---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/15/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:25 AM - Re: Lightning projects - updates (Dennis Borchardt) 2. 05:03 AM - Re: information on the Lightning (pequeajim) 3. 07:38 AM - Re: information on the Lightning (Kayberg@aol.com) 4. 07:54 AM - Re: information on the Lightning (Pete) 5. 11:12 AM - Re: information on the Lightning (IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM) 6. 12:02 PM - Up date on lightning progress for all (nick otterback) 7. 01:49 PM - Re: Lightning projects - updates (Laurie Hoffman) 8. 02:06 PM - Re: Lightning projects - updates (Fry) 9. 05:43 PM - Re: information on the Lightning (pequeajim) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:25:11 AM PST US From: "Dennis Borchardt" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning projects - updates ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:03:57 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: information on the Lightning From: "pequeajim" I'm going to give those guys a call today and try to setup a weekend visit if at all possible. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=87721#87721 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:02 AM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: information on the Lightning Jim, Call Ryan at Green Landings.....304-754-6010. We have a kit coming that should be delivered in the next month. We were going to build it ourselves, but could be pursuaded with money!!!! Doug In a message dated 1/14/2007 9:33:40 PM Eastern Standard Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: Jim, I am sure the Lightning guys will answer your questions when they get back from Sebring and get caught up, but until then here are my thoughts on your questions: - The specs say a 17:1 glide ratio with a wing of 90 sq ft? How is this possible? The CT has a large wing and a 13:1 GR? Different airfoil, less drag, less weight. Probably a combination of all of these. When you fly one you will sometimes wish you had speed brakes. - Take off roll of 310ft? Yep, depending on the prop and whether you build your Lightning as light sport compliant, but probably not at gross weight on a hot day. That would be closer to 500 ft. - The price list has an option for dual brakes. Doesn=99t the aircraft come with brakes as standard equip? The aircraft comes with toe brakes on the pilot side as standard. Dual brakes would include brakes on the co-pilot side as well. - Is the nose wheel castering or steerable? Castering - 30 degrees each side of center. - What is the delivery schedule at this point? Probably depends on how many they sold at Sebring, but call them next week for the real answer. Jim, hope this helps. The Lightning is a super airplane if you are looking to get in the air quickly and at an economical cost. It is a dream to fly . Blue Skies, Buz ://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:02 AM PST US From: "Pete" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: information on the Lightning Hello Jim, Some simple answers: 17:1 comes from having a very clean airframe with least amount of drag as possible. Takeoff can be less than 310 if we really work at it. The airplane kit comes with hydraulic brakes on the pilot's side. Dual brakes add brakes on the copilot side as well. It has a castering nose wheel. Delivery for an order today would be March Let me know if you need more info. Pete Krotje Arion Aircraft, LLC _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2007 7:00 PM Subject: Lightning-List: information on the Lightning I saw the Lightning at Sebring and am very interested in the possibilities of this aircraft. The design seems to meet everything that I am looking for in a small fast glass airplane. I am confused about some of the specifications though and maybe some of you who have built and flown the aircraft and help me. - The specs say a 17:1 glide ratio with a wing of 90 sq ft? How is this possible? The CT has a large wing and a 13:1 GR? - Take off roll of 310ft? - The price list has an option for dual brakes. Doesn't the aircraft come with brakes as standard equip? - Is the nose wheel castering or steerable? - What is the delivery schedule at this point? Thanks for any feedback you all can give. Jim! ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:17 AM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: information on the Lightning Hey Pete: Were you at the Sport Pilot expo? I saw the lightening there, but did not have time to stay and ask for a demo ride. I did put a request on the Internet. I liked what I saw, and am seriously considering ordering a kit. You said the kit ordered now would come in March, does that include the Jabiru engine? I heard that their deliveries are backed up to October at present. How much deposit is required to put a kit on order? Lynn Nelsen ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:02:33 PM PST US From: nick otterback Subject: Lightning-List: Up date on lightning progress for all The lightning is progressing well. As with anything new we are trying to keep up with the growth and intrest in this aircraft. Many things including finished build and Flight