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1. 02:59 AM - missing parts (Tex Mantell)
2. 04:40 AM - Re: Re: RV-9A v. Lightening (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
3. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: RV-9A v. Lightening (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
4. 05:50 AM - Re: Re: Re: RV-9A v. Lightening (john nichols)
5. 05:58 AM - Re: missing parts (john nichols)
6. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: RV-9A v. Lightening (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
7. 06:09 AM - Re: Re: Re: RV-9A v. Lightening (Colin J. Kennedy)
8. 06:41 AM - Re: Re: Re: RV-9A v. Lightening (john nichols)
9. 10:28 AM - transponder ant. (Tex Mantell)
10. 01:48 PM - Re: transponder ant. (Pete)
11. 01:50 PM - Next week and N17EF progress (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
12. 01:54 PM - Re: RV-9A v. Lightening (deuskid)
13. 01:55 PM - Re: RV-9A v. Lightening (deuskid)
14. 02:58 PM - Re: Next week and N17EF progress (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
15. 03:14 PM - Lightning Pics N430GH (Brian Whittingham)
16. 04:48 PM - Re: transponder ant. (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
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Nick, have you found the diagram for cutting out the tail? Also did
you re-order the rear central beam that I am missing?
I have made a list of the parts that are still missing from the kit and
hope it agrees with your notes.
1= control panel
fairings for nose and mains
canopy
rear central beam half
nose leg and fittings
4= angle incidence plates
2= flap brackets
3ft. hinge
56" choke cable
52" carb heat cable
52 " cabin heat cable
TEX
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A v. Lightening |
In a message dated 8/18/2006 12:36:21 PM Eastern Standard Time,
djvdb63@yahoo.com writes:
Doug...
Slightly off topic but....could you describe in a nutshell why the 914 is
considered troublesome (other than the fact that it is hideously expensive)?
Thanks.
Dan
My view of troublesome is not from direct experience but stray anicdotes.
It is not easy to fabricate a mount for one and also fit it to the airframe
in a way that will function well. It won't even fit on a SkyRanger for
example.
It adds another level of fabrication and fitting to be sure the turbo will
be happy.
Since it is more complex, it adds a few more concerns to flight...one must
be sure all systems are functioning correctly. Most engines require some
tweaking to achieve good performance. But as the complexity increases, the
number of variables increases also. Setting multiple carbs is more complex
than setting one for example.
Screwing up some of the tweaking shortens the life of such an engine. That
makes the high dollars go away faster!
Perhaps others have more detailed opinions.
Doug Koenigsberg
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A v. Lightening |
Jack,
Your post in question reminds me of someone discussing the pros and cons of
two women he had never met. Meeting the sister of each and then infering
their physical charactoristics and personalities based on that meeting is a
bit speculative! Noting out loud that one sister has wide hips and the other
broad shoulders therefore the unmet sisters should be similarly blessed, is
bound to be corrected by those who really do know them! The sharpness of the
correction will be directly related to the emotional investment of those who
know!
Is it true your sister's behind was used as the model for the front of the
new Mack Truck?
While I am just asking, it will be hard for you to not take it personally
....unless you have no sister or you find my question to be complimentary. I
would expect you to respond in a personal manner since it involves an
emotional investment. Hence the response of Pete and others.
Since I am a lover of irony, I did enjoy your personal attack on Pete for
taking it personally!
(which he denies that it was personal) And I am going to deny this little
post was personal (even tho we hope to be flying our Lightning in 3 weeks).
I enjoy a little rough and tumble on listserves. Cuts the boredom a bit.
Thanks for contributing a little excitment, Jack. :) Keep it up.
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 8/18/2006 4:20:39 PM Eastern Standard Time,
jackb911@yahoo.com writes:
Pete,
I feel like you just attacked me personally and openly for the post that I
left. It's great on these forums to have an openess that allows each to give
facts, varying opinions, and experiences. When you get personal with follow up
replies, I think that you have gone too far and it stifles the openess.
Please be more considerate.
I made what I felt were some very positive comments about the Lighting
including:
- Lower fuel costs
- Great looks
- Smooth Jabiru
- Faster build time
I don't take back the negatives - those are how I feel. I was honest and
clear in making the negatives comparing with the Esqual. I hope that the
Lightning succeeds. Sometime I hope to get a ride in one.
Bottom line, it is ok to disagree, just don't get personal.
Jack
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A v. Lightening |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols <sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
Doug, were you talking about my sisters? I think thats
very crude and rude of you to go off in a tangent
about someone you dont know like that! What nerve!
