---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/30/07: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: video (Brian Whittingham) 2. 02:17 PM - Re: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? (Brian Whittingham) 3. 02:27 PM - Re: Re: video (Brian Whittingham) 4. 02:28 PM - Re: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? (John Davis) 5. 02:38 PM - Re: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? (Brian Whittingham) 6. 05:44 PM - Re: Re: video (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 7. 07:54 PM - Re: Re: video (Brian Whittingham) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:57 AM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: video Buz, I think this is all entirely possible and would look good. Better to look graceful than harsh manuevers. I found this to be the case with a midfield break as well. With the Esqual you can turn tight enough to get inside of Hwy231 in the pattern at Shelbyville, but if you just go power to idle and make a nice smooth and coordinated turn it turns out really pretty and sets you up for a perfect poweroff approach to landing. Yes, my camera does have a zoom. Haven't used the camera much yet as it is new and so it might take me a little getting used to, but still it would work really well. Brian W. From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: video Brian, All of that sounds great. Depending on how much maneuvering they want on the video (I agree with your aerobatic thoughts) I would add some lazy eights and chandells. We would follow in trail to get the shot of him going up, banking through the horizon, and then down again. Depending on how steep he would want to climb or how steep he would want to bank, I think I would look good. I have done lots of there going vertical in pitch and 90 degrees in bank - not quite a hammer head, but more like a lazy eight to the max. The thing we would have to decide on is how far back in trail we would need to be to get the full effect of the Lightning maneuvering. You probably have a zoom on your camera. It all sounds like good fun to me. Linda sent a message today that there was a problem with their FAA paperwork, so the inspection will not be this week. I will delay my trip out there until they are ready. Probably will slip things a week or so. Blue Skies, Buz _________________________________________________________________ Get in the mood for Valentine's Day. View photos, recipes and more on your Live.com page. http://www.live.com/?addTemplate=ValentinesDay&ocid=T001MSN30A0701 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:17:33 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? Linda, Do you have your baggage compartment finished out? I forgot my camera this morning, but tomorrow would like to get some shots of your plane, and others around. Somebody asked for shots of the baggage area and I don't think anybody else has theirs finished out. Brian W. From: Subject: Re: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? Jim, I am putting a Gretz Aero tube on my Lightning; it draws less amperage than the standard heated tube. The 20-amp alternator is a real limiting factor for installing much equipment; the Gretz is available directly from www.gretzaero.com or from Aircraft Spruce. Linda Mathias From: pequeajim Subject: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? I was wondering when equipping a Lightning for IFR, which brand/model heated pitot tube is typically installed? Are there any issues with the wing already being closed? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90883#90883 _________________________________________________________________ FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo buy and sell with people you know ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:27:41 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: video Buz, Was wondering how we're going to do the shots. Will you use Linda's plane and Nick fly the prototype? If so where does the camera guy (me I guess) sit? I don't know enough about these experimental aircraft rules at all. Can I fly aboard a plane without having the 40 hours on it? I guess that we could always alternatively use BZ to shoot the arials and two Lightnings when I'm on the ground. It'd be great if I could talk to the other plane during filming, but safety is most important. Perhaps we can get together on the ground and draw out a list of manuevers and I can relay on to you if we got a good enough shot, and if we need to redo it, how we need to redo it, and then you pass it along to Nick. When I'm on the ground I can have a handheld and I'll keep quiet during the low altitude shots and so you two can communicate back and forth and tell you how it looked and if anything needs to be changed after you climb out. I think that mainly a really good briefing on the ground before and after will get us the desired results and the greatest margin of safety. This will involve a lot of close formation and manuevering around the aircraft to get different views. I know that you and Nick are both great sticks and you probably have more formation time that most of us have total time, but just trying to come up with a plan and make sure we get the shots that we want and everybody is on the same page. Brian W. From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: video Brian, All of that sounds great. Depending on how much maneuvering they want on the video (I agree with your aerobatic thoughts) I would add some lazy eights and chandells. We would follow in trail to get the shot of him going up, banking through the horizon, and then down again. Depending on how steep he would want to climb or how steep he would want to bank, I think I would look good. I have done lots of there going vertical in pitch and 90 degrees in bank - not quite a hammer head, but more like a lazy eight to the max. The thing we would have to decide on is how far back in trail we would need to be to get the full effect of the Lightning maneuvering. You probably have a zoom on your camera. It all sounds like good fun to me. Linda sent a message today that there was a problem with their FAA paperwork, so the inspection will not be this week. I will delay my trip out there until they are ready. Probably will slip things a week or so. Blue Skies, Buz _________________________________________________________________ Check out all that glitters with the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline2 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:28:52 PM PST US From: "John Davis" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? I do and here are some shots of it >less the floor John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Whittingham" Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? > > > Linda, > Do you have your baggage compartment finished out? I forgot my camera > this morning, but tomorrow would like to get some shots of your plane, and > others around. Somebody asked for shots of the baggage area and I don't > think anybody else has theirs finished out. Brian W. > > > From: > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? > Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:36:12 -0600 (CST) > > > Jim, > I am putting a Gretz Aero tube on my Lightning; it draws less amperage > than the standard heated tube. The 20-amp alternator is a real limiting > factor for installing much equipment; the Gretz is available directly from > www.gretzaero.com or from Aircraft Spruce. > > Linda Mathias > From: pequeajim > Date: 2007/01/27 Sat PM 03:20:47 CST > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? > > > I was wondering when equipping a Lightning for IFR, which brand/model > heated pitot tube is typically installed? > > Are there any issues with the wing already being closed? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90883#90883 > > > _________________________________________________________________ > FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people > you know > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:06 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? Hi John, Do you have a couple of pics like I posted earlier. One of the entire interior, stick grips, interior, panel, everything? Also one of the outside of the plane. I had some and lost them due to a computer issue. Thanks, Brian W. From: "John Davis" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? I do and here are some shots of it >less the floor John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Whittingham" Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 4:17 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? > > >Linda, > Do you have your baggage compartment finished out? I forgot my camera >this morning, but tomorrow would like to get some shots of your plane, and >others around. Somebody asked for shots of the baggage area and I don't >think anybody else has theirs finished out. Brian W. > > >From: >To: lightning-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? >Date: Mon, 29 Jan 2007 11:36:12 -0600 (CST) > > >Jim, > I am putting a Gretz Aero tube on my Lightning; it draws less amperage >than the standard heated tube. The 20-amp alternator is a real limiting >factor for installing much equipment; the Gretz is available directly from >www.gretzaero.com or from Aircraft Spruce. > > Linda Mathias >From: pequeajim >Date: 2007/01/27 Sat PM 03:20:47 CST >To: lightning-list@matronics.com >Subject: Lightning-List: WHat heated pitot tube are you guys using? > > >I was wondering when equipping a Lightning for IFR, which brand/model >heated pitot tube is typically installed? > >Are there any issues with the wing already being closed? > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=90883#90883 > > >_________________________________________________________________ >FREE online classifieds from Windows Live Expo - buy and sell with people >you know > > << interior.jpg >> _________________________________________________________________ Turn searches into helpful donations. Make your search count. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:22 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: video Brian, Hopefully you are running all of this by Nick and Pete. I feel confident that they will want this video for future marketing. I can envision the video running continually at their booth at OSH or LAL. At small fly ins where they don't have a booth, it would even be neat to have a small DVD player on top of the instrument panel running the video. I am sure they would also like you to add the video to the Lightning web site. We will be shooting from my airplane for all the air to air shots - since Lightning in flight video is the goal. (You can not carry passengers during the 40 hour test period.) The way my airplane is set up either of us can transmit to Nick in the prototype. I can also put you in either seat if that makes a difference. Some of the pre flight planning factors - other than the standard formation brief items and the planned maneuvers - will be specific areas to fly over (do we want some specific ground area to show?) and the time of day will determine where the sun is - we don't want too much video looking into the sun. For the two ship Lightning formation shots I would hope to use Linda's airplane (with her approval of course) and I would hope that it would have the wheel pants and gear leg fairings on by then. We can shoot some of the sequences with you by the runway and hopefully some with you in a third airplane. Nick and I fly lots of formation together (yes, I probably have well over 4000 in formation alone), and we have also flown occasional three ship formation with Ben in the Jabiru 400. You in the 400 with Ben (or with Pete in the 250) would make a great camera ship for the aerial formation shots of the two Lightnings. We will continue to flesh out the plan as we get closer to the actual time frame. Blue Skies, Buz ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:27 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: video Buz, Actually I haven't talked to Nick or Pete about it. I haven't been out there since we started the discussion, but somebody said that they needed one on the website and it is a thought that I had had as well. I think that people get a better feel with video than they do with still pics. If we could find Nick when he's not too busy I'm sure he'd be all for it. I might go by tomorrow and talk to them about it after work. Some other factors to consider is that the video would have to be a reasonable length to show the plane, but also downloadable by the average joe in a reasonable length of time. You brought out some good points about time of day. I think that the Tim's Fjord Lake where they shot your plane is a great backdrop. I thought that nick had mentioned something about the video too, but too little sleep and not enough food lately is affecting my memory. Of course we'll have to get approval. I think that they would both be willing, but we'll see what they say. Brian W. From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: video Brian, Hopefully you are running all of this by Nick and Pete. I feel confident that they will want this video for future marketing. I can envision the video running continually at their booth at OSH or LAL. At small fly ins where they don't have a booth, it would even be neat to have a small DVD player on top of the instrument panel running the video. I am sure they would also like you to add the video to the Lightning web site. We will be shooting from my airplane for all the air to air shots - since Lightning in flight video is the goal. (You can not carry passengers during the 40 hour test period.) The way my airplane is set up either of us can transmit to Nick in the prototype. I can also put you in either seat if that makes a difference. Some of the pre flight planning factors - other than the standard formation brief items and the planned maneuvers - will be specific areas to fly over (do we want some specific ground area to show?) and the time of day will determine where the sun is - we don't want too much video looking into the sun. For the two ship Lightning formation shots I would hope to use Linda's airplane (with her approval of course) and I would hope that it would have the wheel pants and gear leg fairings on by then. We can shoot some of the sequences with you by the runway and hopefully some with you in a third airplane. Nick and I fly lots of formation together (yes, I probably have well over 4000 in formation alone), and we have also flown occasional three ship formation with Ben in the Jabiru 400. You in the 400 with Ben (or with Pete in the 250) would make a great camera ship for the aerial formation shots of the two Lightnings. We will continue to flesh out the plan as we get closer to the actual time frame. Blue Skies, Buz _________________________________________________________________ Laugh, share and connect with Windows Live Messenger ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.