manuals, as well as improved kit components, are on the top of the list of things to do. We currently are trying to deliver 4 kits a month although its more like 3, mosly due to supply from are OEM's and a lillte learning curve too. There are some 28 kits out there with 10 to deliver yet...5 are flying with several awaitng there inspections. The portotype is still being flown on a regular basis and makes apperances at many shows until we get are Demo flying. the demo aircraft is being built and should be off to paint at the end of this week and flying in march. The fiberglass shop that is building the major componenets is always serching for new cores and materials to get as much usefull load as we can out of the plane. The last ones out are under 800lbs empty for a very well equiped aircraft. 3 of the kits deliverd have gone to australia with 2 more this week and 3 more at the end of january. So we have been very overwhelmed here and are just trying to put things in a order we can deal with. There will be 5 confirmed Lightnings for the SUN N FUN show of which 3 will be customer built aircraft. I am sorry that we haven't updated the web site and will try to this week, with a few pics of the newly finished planes, our build facility, and links to the build and flight manuals. Thank you very much for all of the intrest and we hope to make big strides this year with the Lightning. Nick Otterback Production Manager Arion Aircraft LLC Daniel Vandenberg wrote: Laurie... That's good to hear. I'm fighting the "Lightning vs. RV-9A" battle in my head. This has been discussed before on this list. The 5100 would be a great engine for the 9. It may be for the Lightning too if the factory approves in the future. By the way...to the factory...for those of us watching the Lightning development, more frequent updates on the website would be helpful. As far as I can tell the only update to the website (other than adding a computerized digital paint job to the prototype flying picture on the homepage) since August has been to the price :-( Why not start a section on the home page that give weekly or monthly updates something like the following: 1. Number of kits paid for... 2. Number of kits delivered to customers (either to the builders center or at home) 3. Number of kits under construction at the factory assistance center 4. Number of kits under construction at customers's homes/shops 5. Number of kits completed and flown. This sort of information, combined with more frequent photo updates of customer's projects and prototype improvements, would help us potential customers to feel confident that the Lightning is in the early stages of a long and successful production run. Dan Hi All, The Jabiru 8cyl is currently out of production due the overwhelming demand for the 4 and 6 cyl engines. The factory said that there have been no technical issues with the 180hp engine. They just cant supply enough of the others at this stage with current orders not being able to be met till sept/Oct. They are increasing production capacity and will be offering the 180hp engine again as soon as they begin to catch up with the 4s and 6s. Laurie Sydney --- Daniel Vandenberg wrote: > Somebody brought up the 8-cyl Jabiru 5100. You guys > in Tenn must have inside knowledge on this issue. > My understanding was that the factory in Australia > discontinued the engine because of problems with > early production engines...combined with need for > more production capacity for the 3300. > > What were the problems with the 5100? > > What are it's chances of re-entering production? > > Thanks... > > Dan > > > --------------------------------- > No need to miss a message. Get email on-the-go > with Yahoo! Mail for Mobile. Get started. We won't tell. Get more on shows you hate to --------------------------------- The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. --------------------------------- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:49:42 PM PST US From: Laurie Hoffman Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning projects - updates Hi Dennis, You are prebably already aware that there is no text or attachment coming through with your last couple of emails. Regards Laurie Hoffman --- Dennis Borchardt wrote: > > > Get your own web address. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:06:03 PM PST US From: Fry Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning projects - updates Yes, I can confirm that too. Bill Fry Laurie Hoffman wrote: > >Hi Dennis, >You are prebably already aware that there is no text >or attachment coming through with your last couple of >emails. >Regards >Laurie Hoffman > >--- Dennis Borchardt >wrote: > > > >> >> >> > > > >Get your own web address. >http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/domains/?p=BESTDEAL > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:39 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: information on the Lightning From: "pequeajim" Thanks Peter. I am going to try to arracnge for a visit to your location by next month. I would like to get a look at the operation and talk to your person that heads up the builder assist program. Jim! 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