---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/27/07: 16 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:46 AM - Re: need a video (Brian Whittingham) 2. 01:21 PM - WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? (pequeajim) 3. 06:49 PM - Flying off the hours (pequeajim) 4. 07:07 PM - Re: Flying off the hours (Brian Whittingham) 5. 07:17 PM - Re: Flying off the hours (pequeajim) 6. 07:38 PM - Re: Flying off the hours (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 7. 07:44 PM - Re: Flying off the hours (pequeajim) 8. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Flying off the hours (Charles Dewey) 9. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Flying off the hours (Charles Dewey) 10. 08:02 PM - Re: Re: Flying off the hours (Charles Dewey) 11. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: Flying off the hours (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 12. 08:18 PM - Re: Re: Flying off the hours (Jim Langley) 13. 08:20 PM - Re: Nick! (Charles Dewey) 14. 10:04 PM - Re: Re: Flying off the hours (Peter and Jan Disher) 15. 10:43 PM - Re: Flying off the hours (steve) 16. 11:00 PM - Re: Re: Flying off the hours (Peter and Jan Disher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:36 AM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: need a video Buz and Nick, I think what you said would be great. I got a mini DVR camera and could ride along for the shots. I was thinking something along the lines of what you said, plus maybe some filming from behind and in steep turns, and perhaps a slow cross underneath from one side to the other. Got a few idea. Let me know when you get out and want to set up to do the flying video. I can be out at the airport in 30 minutes. Phone is (931) 455-6874. Brian W. From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: need a video Nick, The next time I am out there (end of next week), I would be happy to be the video platform if you want to get some action shots (I will fly the video-grapher in 31BZ). Besides the normal close formation that you and I normally fly, I can get in close trail and film you flying whatever maneuvers you want filmed. It might also be good to get some fingertip formation video of two Lightnings in flight - video from the ground with you and I flying Lightnings on a low pass down the runway. Buz _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:02 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? From: "pequeajim" I was wondering when equipping a Lightning for IFR, which brand/model heated pitot tube is typically installed? Are there any issues with the wing already being closed? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90883#90883 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:37 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Flying off the hours From: "pequeajim" Another thing I was wondering about... If I complete the Lightning and have it inspected for air worthyness at a dealer. Can the aircraft be ferried to my home airport to fly off the hours? Or when I start flying off the hours, can I change my home base to another airport within the 50 mile radius while flying off the hours? The dealer is about 70 miles from my home airport, however, there is another airport inbetween that is Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90939#90939 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:26 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Flying off the hours I don't know if you can go more than 50 miles, but John Davis took his home with about 5 hours I think. Now his is really close by, so it may be within 30 miles. Good question though, that I like to know. Brian W. _________________________________________________________________ Get live scores and news about your team: Add the Live.com Football Page http://www.live.com/?addtemplate=football ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:50 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours From: "pequeajim" There is an airport that is Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90944#90944 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:06 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Flying off the hours Jim, The answer to your question is, "It all depends". It really depends on the FAA office or person that you are dealing with. For example, the DAR that does the inspections in SYI is an EAA member and aircraft builder himself. He has done many aircraft inspections for the SYI gang (Jabirus, Esquals, Lightnings and others) and he certainly feels comfortable with the work that is coming out of that shop. Therefore, he would probably be more inclined to give his "stamp of approval" on something like a test area that had a different home base than the one the aircraft made the initial flight from. As far as ferry permits, again it would depend on the FAA office you were working with, but a ferry permit might be harder to get approved unless you were much closer to completing your 40 hours. If you chose to trailer your completed airplane home, then you would work with your FAA office in you home area to get a specific test area approved there. They would also be who you go to when you put in for your "Repairman's Certificate". Sorry I can't be more specific. Buz ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:35 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours From: "pequeajim" DOes the lightning require 50 hours or 25? I'm asking that because I'm not sure if the 3300 is viewed as a certified engine by the FAA and therefor does not require the additional hours like a kit built engine? (please excuse my ignorance) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90951#90951 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:03 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours I thought it was 40 hours --- pequeajim wrote: > > > DOes the lightning require 50 hours or 25? I'm > asking that because I'm not sure if the 3300 is > viewed as a certified engine by the FAA and therefor > does not require the additional hours like a kit > built engine? > > (please excuse my ignorance) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90951#90951 > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail Q&A for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=list&sid=396546091 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:02:03 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours I thought it was 40 hours --- pequeajim wrote: > > > DOes the lightning require 50 hours or 25? I'm > asking that because I'm not sure if the 3300 is > viewed as a certified engine by the FAA and therefor > does not require the additional hours like a kit > built engine? > > (please excuse my ignorance) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90951#90951 > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:02:03 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours I thought it was 40 hours --- pequeajim wrote: > > > DOes the lightning require 50 hours or 25? I'm > asking that because I'm not sure if the 3300 is > viewed as a certified engine by the FAA and therefor > does not require the additional hours like a kit > built engine? > > (please excuse my ignorance) > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90951#90951 > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at www.Answers.yahoo.com. