds.blogspot.com
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Hello Karolina/Rick
It sounds like getting used to the side stick is no big thing. I have
flown three airplanes with center sticks and I prefer the center stick
over the yoke I now fly in my Archer III.
Thanks guys
Gary Pennington
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick Titsworth<mailto:rtitsworth2@mindspring.com>
To: lancair-list@matronics.com<mailto:lancair-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:24 PM
Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
<rtitsworth2@mindspring.com<mailto:rtitsworth2@mindspring.com>>
Cirrus is really a side yoke (not a side stick). Although it only has
one
"ear/handle", it still slides in/out, versus pivoting.
Furthermore, Cirrus Elevator/pitch and Aileron/roll controls are all
cable
driven (hence the springy/sloppy feel).
Side stick (Lancair/Columbia) was comfortable for me in about 10 min.
I
wouldn't have it any other way.
Think about it this way: you're often flying with one hand anyway -
Right
hand on the throttle during take-off, most of approach, and doing
everything
else (radios, flaps, etc).
-----Original Message-----
From:
owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@
matronics.com>
[mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Karoliina
Salminen
Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:10 PM
To: lancair-list@matronics.com<mailto:lancair-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES
<karoliina.t.salminen@gmail.com<mailto:karoliina.t.salminen@gmail.com>>
Hello,
I am just a lurker as I fly Diamond, not Lancair at the moment (even
if the Evolution still remains my dream plane from all the kits out
there), so short comment from the usual silence:
> How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks?
We have traditional stick in Diamond and then I have also flown with
side stick Cirrus SR20 and SR22.
The Cirrus side stick has pretty springy feel (which may not be the
case with Lancair, Cirrus control feel is kind
of unique as far as I know) which makes it not so ideal, but anyhow
getting used to the
side stick part took maybe the first 15 minutes of the first
familiarization flight. Not very big deal.
For the feel and accuracy of the control I prefer the Diamond-style
stick but for the cockpit space and freedom,
the side stick is very good. On our N. Atlantic crossing trip with the
immersion suits on it would have been
a bit more comfortable with a side stick controlled plane than it was
with the Diamond. I think yoke is not to be discussed as who
wants to drive with a yoke anyway.
Best Regards,
Karoliina
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