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1. 06:09 AM - RF-4X (Brian Whittingham)
2. 06:39 AM - Lightning speed mods (Brian Whittingham)
3. 06:53 AM - Re: Lightning speed mods (Charles Dewey)
4. 11:10 AM - Re: Lightning speed mods (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
5. 11:40 AM - Re: Lightning speed mods (Brian Whittingham)
6. 11:45 AM - Re: Lightning speed mods (Brian Whittingham)
7. 12:46 PM - Re: Lightning speed mods (Daniel Vandenberg)
8. 01:05 PM - Re: Lightning speed mods (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
9. 07:12 PM - Re: Lightning speed mods (Charles Dewey)
10. 07:28 PM - Lightning Production / Price Status (Pete)
11. 08:14 PM - Re: RF-4X (N1BZRich@aol.com)
12. 08:17 PM - Re: Lightning speed mods (tlhuffy@aol.com)
13. 08:39 PM - Re: Lightning speed mods (N1BZRich@aol.com)
14. 09:11 PM - Re: Lightning speed mods (ajhauter@yahoo.com)
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--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Brian Whittingham" <dashvii@hotmail.com>
Buzz and all else interested,
I was recently reading in International Air Power Review, Volume 19, page
164-173 of a proposed aircraft and mock-up for a variant of the F-4 Phantom.
The new jet would take on a recon role and be called the RF-4X. It was to
be utilized by Israel. The changes made to the airframe were interesting,
but performance was even more so.
Changes included a reshaped nose, bigger intakes, a water injection system,
conformal tanks to hold the water on the top rear of the fuselage, and of
course the associated recon equipment.
Performance was to be spectacular. The water injection would give 150
percent increase in engine thrust. It had a crusing speed of Mach 2.7 and a
top speed of Mach 3.2! The USAF was afraid to export such a plane as it
could be used as an interceptor for the SR-71. (it would've been a much
cheaper plane to maintain as well) Eventually the US pulled out and the
program died off.
This project reminds me of the Mig 25 Foxbat which was a high speed
fighter/interceptor. The performance is very close to the same, but I have
a feeling the F-4 platform would've been much more versatile and have much
better manueverability.
Do you know anything about this particular project Buzz? Just found that
article very interesting.
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| Subject: | Lightning speed mods |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Brian Whittingham" <dashvii@hotmail.com>
To All,
I'm about ready to formally submit a proposal for my graduate thesis. I
would like all of your help. At the facilities here in Shelbyville Pete and
Nick have agreed to help me modify and flight test the prototype with some
speed modifications. My proposal includes the use of flap and aileron gap
seals as well as fairings for the eight flap hinges. In my literature
review I have found very little actual data from a technical peer-reviewed
type of a source on the flight testing of this type of speed modifications.
T
here are some manufacturers such as Lo Presti and Knots 2 U that have
"claims" of anywhere between 1 percent and 20 percent increase in speed.
Now logically we should get an increase in speed, range, endurance, climb
rate, etc. The big question becomes exactly how much we'll get from doing
these improvements. We'll do a before and after test and all the data will
be reduced to fit the standard day. In this way we can tell what the average
speed gain will be and not just pick the day that would give us the best
results.
I have got a design for the shape of the hinge fairings and Lamont said that
he would help me to fashion them. All the previous data has been for a
Piper Cherokee using metal gap seals and everything was attached using
screws. My idea is that we won't use any metal pieces and that the hinge
fairings will be much smoother and can be actually bonded to the wing
surface.
If successful, and the results give us a good enough speed gain, I will
contact a few different places and see if I can get molds made up to offer
this as a kit. What I need to know is if there's any interest in this? I
was asked if there was any market in this type of modification by the
department chair. I argued that there was. How much would you be willing
to pay for something that we'll say for now will give you 6-8 mph faster
speeds. If we could end up getting an additional 10mph speed through this
and perhaps other future ideas, how much good would it do to bump up the
aircraft's speed to 200+ mph at altitude?
