---------------------------------------------------------- Lancair-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/02/10: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 AM - Re: Lancair ES (Rick Titsworth) 2. 04:45 AM - Re: Lancair ES (GARY PENNINGTON) 3. 06:30 AM - Re: Lancair ES (Rick Titsworth) 4. 05:25 PM - Re: Lancair ES (GARY PENNINGTON) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:18 AM PST US From: "Rick Titsworth" Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Gary, FYI, I noticed your post was from the Yahoo Lancair site. Good site, but.. Frankly, that site is not the most followed/active. For ES info, there is a Lancair ES group here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lancair_ES/ 15,000 past emails, pictures, etc - all from ES builders/flyers/etc The nerve center of the ES group ;-) Rick _____ From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:37 PM Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Hello Karolina/Rick It sounds like getting used to the side stick is no big thing. I have flown three airplanes with center sticks and I prefer the center stick over the yoke I now fly in my Archer III. Thanks guys Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Titsworth Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Cirrus is really a side yoke (not a side stick). Although it only has one "ear/handle", it still slides in/out, versus pivoting. Furthermore, Cirrus Elevator/pitch and Aileron/roll controls are all cable driven (hence the springy/sloppy feel). Side stick (Lancair/Columbia) was comfortable for me in about 10 min. I wouldn't have it any other way. Think about it this way: you're often flying with one hand anyway - Right hand on the throttle during take-off, most of approach, and doing everything else (radios, flaps, etc). -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karoliina Salminen Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:10 PM Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Hello, I am just a lurker as I fly Diamond, not Lancair at the moment (even if the Evolution still remains my dream plane from all the kits out there), so short comment from the usual silence: > How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks? We have traditional stick in Diamond and then I have also flown with side stick Cirrus SR20 and SR22. The Cirrus side stick has pretty springy feel (which may not be the case with Lancair, Cirrus control feel is kind of unique as far as I know) which makes it not so ideal, but anyhow getting used to the side stick part took maybe the first 15 minutes of the first familiarization flight. Not very big deal. For the feel and accuracy of the control I prefer the Diamond-style stick but for the cockpit space and freedom, the side stick is very good. On our N. Atlantic crossing trip with the immersion suits on it would have been a bit more comfortable with a side stick controlled plane than it was with the Diamond. I think yoke is not to be discussed as who wants to drive with a yoke anyway. Best Regards, Karoliina http://n756ds.blogspot.com ; -Matt Dralle, List nbsp; Features Chat, http://www.matrop; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _============= ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:45:48 AM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Hello Rick I accessed the site. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Titsworth To: lancair-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 11:55 PM Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Gary, FYI, I noticed your post was from the Yahoo Lancair site. Good site, but.. Frankly, that site is not the most followed/active. For ES info, there is a Lancair ES group here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Lancair_ES/ 15,000 past emails, pictures, etc - all from ES builders/flyers/etc The nerve center of the ES group ;-) Rick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 6:37 PM To: lancair-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Hello Karolina/Rick It sounds like getting used to the side stick is no big thing. I have flown three airplanes with center sticks and I prefer the center stick over the yoke I now fly in my Archer III. Thanks guys Gary Pennington ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Titsworth To: lancair-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 1:24 PM Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES > Cirrus is really a side yoke (not a side stick). Although it only has one "ear/handle", it still slides in/out, versus pivoting. Furthermore, Cirrus Elevator/pitch and Aileron/roll controls are all cable driven (hence the springy/sloppy feel). Side stick (Lancair/Columbia) was comfortable for me in about 10 min. I wouldn't have it any other way. Think about it this way: you're often flying with one hand anyway - Right hand on the throttle during take-off, most of approach, and doing everything else (radios, flaps, etc). -----Original Message----- From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Karoliina Salminen Sent: Monday, November 01, 2010 2:10 PM To: lancair-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES > Hello, I am just a lurker as I fly Diamond, not Lancair at the moment (even if the Evolution still remains my dream plane from all the kits out there), so short comment from the usual silence: > How difficult is it to get used to the side sticks? We have traditional stick in Diamond and then I have also flown with side stick Cirrus SR20 and SR22. The Cirrus side stick has pretty springy feel (which may not be the case with Lancair, Cirrus control feel is kind of unique as far as I know) which makes it not so ideal, but anyhow getting used to the side stick part took maybe the first 15 minutes of the first familiarization flight. Not very big deal. For the feel and accuracy of the control I prefer the Diamond-style stick but for the cockpit space and freedom, the side stick is very good. On our N. Atlantic crossing trip with the immersion suits on it would have been a bit more comfortable with a side stick controlled plane than it was with the Diamond. I think yoke is not to be discussed as who wants to drive with a yoke anyway. Best Regards, Karoliina http://n756ds.blogspot.com http://www.matrop; via the Web title=http://forums.matronics.com/ href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _============= www.buildersbooks.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lancair-Listhttp: //forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lancair-List ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:28 AM PST US From: "Rick Titsworth" Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Do you get to SNF or OSH? We typically have an informal ES builder/flyer dinner there (in addition to anything Lancair does). Pretty good group, and the experienced builder/flyers have been very gracious with their learning's. There's lots of help/insight available. Rick _____ From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Hello Rick I accessed the site. Thanks for the info. Gary Pennington ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:34 PM PST US From: "GARY PENNINGTON" Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Hello Rick Yes, I have been to Sun-n-Fun and Oshkosh but haven't been to the Lancair events. Have a great day. Gary ----- Original Message ----- From: Rick Titsworth To: lancair-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 6:27 AM Subject: RE: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Do you get to SNF or OSH? We typically have an informal ES builder/flyer dinner there (in addition to anything Lancair does). Pretty good group, and the experienced builder/flyers have been very gracious with their learning's. There's lots of help/insight available. Rick ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lancair-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of GARY PENNINGTON Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2010 7:43 AM To: lancair-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lancair-List: Lancair ES Hello Rick I accessed the site. Thanks for the info. 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