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3. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (Pete)
4. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Lightning questions..... (Rick Bowen)
5. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (john nichols)
6. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (Pete)
7. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (john nichols)
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| Subject: | Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review |
Hi Everyone,
Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS (Lightning Stuff) airplane
at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big arch main entrance to the
flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the best looking Esqual ever and
the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look if you at Airventure.
Pete
_____
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM
Hi Laurie,
Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual is right on. In fact,
flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor glider that can go really
fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do have a commercial glider
rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect ratio wing and the 19 to 1
glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop flying. Speed control on
final is important to get down and stopped short. Also, down low on a hot
bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat uncomfortable ride unless you slow
down. Of course that same wing allows you to get high in a hurry and be
above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise speeds.
Good point on using the Lightning's full 45 degrees of flaps to insure
short landings, as you say, into someone's back yard. It would certainly
allow a really steep approach. And it is always good to have extra "tricks"
in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong. The reason I mentioned
that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of puts you behind the
"power curve" and really took a long time to reestablish a climb rate during
my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a problem on a last minute go
around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought that I think I failed to
mention - the Lightning's rudder authority and rudder pressures are slightly
better and slightly lighter than my Esqual. Therefore, I found that slips
were a little easier and more effective in the Lightning. So that is
another "trick" for your "bag of tricks" that you will have on board.
At this point I would think that the tail dragger Lightning is just a
future thought. The guys in Shelbyville are just too busy now to work on
the changes, but I am fairly confident that if will happen - sometime. Some
future builder may beat them to it. I should be a relatively easy
modification once the geometry of the main gear is worked out. I can see
two ways to do that - either added to the motor mount angled aft, or added
to the central beam assembly (as is the current main gear) at the proper
angle. Adding the tail wheel would probably be the easy part. But it sure
would be a great looking airplane. Not that it isn't already.
Blue Skies,
Buz
PS: Leg pulling? Maybe a little.
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| Subject: | Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols <sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
Can anyone help me with some questions about the
lightning? john
--- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
<pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS
(Lightning Stuff) airplane
> at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big
arch main entrance to the
> flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the best
looking Esqual ever and
> the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look if
you at Airventure.
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> _____
>
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of
> N1BZRich@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Laurie,
>
> Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual is
right on. In fact,
> flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor
glider that can go really
> fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do have
a commercial glider
> rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect
ratio wing and the 19 to 1
> glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop
flying. Speed control on
> final is important to get down and stopped short.
Also, down low on a hot
> bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat
uncomfortable ride unless you slow
> down. Of course that same wing allows you to get
high in a hurry and be
> above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise
speeds.
>
> Good point on using the Lightning's full 45
degrees of flaps to insure
> short landings, as you say, into someone's back
yard. It would certainly
> allow a really steep approach. And it is always
good to have extra "tricks"
> in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong.
The reason I mentioned
> that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of
puts you behind the
> "power curve" and really took a long time to
reestablish a climb rate during
> my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a
problem on a last minute go
> around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought
that I think I failed to
> mention - the Lightning's rudder authority and
rudder pressures are slightly
> better and slightly lighter than my Esqual.
Therefore, I found that slips
> were a little easier and more effective in the
Lightning. So that is
> another "trick" for your "bag of tricks" that you
will have on board.
>
> At this point I would think that the tail
dragger Lightning is just a
> future thought. The guys in Shelbyville are just
too busy now to work on
> the changes, but I am fairly confident that if will
happen - sometime. Some
> future builder may beat them to it. I should be a
relatively easy
> modification once the geometry of the main gear is
worked out. I can see
> two ways to do that - either added to the motor
mount angled aft, or added
> to the central beam assembly (as is the current main
gear) at the proper
> angle. Adding the tail wheel would probably be the
easy part. But it sure
> would be a great looking airplane. Not that it
isn't already.
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Buz
>
> PS: Leg pulling? Maybe a little.
>
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete" <pete@flylightning.net>
Ask away!
Pete
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john nichols
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:33 PM
--> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols <sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
Can anyone help me with some questions about the
lightning? john
--- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
<pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS
(Lightning Stuff) airplane
> at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big
arch main entrance to the
> flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the best
looking Esqual ever and
> the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look if
you at Airventure.
>
>
>
> Pete
>
>
>
> _____
>
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of
> N1BZRich@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM
>
>
>
> Hi Laurie,
>
> Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual is
right on. In fact,
> flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor
glider that can go really
> fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do have
a commercial glider
> rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect
ratio wing and the 19 to 1
> glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop
flying. Speed control on
> final is important to get down and stopped short.
Also, down low on a hot
> bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat
uncomfortable ride unless you slow
> down. Of course that same wing allows you to get
high in a hurry and be
> above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise
speeds.
>
> Good point on using the Lightning's full 45
degrees of flaps to insure
> short landings, as you say, into someone's back
yard. It would certainly
> allow a really steep approach. And it is always
good to have extra "tricks"
> in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong.
The reason I mentioned
> that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of
puts you behind the
> "power curve" and really took a long time to
reestablish a climb rate during
> my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a
problem on a last minute go
> around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought
that I think I failed to
> mention - the Lightning's rudder authority and
rudder pressures are slightly
> better and slightly lighter than my Esqual.
Therefore, I found that slips
> were a little easier and more effective in the
Lightning. So that is
> another "trick" for your "bag of tricks" that you
will have on board.