Hopefully I'm right and there's folks out there on this board that thinks a
200mph speed is a whole seperate class than the 100mph speeds. So is it
worth an extra speed and fuel savings at cruise? In my opinion the fuel
flow on this plane is superior to competition in this speed range, but would
be even more so if the speed was 10-15mph higher.
Please everybody let me know what you think! I'll be anxiously awaiting
your responses.
Brian Whittingham
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
Brian, I am building my Lightning right now and would
and would without doubt buy any product that would
make the plane faster. Charles Dewey
--- Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com> wrote:
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Brian
> Whittingham" <dashvii@hotmail.com>
>
> To All,
> I'm about ready to formally submit a proposal
> for my graduate thesis. I
> would like all of your help. At the facilities here
> in Shelbyville Pete and
> Nick have agreed to help me modify and flight test
> the prototype with some
> speed modifications. My proposal includes the use
> of flap and aileron gap
> seals as well as fairings for the eight flap hinges.
> In my literature
> review I have found very little actual data from a
> technical peer-reviewed
> type of a source on the flight testing of this type
> of speed modifications.
> T
>
> here are some manufacturers such as Lo Presti and
> Knots 2 U that have
> "claims" of anywhere between 1 percent and 20
> percent increase in speed.
> Now logically we should get an increase in speed,
> range, endurance, climb
> rate, etc. The big question becomes exactly how
> much we'll get from doing
> these improvements. We'll do a before and after
> test and all the data will
> be reduced to fit the standard day. In this way we
> can tell what the average
> speed gain will be and not just pick the day that
> would give us the best
> results.
>
> I have got a design for the shape of the hinge
> fairings and Lamont said that
> he would help me to fashion them. All the previous
> data has been for a
> Piper Cherokee using metal gap seals and everything
> was attached using
> screws. My idea is that we won't use any metal
> pieces and that the hinge
> fairings will be much smoother and can be actually
> bonded to the wing
> surface.
>
> If successful, and the results give us a good enough
> speed gain, I will
> contact a few different places and see if I can get
> molds made up to offer
> this as a kit. What I need to know is if there's
> any interest in this? I
> was asked if there was any market in this type of
> modification by the
> department chair. I argued that there was. How
> much would you be willing
> to pay for something that we'll say for now will
> give you 6-8 mph faster
> speeds. If we could end up getting an additional
> 10mph speed through this
> and perhaps other future ideas, how much good would
> it do to bump up the
> aircraft's speed to 200+ mph at altitude?
>
> Hopefully I'm right and there's folks out there on
> this board that thinks a
> 200mph speed is a whole seperate class than the
> 100mph speeds. So is it
> worth an extra speed and fuel savings at cruise? In
> my opinion the fuel
> flow on this plane is superior to competition in
> this speed range, but would
> be even more so if the speed was 10-15mph higher.
>
> Please everybody let me know what you think! I'll
> be anxiously awaiting
> your responses.
>
> Brian Whittingham
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
Brian,
I trust you have carefully reviewed Kent Paser's book "Speed with Economy;
Experimental aircraft performance improment"
He did some careful testing and was able to get 64 mph increase in top speed
over the stock Mustang II !!
Doug Koenigsberg
In a message dated 10/5/2006 9:40:26 AM Eastern Standard Time,
dashvii@hotmail.com writes:
To All,
I'm about ready to formally submit a proposal for my graduate thesis. I
would like all of your help. At the facilities here in Shelbyville Pete and
Nick have agreed to help me modify and flight test the prototype with some
speed modifications. My proposal includes the use of flap and aileron gap
seals as well as fairings for the eight flap hinges. In my literature
review I have found very little actual data from a technical peer-reviewed
type of a source on the flight testing of this type of speed modifications.
T
here are some manufacturers such as Lo Presti and Knots 2 U that have
"claims" of anywhere between 1 percent and 20 percent increase in speed.
Now logically we should get an increase in speed, range, endurance, climb
rate, etc. The big question becomes exactly how much we'll get from doing
these improvements. We'll do a before and after test and all the data will
be reduced to fit the standard day. In this way we can tell what the average
speed gain will be and not just pick the day that would give us the best
results.