John
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<Kayberg@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Jack,
>
> Your post in question reminds me of someone
discussing the pros and cons of
> two women he had never met. Meeting the sister of
each and then infering
> their physical charactoristics and personalities
based on that meeting is a
> bit speculative! Noting out loud that one sister
has wide hips and the other
> broad shoulders therefore the unmet sisters should
be similarly blessed, is
> bound to be corrected by those who really do know
them! The sharpness of the
> correction will be directly related to the
emotional investment of those who
> know!
>
> Is it true your sister's behind was used as the
model for the front of the
> new Mack Truck?
>
> While I am just asking, it will be hard for you to
not take it personally
> ....unless you have no sister or you find my
question to be complimentary. I
> would expect you to respond in a personal manner
since it involves an
> emotional investment. Hence the response of Pete
and others.
>
> Since I am a lover of irony, I did enjoy your
personal attack on Pete for
> taking it personally!
> (which he denies that it was personal) And I am
going to deny this little
> post was personal (even tho we hope to be flying our
Lightning in 3 weeks).
>
> I enjoy a little rough and tumble on listserves.
Cuts the boredom a bit.
> Thanks for contributing a little excitment, Jack.
:) Keep it up.
>
> Doug Koenigsberg
>
>
>
>
>
> In a message dated 8/18/2006 4:20:39 PM Eastern
Standard Time,
> jackb911@yahoo.com writes:
>
> Pete,
>
> I feel like you just attacked me personally and
openly for the post that I
> left. It's great on these forums to have an openess
that allows each to give
> facts, varying opinions, and experiences. When you
get personal with follow up
> replies, I think that you have gone too far and it
stifles the openess.
> Please be more considerate.
>
> I made what I felt were some very positive comments
about the Lighting
> including:
>
> - Lower fuel costs
> - Great looks
> - Smooth Jabiru
> - Faster build time
>
> I don't take back the negatives - those are how I
feel. I was honest and
> clear in making the negatives comparing with the
Esqual. I hope that the
> Lightning succeeds. Sometime I hope to get a ride in
one.
>
> Bottom line, it is ok to disagree, just don't get
personal.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: missing parts |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols <sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
I just got my lightning kit but the crates were all
emty. Can you resend a complete kit to me again
please? hahaha just kidding
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<wb2ssj@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Nick, have you found the diagram for cutting out
the tail? Also did
> you re-order the rear central beam that I am
missing?
> I have made a list of the parts that are still
missing from the kit and
> hope it agrees with your notes.
>
> 1= control panel
> fairings for nose and mains
> canopy
> rear central beam half
> nose leg and fittings
> 4= angle incidence plates
> 2= flap brackets
> 3ft. hinge
> 56" choke cable
> 52" carb heat cable
> 52 " cabin heat cable
>
> TEX
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A v. Lightening |
Hey John, How do you know Doug doesn't know your sisters? He really gets
around.... and around..... and around. ;-)
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A v. Lightening |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Colin J. Kennedy" <cjk129@cox.net>
Do we have a telephone number for even one of the sisters? :-)
Colin K.
OK
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A v. Lightening |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: john nichols <sky2000diver@yahoo.com>
This is really hurting my feelings, and they assured
me they dont know any of you. Shaniqua may get around
but she already has 4 boyfriends and a husband. Shes
too busy for any of you guys! ! !
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<N1BZRich@aol.com> wrote:
> Hey John, How do you know Doug doesn't know your
sisters? He really gets
> around.... and around..... and around. ;-)
> Blue Skies,
> Buz
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| Subject: | transponder ant. |
Buz or anyone, how and where did you mount the antenna for the
transponder? Tex
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| Subject: | transponder ant. |
Just behind the baggage compartment on the inside of the fuselage. We use
the TXP antenna from Advanced Aircraft Electronics.
Pete
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 12:32 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: transponder ant.
Buz or anyone, how and where did you mount the antenna for the transponder?
Tex
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| Subject: | Next week and N17EF progress |
Buz,
Did you get me e-mail about Motels? In case, I have a reservation at the
Ramada Inn in Murphreesboro for Mon thru Thur. Rate is $44 & change ,
includes breakfast. The Knight's Inn next door is advertising $27.99 (I think,
from
their billboard driving up yesterday). But I heard some negative comments
about them.
I got in 3 flights yesterday (Fri) and abt 3 hours. Thirty three more before
I fly it home. Still have some cooling issues, Nick thinks those will go
away as it breaks in and the mineral oil is replaced. Meanwhile it flies great,
just have to watch temps.
Painters will have it next Thur and Fri to clean up some spots, so I'm back
at work those days. I had planned through Thur, but I'll let the painters
finish. I'm trying to get a project finished at the office. Then I'll be back
the following week.