>
> At this point I would think that the tail
dragger Lightning is just a
> future thought. The guys in Shelbyville are just
too busy now to work on
> the changes, but I am fairly confident that if will
happen - sometime. Some
> future builder may beat them to it. I should be a
relatively easy
> modification once the geometry of the main gear is
worked out. I can see
> two ways to do that - either added to the motor
mount angled aft, or added
> to the central beam assembly (as is the current main
gear) at the proper
> angle. Adding the tail wheel would probably be the
easy part. But it sure
> would be a great looking airplane. Not that it
isn't already.
>
> Blue Skies,
>
> Buz
>
> PS: Leg pulling? Maybe a little.
>
__________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning questions..... |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Rick Bowen" <rollnloop@hotmail.com>
Hi John,
Pete from Jabiru USA/Arion Aircraft will see any questions you post here,
along with several other folks who can probably answer any questions you
have.
Also, have you visited the Lightning Web page?
It is at: http://www.arionaircraft.com/index.html
So, take a look, and ask away!
Rick
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| Subject: | Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols <sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
I live near detroit michigan, and would like to find
someone close that can show me a lightning as im
interested in purchasing a lsa.
--- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
<pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete"
<pete@flylightning.net>
>
> Ask away!
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of john nichols
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:33 PM
>
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols
<sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
>
> Can anyone help me with some questions about the
> lightning? john
> --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> <pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS
> (Lightning Stuff) airplane
> > at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big
> arch main entrance to the
> > flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the
best
> looking Esqual ever and
> > the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look
if
> you at Airventure.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of
> > N1BZRich@aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Laurie,
> >
> > Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual
is
> right on. In fact,
> > flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor
> glider that can go really
> > fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do
have
> a commercial glider
> > rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect
> ratio wing and the 19 to 1
> > glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop
> flying. Speed control on
> > final is important to get down and stopped short.
> Also, down low on a hot
> > bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat
> uncomfortable ride unless you slow
> > down. Of course that same wing allows you to get
> high in a hurry and be
> > above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise
> speeds.
> >
> > Good point on using the Lightning's full 45
> degrees of flaps to insure
> > short landings, as you say, into someone's back
> yard. It would certainly
> > allow a really steep approach. And it is always
> good to have extra "tricks"
> > in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong.
> The reason I mentioned
> > that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of
> puts you behind the
> > "power curve" and really took a long time to
> reestablish a climb rate during
> > my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a
> problem on a last minute go
> > around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought
=== Message Truncated ===
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| Subject: | Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete" <pete@flylightning.net>
No Lightnings near Detroit yet. Catch us at OSH or visit us in Tennessee.
Pete
-----Original Message-----
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john nichols
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:23 PM
review
--> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols <sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
I live near detroit michigan, and would like to find
someone close that can show me a lightning as im
interested in purchasing a lsa.
--- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
<pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete"
<pete@flylightning.net>
>
> Ask away!
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of john nichols
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:33 PM
>
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols
<sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
>
> Can anyone help me with some questions about the
> lightning? john
> --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> <pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS
> (Lightning Stuff) airplane
> > at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big
> arch main entrance to the
> > flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the
best
> looking Esqual ever and
> > the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look
if
> you at Airventure.
> >
> >
> >
> > Pete
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of
> > N1BZRich@aol.com
> > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Laurie,
> >
> > Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual
is
> right on. In fact,
> > flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor
> glider that can go really
> > fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do
have
> a commercial glider
> > rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect
> ratio wing and the 19 to 1
> > glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop
> flying. Speed control on
> > final is important to get down and stopped short.
> Also, down low on a hot
> > bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat
> uncomfortable ride unless you slow
> > down. Of course that same wing allows you to get
> high in a hurry and be
> > above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise
> speeds.
> >
> > Good point on using the Lightning's full 45
> degrees of flaps to insure
> > short landings, as you say, into someone's back
> yard. It would certainly
> > allow a really steep approach. And it is always
> good to have extra "tricks"
> > in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong.
> The reason I mentioned
> > that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of
> puts you behind the
> > "power curve" and really took a long time to
> reestablish a climb rate during
> > my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a
> problem on a last minute go
> > around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought
=== Message Truncated ===
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| Subject: | Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols <sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
Work load doesnt allow me to get away for a weekend or
during the week. A road trip just isnt possible right
now to check out this aircraft but have taken a demo
flight on the ct by flight design and really like it
but like the written stats of the lightning
better....so, im stuck for now.
--- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
<pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete"
<pete@flylightning.net>
>
> No Lightnings near Detroit yet. Catch us at OSH or
visit us in Tennessee.
>
> Pete
>
> -----Original Message-----
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of john nichols
> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:23 PM
> review
>
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols
<sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
>
> I live near detroit michigan, and would like to find
> someone close that can show me a lightning as im
> interested in purchasing a lsa.
> --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> <pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
> > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete"
> <pete@flylightning.net>
> >
> > Ask away!
> >
> > Pete
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of john nichols
> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:33 PM
> >
> > --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols
> <sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
> >
> > Can anyone help me with some questions about the
> > lightning? john
> > --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> > <pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
> > > Hi Everyone,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS
> > (Lightning Stuff) airplane
> > > at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the
big
> > arch main entrance to the
> > > flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the
> best
> > looking Esqual ever and
> > > the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look
> if
> > you at Airventure.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Pete
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
> > On Behalf Of
> > > N1BZRich@aol.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Laurie,
> > >
> > > Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual
> is
> > right on. In fact,
> > > flying it is probably somewhat like flying a
motor
> > glider that can go really
> > > fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do
> have
> > a commercial glider
> > > rating) but with the relatively long, high
aspect
> > ratio wing and the 19 to 1
> > > glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop
=== Message Truncated ===
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