I have got a design for the shape of the hinge fairings and Lamont said that
he would help me to fashion them. All the previous data has been for a
Piper Cherokee using metal gap seals and everything was attached using
screws. My idea is that we won't use any metal pieces and that the hinge
fairings will be much smoother and can be actually bonded to the wing
surface.
If successful, and the results give us a good enough speed gain, I will
contact a few different places and see if I can get molds made up to offer
this as a kit. What I need to know is if there's any interest in this? I
was asked if there was any market in this type of modification by the
department chair. I argued that there was. How much would you be willing
to pay for something that we'll say for now will give you 6-8 mph faster
speeds. If we could end up getting an additional 10mph speed through this
and perhaps other future ideas, how much good would it do to bump up the
aircraft's speed to 200+ mph at altitude?
Hopefully I'm right and there's folks out there on this board that thinks a
200mph speed is a whole seperate class than the 100mph speeds. So is it
worth an extra speed and fuel savings at cruise? In my opinion the fuel
flow on this plane is superior to competition in this speed range, but would
be even more so if the speed was 10-15mph higher.
Please everybody let me know what you think! I'll be anxiously awaiting
your responses.
Brian Whittingham
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Brian Whittingham" <dashvii@hotmail.com>
Doug,
I haven't run across that book, but I'm early on in my research. I will
certainly try and find a copy of it. A 63 mph increase in speed is
phenomonal! I have probed the old NACA report database and have searched
the AIAA reports. Most of what I have found is a series that HC Smith has
written about for AIAA.
I assume that you are interested in speed mods since you mentioned this
book? Thanks for the heads up. Brian W.
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Brian Whittingham" <dashvii@hotmail.com>
Buzz,
Did you ever get gap seals put on your Esqual? What kind of material
were you going to try for the gap seals? I went over to the maintenance
shop at Shelbyville today to look at a Cherokee with all of the Knots 2 U
speed mods. The pilot couldn't give me a before and after idea because
those were put on and STC'd before he bought the plane. He did tell me that
from the book he was supposed to get 800 fpm climbs and got about 1200-1400
normally. Just wondering if you ever got anything on and tested since I
talked with you last in Shelbyville. Thanks, Brian W.
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
Paser's book is still available from Mustang Aeronautics, the current purveyor
of the Mustang II:
http://www.mustangaero.com/Store/ShoppingCart/index.htm
Dan
Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com> wrote: --> Lightning-List message posted
by: "Brian Whittingham"
Doug,
I haven't run across that book, but I'm early on in my research. I will
certainly try and find a copy of it. A 63 mph increase in speed is
phenomonal! I have probed the old NACA report database and have searched
the AIAA reports. Most of what I have found is a series that HC Smith has
written about for AIAA.
I assume that you are interested in speed mods since you mentioned this
book? Thanks for the heads up. Brian W.
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias@verizon.net>
Brian,
I am scheduled to start building in late Nov and would be interested in
the speed mods.
Linda Mathias
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Whittingham" <dashvii@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:39 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning speed mods
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Brian Whittingham"
> <dashvii@hotmail.com>
>
> To All,
> I'm about ready to formally submit a proposal for my graduate thesis.
> I would like all of your help. At the facilities here in Shelbyville Pete
> and Nick have agreed to help me modify and flight test the prototype with
> some speed modifications. My proposal includes the use of flap and
> aileron gap seals as well as fairings for the eight flap hinges. In my
> literature review I have found very little actual data from a technical
> peer-reviewed type of a source on the flight testing of this type of speed
> modifications. T
>
> here are some manufacturers such as Lo Presti and Knots 2 U that have
> "claims" of anywhere between 1 percent and 20 percent increase in speed.
> Now logically we should get an increase in speed, range, endurance, climb
> rate, etc. The big question becomes exactly how much we'll get from doing
> these improvements. We'll do a before and after test and all the data
> will be reduced to fit the standard day. In this way we can tell what the
> average speed gain will be and not just pick the day that would give us
> the best results.