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:49 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours In a message dated 1/27/2007 10:46:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pequeajim@gmail.com writes: DOes the lightning require 50 hours or 25? Boy, Jim, you really must be looking at some old regulations. Based on current regulations, the Lightning will require 40 hours because the engine is not certified (part 23???) in the US. If you had a Lycoming or Continental on board (US engines) it would be 25 hours. In the old days (when I built my Pitts) it was 50 hours no matter what. You will be surprised how quickly the time goes by IF you really do a full test profile for your airplane. Many do not. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:06 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours Yeah, that was my bad. I don't know why I had 50 stuck in my head! _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 27, 2007 11:13 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours In a message dated 1/27/2007 10:46:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pequeajim@gmail.com writes: DOes the lightning require 50 hours or 25? Boy, Jim, you really must be looking at some old regulations. Based on current regulations, the Lightning will require 40 hours because the engine is not certified (part 23???) in the US. If you had a Lycoming or Continental on board (US engines) it would be 25 hours. In the old days (when I built my Pitts) it was 50 hours no matter what. You will be surprised how quickly the time goes by IF you really do a full test profile for your airplane. Many do not. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:20:11 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Nick! Nick- Cool new pictire on the main page of the site. However, I like the last picture better you put up when you had the heading 'Lightning Fast'. The plane looked bigger and sleeker from that angle. The Photo Pro Guy --- pequeajim wrote: > > > Another thing I was wondering about... > > If I complete the Lightning and have it inspected > for air worthyness at a dealer. Can the aircraft be > ferried to my home airport to fly off the hours? Or > when I start flying off the hours, can I change my > home base to another airport within the 50 mile > radius while flying off the hours? > > The dealer is about 70 miles from my home airport, > however, there is another airport inbetween that is > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90939#90939 > > > > > > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > Never miss an email again! Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:04:50 PM PST US From: "Peter and Jan Disher" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours Hi Buz and Nick, This is Peter Disher - Sydney Australia. You mentioned Buz, a "Full test profoil" when flying off ones hours. Could I ask, In my ignorance, Is this a written procudure for one to follow ? If so and if aviable., could I get a copy? or let me know where I could. It would certainly be most helpfull when my turn arrives. ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours In a message dated 1/27/2007 10:46:27 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pequeajim@gmail.com writes: DOes the lightning require 50 hours or 25? Boy, Jim, you really must be looking at some old regulations. Based on current regulations, the Lightning will require 40 hours because the engine is not certified (part 23???) in the US. If you had a Lycoming or Continental on board (US engines) it would be 25 hours. In the old days (when I built my Pitts) it was 50 hours no matter what. You will be surprised how quickly the time goes by IF you really do a full test profile for your airplane. Many do not. Blue Skies, Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 27/01/2007 5:02 PM ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:43:03 PM PST US From: "steve" Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours Peter, I have forwarded to you via email all the Word attachments that Buzz kindly provided some time ago (thanks Buzz). Whilst I'm here, I'm looking for contact info for the builders of two Lightning's that are being built in Perth, Australia currently. Anyone on those on the list? Regards, Steve Vojkovic Perth, Australia _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter and Jan Disher Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:04 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours Hi Buz and Nick, This is Peter Disher - Sydney Australia. You mentioned Buz, a "Full test profoil" when flying off ones hours. Could I ask, In my ignorance, Is this a written procudure for one to follow ? If so and if aviable., could I get a copy? or let me know where I could. It would certainly be most helpfull when my turn arrives. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:53 PM PST US From: "Peter and Jan Disher" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours Hi Steve, Many thanks with what you have sent, I'm not to sure who the other builders are in Perth your best to call Dennis Borchardt in SA. I live in the North Coast NSW and expecting my kit around end of FEB. Its taken a while to get so you should get your order in Steve and get cracking . Regards Pete Disher Hallidays Point Aust. 02 6559 2599 ----- Original Message ----- From: steve To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours Peter, I have forwarded to you via email all the Word attachments that Buzz kindly provided some time ago (thanks Buzz). Whilst I'm here, I'm looking for contact info for the builders of two Lightning's that are being built in Perth, Australia currently. Anyone on those on the list? Regards, Steve Vojkovic Perth, Australia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Peter and Jan Disher Sent: Sunday, January 28, 2007 3:04 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Flying off the hours Hi Buz and Nick, This is Peter Disher - Sydney Australia. You mentioned Buz, a "Full test profoil" when flying off ones hours. Could I ask, In my ignorance, Is this a written procudure for one to follow ? If so and if aviable., could I get a copy? or let me know where I could. It would certainly be most helpfull when my turn arrives. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 27/01/2007 5:02 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.