---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/20/06: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:02 PM - Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (Pete) 2. 02:33 PM - Re: Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (john nichols) 3. 03:06 PM - Re: Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (Pete) 4. 03:12 PM - Re: Re: Lightning questions..... (Rick Bowen) 5. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (john nichols) 6. 04:10 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (Pete) 7. 07:47 PM - Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review (john nichols) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:02:47 PM PST US From: "Pete" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review Hi Everyone, Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS (Lightning Stuff) airplane at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big arch main entrance to the flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the best looking Esqual ever and the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look if you at Airventure. Pete _____ [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM Hi Laurie, Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual is right on. In fact, flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor glider that can go really fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do have a commercial glider rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect ratio wing and the 19 to 1 glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop flying. Speed control on final is important to get down and stopped short. Also, down low on a hot bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat uncomfortable ride unless you slow down. Of course that same wing allows you to get high in a hurry and be above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise speeds. Good point on using the Lightning's full 45 degrees of flaps to insure short landings, as you say, into someone's back yard. It would certainly allow a really steep approach. And it is always good to have extra "tricks" in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong. The reason I mentioned that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of puts you behind the "power curve" and really took a long time to reestablish a climb rate during my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a problem on a last minute go around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought that I think I failed to mention - the Lightning's rudder authority and rudder pressures are slightly better and slightly lighter than my Esqual. Therefore, I found that slips were a little easier and more effective in the Lightning. So that is another "trick" for your "bag of tricks" that you will have on board. At this point I would think that the tail dragger Lightning is just a future thought. The guys in Shelbyville are just too busy now to work on the changes, but I am fairly confident that if will happen - sometime. Some future builder may beat them to it. I should be a relatively easy modification once the geometry of the main gear is worked out. I can see two ways to do that - either added to the motor mount angled aft, or added to the central beam assembly (as is the current main gear) at the proper angle. Adding the tail wheel would probably be the easy part. But it sure would be a great looking airplane. Not that it isn't already. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Leg pulling? Maybe a little. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:33:28 PM PST US From: john nichols Subject: Re: RE: Lightning-List: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols Can anyone help me with some questions about the lightning? john --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > > > Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS (Lightning Stuff) airplane > at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big arch main entrance to the > flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the best looking Esqual ever and > the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look if you at Airventure. > > > > Pete > > > > _____ > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > N1BZRich@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM > > > > Hi Laurie, > > Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual is right on. In fact, > flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor glider that can go really > fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do have a commercial glider > rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect ratio wing and the 19 to 1 > glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop flying. Speed control on > final is important to get down and stopped short. Also, down low on a hot > bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat uncomfortable ride unless you slow > down. Of course that same wing allows you to get high in a hurry and be > above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise speeds. > > Good point on using the Lightning's full 45 degrees of flaps to insure > short landings, as you say, into someone's back yard. It would certainly > allow a really steep approach. And it is always good to have extra "tricks" > in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong. The reason I mentioned > that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of puts you behind the > "power curve" and really took a long time to reestablish a climb rate during > my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a problem on a last minute go > around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought that I think I failed to > mention - the Lightning's rudder authority and rudder pressures are slightly > better and slightly lighter than my Esqual. Therefore, I found that slips > were a little easier and more effective in the Lightning. So that is > another "trick" for your "bag of tricks" that you will have on board. > > At this point I would think that the tail dragger Lightning is just a > future thought. The guys in Shelbyville are just too busy now to work on > the changes, but I am fairly confident that if will happen - sometime. Some > future builder may beat them to it. I should be a relatively easy > modification once the geometry of the main gear is worked out. I can see > two ways to do that - either added to the motor mount angled aft, or added > to the central beam assembly (as is the current main gear) at the proper > angle. Adding the tail wheel would probably be the easy part. But it sure > would be a great looking airplane. Not that it isn't already. > > Blue Skies, > > Buz > > PS: Leg pulling? Maybe a little. > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 03:06:23 PM PST US From: "Pete" Subject: RE: RE: Lightning-List: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete" Ask away! Pete -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john nichols Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:33 PM --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols Can anyone help me with some questions about the lightning? john --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > > > Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS (Lightning Stuff) airplane > at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big arch main entrance to the > flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the best looking Esqual ever and > the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look if you at Airventure. > > > > Pete > > > > _____ > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > N1BZRich@aol.com > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM > > > > Hi Laurie, > > Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual is right on. In fact, > flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor glider that can go really > fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do have a commercial glider > rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect ratio wing and the 19 to 1 > glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop flying. Speed control on > final is important to get down and stopped short. Also, down low on a hot > bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat uncomfortable ride unless you slow > down. Of course that same wing allows you to get high in a hurry and be > above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise speeds. > > Good point on using the Lightning's full 45 degrees of flaps to insure > short landings, as you say, into someone's back yard. It would certainly > allow a really steep approach. And it is always good to have extra "tricks" > in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong. The reason I mentioned > that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of puts you behind the > "power curve" and really took a long time to reestablish a climb rate during > my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a problem on a last minute go > around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought that I think I failed to > mention - the Lightning's rudder authority and rudder pressures are slightly > better and slightly lighter than my Esqual. Therefore, I found that slips > were a little easier and more effective in the Lightning. So that is > another "trick" for your "bag of tricks" that you will have on board. > > At this point I would think that the tail dragger