>
> I have got a design for the shape of the hinge fairings and Lamont said
> that he would help me to fashion them. All the previous data has been for
> a Piper Cherokee using metal gap seals and everything was attached using
> screws. My idea is that we won't use any metal pieces and that the hinge
> fairings will be much smoother and can be actually bonded to the wing
> surface.
>
> If successful, and the results give us a good enough speed gain, I will
> contact a few different places and see if I can get molds made up to offer
> this as a kit. What I need to know is if there's any interest in this? I
> was asked if there was any market in this type of modification by the
> department chair. I argued that there was. How much would you be willing
> to pay for something that we'll say for now will give you 6-8 mph faster
> speeds. If we could end up getting an additional 10mph speed through this
> and perhaps other future ideas, how much good would it do to bump up the
> aircraft's speed to 200+ mph at altitude?
>
> Hopefully I'm right and there's folks out there on this board that thinks
> a 200mph speed is a whole seperate class than the 100mph speeds. So is it
> worth an extra speed and fuel savings at cruise? In my opinion the fuel
> flow on this plane is superior to competition in this speed range, but
> would be even more so if the speed was 10-15mph higher.
>
> Please everybody let me know what you think! I'll be anxiously awaiting
> your responses.
>
> Brian Whittingham
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
Brian, This is Charles Dewey again and I will
undoubtedly buy any product that will make the
Lightning faster. My plane will be finished in a few
weeks, so I trust that the modifications you are
referring to can be added after the plane is already
built. Price would not prevent me from adding 10+
mph-it would be well worth it and make the Lightning
even more so one of the best planes for the money in
all general aviation and experimental aircraft ...
--- JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS
<lbmathias@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: "JOSEPH
> MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias@verizon.net>
>
> Brian,
>
> I am scheduled to start building in late Nov and
> would be interested in
> the speed mods.
>
>
> Linda Mathias
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Whittingham" <dashvii@hotmail.com>
> To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:39 AM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning speed mods
>
>
> > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Brian
> Whittingham"
> > <dashvii@hotmail.com>
> >
> > To All,
> > I'm about ready to formally submit a proposal
> for my graduate thesis.
> > I would like all of your help. At the facilities
> here in Shelbyville Pete
> > and Nick have agreed to help me modify and flight
> test the prototype with
> > some speed modifications. My proposal includes
> the use of flap and
> > aileron gap seals as well as fairings for the
> eight flap hinges. In my
> > literature review I have found very little actual
> data from a technical
> > peer-reviewed type of a source on the flight
> testing of this type of speed
> > modifications. T
> >
> > here are some manufacturers such as Lo Presti and
> Knots 2 U that have
> > "claims" of anywhere between 1 percent and 20
> percent increase in speed.
> > Now logically we should get an increase in speed,
> range, endurance, climb
> > rate, etc. The big question becomes exactly how
> much we'll get from doing
> > these improvements. We'll do a before and after
> test and all the data
> > will be reduced to fit the standard day. In this
> way we can tell what the
> > average speed gain will be and not just pick the
> day that would give us
> > the best results.
> >
> > I have got a design for the shape of the hinge
> fairings and Lamont said
> > that he would help me to fashion them. All the
> previous data has been for
> > a Piper Cherokee using metal gap seals and
> everything was attached using
> > screws. My idea is that we won't use any metal
> pieces and that the hinge
> > fairings will be much smoother and can be actually
> bonded to the wing
> > surface.
> >
> > If successful, and the results give us a good
> enough speed gain, I will
> > contact a few different places and see if I can
> get molds made up to offer
> > this as a kit. What I need to know is if there's
> any interest in this? I
> > was asked if there was any market in this type of
> modification by the
> > department chair. I argued that there was. How
> much would you be willing
> > to pay for something that we'll say for now will
> give you 6-8 mph faster
> > speeds. If we could end up getting an additional
> 10mph speed through this
> > and perhaps other future ideas, how much good
> would it do to bump up the
> > aircraft's speed to 200+ mph at altitude?
> >
> > Hopefully I'm right and there's folks out there on
> this board that thinks
> > a 200mph speed is a whole seperate class than the
> 100mph speeds. So is it
> > worth an extra speed and fuel savings at cruise?