My EFIS isn't in yet, should arrive Monday. Grand Rapids sent the Sport
model by mistake.
I could use your help learning how that system works.
First order of Business Monday will be to re-torque the heads and check
valve clearances. I thought the new engines had hydraulic lifters, but maybe you
check then anyhow. Then we can go fly. I'd like to get some airborne pix if
you're agreeable.
I'm sending this to the Lightning List so those interested will have an
update on N17EF progress. Boy, the List has got lively this week! For those new
to the list, N17EF is my new Lightning, 6-cylinder, Light Sport (so no gear
clean-up stuff). With Nick's first flights it has a total of 7 hours. After the
protype and the two dealer builds, mine is the first customer aircraft. We're
working of the bugs now, which should be finished by the end of next week.
They will be posting some pix on the Arion web site next week. If you can't
wait, e-mail me & I send a couple.
BTW, it really looks great.
Earl Ferguson
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A v. Lightening |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "deuskid" <empire.john@gmail.com>
vettin74(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> if anyone would like a play by play comparison between the lightning and a RV-6A
i would be mor ethan happy to share, i have flown more than 100 hours in the
lightning type aircraft and many hours in others including a intense flight
check of a local RV-6A...i know how they both fly and can give an opinion of
both with out speculation on how each may or may not perform.....
>
> nick
>
>
I would very much welcome 'a play by play comparison'....
btw, I have 3 sisters.... and they all sound like those being described in this
thread [Shocked]
[Laughing]
John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=55777#55777
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A v. Lightening |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "deuskid" <empire.john@gmail.com>
A related question [no, not on sisters... on -9As v. Lightnings]...
-9As can operate off of grass...
Any difficulty there for Lightnings?
thanks,
John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=55779#55779
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| Subject: | Re: Next week and N17EF progress |
Hi Earl,
I'm scheduled for the factory build assist the week of Thanksgiving,
but I would love to see some pictures of your airplane. We're trying
to work on a paint scheme so would like to see some pictures of your
airplane as there aren't many Lightnings out there yet to look at!
Thanks, Linda Mathias
----- Original Message -----
From: EAFerguson@aol.com
To: N1BZRich@aol.com ; Lightning-List@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, August 19, 2006 4:49 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Next week and N17EF progress
Buz,
Did you get me e-mail about Motels? In case, I have a reservation
at the Ramada Inn in Murphreesboro for Mon thru Thur. Rate is $44 &
change , includes breakfast. The Knight's Inn next door is advertising
$27.99 (I think, from their billboard driving up yesterday). But I heard
some negative comments about them.
I got in 3 flights yesterday (Fri) and abt 3 hours. Thirty three more
before I fly it home. Still have some cooling issues, Nick thinks those
will go away as it breaks in and the mineral oil is replaced. Meanwhile
it flies great, just have to watch temps.
Painters will have it next Thur and Fri to clean up some spots, so I'm
back at work those days. I had planned through Thur, but I'll let the
painters finish. I'm trying to get a project finished at the office.
Then I'll be back the following week.
My EFIS isn't in yet, should arrive Monday. Grand Rapids sent the
Sport model by mistake.
I could use your help learning how that system works.
First order of Business Monday will be to re-torque the heads and
check valve clearances. I thought the new engines had hydraulic lifters,
but maybe you check then anyhow. Then we can go fly. I'd like to get
some airborne pix if you're agreeable.
I'm sending this to the Lightning List so those interested will have
an update on N17EF progress. Boy, the List has got lively this week! For
those new to the list, N17EF is my new Lightning, 6-cylinder, Light
Sport (so no gear clean-up stuff). With Nick's first flights it has a
total of 7 hours. After the protype and the two dealer builds, mine is
the first customer aircraft. We're working of the bugs now, which should
be finished by the end of next week. They will be posting some pix on
the Arion web site next week. If you can't wait, e-mail me & I send a
couple.
BTW, it really looks great.
Earl Ferguson
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| Subject: | Lightning Pics N430GH |
Hey everybody,
I thought I'd post a few pics since as you all said, there are few
flying at this point. This is Greg Hobbs' plane. Somebody let me know if
the pics are working. I have to click on the attachments and download each
one seperately and can't just see it in the email. Thanks, Brian W.
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| Subject: | Re: transponder ant. |
Tex,
Well I was tempted to say that I just taped it to one of John's
sister's backsides and that it really seems to put out well in that location.
But
since you want a serious answer, it is on the left side of the fuselage behind
the baggage compartment . It is held on by velcro incase I needed to move
it, but all seems to be well. Communications antenna is on the right side in
the same location. Both are oriented vertically.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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