Lightning is just a > future thought. The guys in Shelbyville are just too busy now to work on > the changes, but I am fairly confident that if will happen - sometime. Some > future builder may beat them to it. I should be a relatively easy > modification once the geometry of the main gear is worked out. I can see > two ways to do that - either added to the motor mount angled aft, or added > to the central beam assembly (as is the current main gear) at the proper > angle. Adding the tail wheel would probably be the easy part. But it sure > would be a great looking airplane. Not that it isn't already. > > Blue Skies, > > Buz > > PS: Leg pulling? Maybe a little. > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:12:19 PM PST US From: "Rick Bowen" Subject: Re: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning questions..... --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Rick Bowen" Hi John, Pete from Jabiru USA/Arion Aircraft will see any questions you post here, along with several other folks who can probably answer any questions you have. Also, have you visited the Lightning Web page? It is at: http://www.arionaircraft.com/index.html So, take a look, and ask away! Rick ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:22 PM PST US From: john nichols Subject: Re: RE: RE: Lightning-List: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols I live near detroit michigan, and would like to find someone close that can show me a lightning as im interested in purchasing a lsa. --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com wrote: > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete" > > Ask away! > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john nichols > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:33 PM > > --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols > > Can anyone help me with some questions about the > lightning? john > --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS > (Lightning Stuff) airplane > > at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big > arch main entrance to the > > flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the best > looking Esqual ever and > > the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look if > you at Airventure. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of > > N1BZRich@aol.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie, > > > > Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual is > right on. In fact, > > flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor > glider that can go really > > fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do have > a commercial glider > > rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect > ratio wing and the 19 to 1 > > glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop > flying. Speed control on > > final is important to get down and stopped short. > Also, down low on a hot > > bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat > uncomfortable ride unless you slow > > down. Of course that same wing allows you to get > high in a hurry and be > > above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise > speeds. > > > > Good point on using the Lightning's full 45 > degrees of flaps to insure > > short landings, as you say, into someone's back > yard. It would certainly > > allow a really steep approach. And it is always > good to have extra "tricks" > > in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong. > The reason I mentioned > > that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of > puts you behind the > > "power curve" and really took a long time to > reestablish a climb rate during > > my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a > problem on a last minute go > > around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought === Message Truncated === __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:10:58 PM PST US From: "Pete" Subject: RE: RE: RE: Lightning-List: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete" No Lightnings near Detroit yet. Catch us at OSH or visit us in Tennessee. Pete -----Original Message----- [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john nichols Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:23 PM review --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols I live near detroit michigan, and would like to find someone close that can show me a lightning as im interested in purchasing a lsa. --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com wrote: > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete" > > Ask away! > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john nichols > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:33 PM > > --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols > > Can anyone help me with some questions about the > lightning? john > --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > wrote: > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS > (Lightning Stuff) airplane > > at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big > arch main entrance to the > > flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the best > looking Esqual ever and > > the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look if > you at Airventure. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of > > N1BZRich@aol.com > > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie, > > > > Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual is > right on. In fact, > > flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor > glider that can go really > > fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do have > a commercial glider > > rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect > ratio wing and the 19 to 1 > > glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop > flying. Speed control on > > final is important to get down and stopped short. > Also, down low on a hot > > bumpy day, the Esqual can be a somewhat > uncomfortable ride unless you slow > > down. Of course that same wing allows you to get > high in a hurry and be > > above the bumpy air and utilize the fast cruise > speeds. > > > > Good point on using the Lightning's full 45 > degrees of flaps to insure > > short landings, as you say, into someone's back > yard. It would certainly > > allow a really steep approach. And it is always > good to have extra "tricks" > > in your "bag of tricks" when something goes wrong. > The reason I mentioned > > that is the high drag situation (45 flaps) kind of > puts you behind the > > "power curve" and really took a long time to > reestablish a climb rate during > > my dirty stalls and that could potentially be a > problem on a last minute go > > around. Your mileage may vary. Another thought === Message Truncated === __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:40 PM PST US From: john nichols Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: Lightning-List: Re: [esqualtalk] Lightning Flight review --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols Work load doesnt allow me to get away for a weekend or during the week. A road trip just isnt possible right now to check out this aircraft but have taken a demo flight on the ct by flight design and really like it but like the written stats of the lightning better....so, im stuck for now. --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com wrote: > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete" > > No Lightnings near Detroit yet. Catch us at OSH or visit us in Tennessee. > > Pete > > -----Original Message----- > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of john nichols > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:23 PM > review > > --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols > > I live near detroit michigan, and would like to find > someone close that can show me a lightning as im > interested in purchasing a lsa. > --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > wrote: > > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete" > > > > > Ask away! > > > > Pete > > > > -----Original Message----- > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of john nichols > > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 4:33 PM > > > > --> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols > > > > > Can anyone help me with some questions about the > > lightning? john > > --- owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > > wrote: > > > Hi Everyone, > > > > > > > > > > > > Make sure to stop and see Buz Rich's Esqual LS > > (Lightning Stuff) airplane > > > at OSH. It is parked in the first row by the big > > arch main entrance to the > > > flightline (prime spot!). For sure this is the > best > > looking Esqual ever and > > > the fastest one as well. Certainly worth a look > if > > you at Airventure. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] > > On Behalf Of > > > N1BZRich@aol.com > > > Sent: Sunday, July 16, 2006 8:55 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Laurie, > > > > > > Your glider comparison to landing the Esqual > is > > right on. In fact, > > > flying it is probably somewhat like flying a motor > > glider that can go really > > > fast. I have never flown a motor glider (I do > have > > a commercial glider > > > rating) but with the relatively long, high aspect > > ratio wing and the 19 to 1 > > > glide ratio, the Esqual does not want to stop === Message Truncated === __________________________________________________