> In my opinion the fuel
> > flow on this plane is superior to competition in
> this speed range, but
> > would be even more so if the speed was 10-15mph
> higher.
> >
> > Please everybody let me know what you think! I'll
> be anxiously awaiting
> > your responses.
> >
> > Brian Whittingham
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> browse
> Subscriptions page,
> FAQ,
> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
>
> Web Forums!
>
>
> Admin.
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Lightning Production / Price Status |
--> Lightning-List message posted by: "Pete" <pete@flylightning.net>
Hello Lightning Enthusiasts,
Just wanted to let you know that production is nearly sold out through the
end of 2006. We are overwhelmed and very gratified to find such great
acceptance of the Lightning. Several more examples will be flying soon.
I'm looking for a report from Green Landings soon as they have a final
inspection scheduled!
We are busy trying to improve the kit presentation and the quality of the
kit parts. This is a big job and Nick is hard at it. We plan several
improvements in 2007 to the parts and pieces of the kit.
We are, however, finding that our costs are higher than we initially
expected. We will be raising the price on the basic Lightning kit starting
with January 2007 production. Kit price will be $33,900.00. Some of the
improvements will be powder coated metal parts, newly designed more complete
assemblies, and other enhancements that will help cut the build time even
further.
There are two kits left in December's production available at the current
kit price. These kit parts will be completed at the end of December and be
available for January delivery.
That's all for now. Call if you have questions. 931-680-1781.
Pete Krotje
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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Hi Brian,
I have not heard of this specific program, but it certainly sounds
reasonable. The Israelies made several nice mods to their Phantoms and I am sure
they had other ideas on the drawing boards. The RF-4 was faster than the
fighter version because it was cleaner. The
F-4C was the fastest (and oldest) of all the Phantom models that I flew and
I remember seeing Mach 2.32 on one ride. Mach 2.2 was achievable on most
mach runs. The much higher drag of the later F-4E with the slats had a tough
time getting just over Mach 2. The key for the speed of the Phantom was the
variable intake ramps. If the ramps did not program properly to keep the sonic
air out of the intake you would get really big (and multiple) compressor
stalls, sometimes resulting in a complete flame out.
As long as I am remembering the past, once over Thailand (when much
younger and not so wise) while on a functional test flight due to a double
engine change, I decided to see just how high I could get the F-4D to go. Without
getting into specific climb techniques I finally managed to get to 63,000
feet, shortly followed by a double engine flame out. Had to glide to much
lower altitude (and thicker air) before I could get one to relight. After the
fact I found out that Air Force regulations required a full pressure suit for
flights over 50,000. I had on my cotton camo flight suit. And had I lost
cockpit pressure I would have been toast - or at least boiled my blood. Crazy
but true.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
Brian I'm a dealer in the Midwest and this seems very promising hope you can work
with Nick Tom
-----Original Message-----
From: cdewey6969@yahoo.com
Sent: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 9:11 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning speed mods
--> Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
Brian, This is Charles Dewey again and I will
undoubtedly buy any product that will make the
Lightning faster. My plane will be finished in a few
weeks, so I trust that the modifications you are
referring to can be added after the plane is already
built. Price would not prevent me from adding 10+
mph-it would be well worth it and make the Lightning
even more so one of the best planes for the money in
all general aviation and experimental aircraft ...
--- JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS
<lbmathias@verizon.net> wrote:
> --> Lightning-List message posted by: "JOSEPH
> MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias@verizon.net>
>
> Brian,
>
> I am scheduled to start building in late Nov and
> would be interested in
> the speed mods.
>
>
> Linda Mathias
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Whittingham" <dashvii@hotmail.com>
> To: <lightning-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, October 05, 2006 9:39 AM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning speed mods
>
>
> > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "Brian
> Whittingham"
> > <dashvii@hotmail.com>
> >
> > To All,
> > I'm about ready to formally submit a proposal
> for my graduate thesis.
> > I would like all of your help. At the facilities
> here in Shelbyville Pete
> > and Nick have agreed to help me modify and flight
> test the prototype with
> > some speed modifications. My proposal includes
> the use of flap and
> > aileron gap seals as well as fairings for the
> eight flap hinges. In my
> > literature review I have found very little actual
> data from a technical
> > peer-reviewed type of a source on the flight
> testing of this type of speed
> > modifications. T
> >
> > here are some manufacturers such as Lo Presti and
> Knots 2 U that have
> > "claims" of anywhere between 1 percent and 20
> percent increase in speed.
> > Now logically we should get an increase in speed,
> range, endurance, climb
> > rate, etc. The big question becomes exactly how
> much we'll get from doing
> > these improvements. We'll do a before and after
> test and all the data
> > will be reduced to fit the standard day. In this
> way we can tell what the
> > average speed gain will be and not just pick the
> day that would give us
> > the best results.
> >
> > I have got a design for the shape of the hinge
> fairings and Lamont said
> > that he would help me to fashion them. All the
> previous data has been for
> > a Piper Cherokee using metal gap seals and
> everything was attached using
> > screws. My idea is that we won't use any metal
> pieces and that the hinge
> > fairings will be much smoother and can be actually
> bonded to the wing
> > surface.
> >
> > If successful, and the results give us a good
> enough speed gain, I will
> > contact a few different places and see if I can
> get molds made up to offer
> > this as a kit. What I need to know is if there's
> any interest in this? I
> > was asked if there was any market in this type of
> modification by the
> > department chair. I argued that there was. How
> much would you be willing
> > to pay for something that we'll say for now will
> give you 6-8 mph faster
> > speeds. If we could end up getting an additional
> 10mph speed through this
> > and perhaps other future ideas, how much good
> would it do to bump up the
> > aircraft's speed to 200+ mph at altitude?
> >
> > Hopefully I'm right and there's folks out there on
> this board that thinks
> > a 200mph speed is a whole seperate class than the
> 100mph speeds. So is it
> > worth an extra speed and fuel savings at cruise?
> In my opinion the fuel
> > flow on this plane is superior to competition in
> this speed range, but
> > would be even more so if the speed was 10-15mph
> higher.
> >
> > Please everybody let me know what you think! I'll
> be anxiously awaiting
> > your responses.
> >
> > Brian Whittingham
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
In a message dated 10/5/2006 2:46:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dashvii@hotmail.com writes:
Buzz,
Did you ever get gap seals put on your Esqual? What kind of material
were you going to try for the gap seals?
Brian,
I had to put this project on the back burner. I just have too much
going on right now. However, I did find some .010 Duralar (kind of like mylar
but opaque) that is almost 4 inches wide. I think I had to buy the entire
worlds supply as it came in a 750 foot roll. I had promised Nick enough to do
the prototype Lightning, but since I am too buys to work this project, you
guys are welcome to the supply of Duralar that I have so that you can do the
experiments. We certainly have enough to do quite a few Lightnings and Esquals.
I will bring it to Shelbyville the next time I get out that way. Will
probably be sometime in early November.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning speed mods |
Can anyone shed the light on the design distinction between the
lightning and esqual? Just curious if the esqual was the starting
point and basic design enhancements were made from that design?
much obliged,
aj
On Oct 5, 2006, at 11:37 PM, N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 10/5/2006 2:46:32 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> dashvii@hotmail.com writes:
> Buzz,
> Did you ever get gap seals put on your Esqual? What kind of
> material
> were you going to try for the gap seals?
> Brian,
> I had to put this project on the back burner. I just have too
> much going on right now. However, I did find some .010 Duralar
> (kind of like mylar but opaque) that is almost 4 inches wide. I
> think I had to buy the entire worlds supply as it came in a 750
> foot roll. I had promised Nick enough to do the prototype
> Lightning, but since I am too buys to work this project, you guys
> are welcome to the supply of Duralar that I have so that you can do
> the experiments. We certainly have enough to do quite a few
> Lightnings and Esquals. I will bring it to Shelbyville the next
> time I get out that way. Will probably be sometime in early November.
> Blue Skies,
> Buz
>
>
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