---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/09/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:42 AM - Re: Esqual "High Speed Crash" (Miguel Maia de Loureiro) 2. 06:02 AM - Re: Esqual "High Speed Crash" (Rick Bowen) 3. 09:36 AM - Re: Esqual "High Speed Crash" (Brian Whittingham) 4. 12:05 PM - Esqual/Lightning ramblings (M Ferguson) 5. 01:33 PM - Lightning Demo Panel (Pete) 6. 02:11 PM - Re: Lightning Demo Panel (Colin J. Kennedy) 7. 02:12 PM - Re: Esqual/Lightning ramblings (nick otterback) 8. 06:18 PM - Trip Home to Virginia (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS) 9. 07:49 PM - Re: Trip Home to Virginia (Scotty) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:42:47 AM PST US From: "Miguel Maia de Loureiro" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Esqual "High Speed Crash" It was during a loop. The passenger didn't get the controls properly, or didn't took the ground into acount. The ex-owner did a loop in a smooth way , using appropriate rudder to keep the airplane on vertical plan. The passenger tried it after... he did a loop like with an oval path, and keep pulling the stick to one more loop. At second loop, he started very low and tried to get a rounded path. At the top he loose lots of speed and the controls began to loose effectivness. At 45=BA angle with head down and the plane sliding or spining direct to the ground, there was no way to recover it. On 3/8/07, Charles Dewey wrote: > > > > brian, thanks for the response- as always you get two > thumbs up! > --- Brian Whittingham wrote: > > > Whittingham" > > > > Charles, > > What I heard is that it was the previous owner > > of the company giving a > > demo ride to a media person. While doing a high > > speed pass, the passenger > > was given the controls and it inverted and went in. > > What we might be saying > > is that it was a high speed stall. Don't know that > > under such circumstances > > that a wing shape design would be much different. > > If it were a low speed > > stall spin and the plane had undesirable stall > > characteristics then this > > would make sense to change the wing design. The > > Lightning's wing pretty > > much falls right back into place and is practically > > a non-event. The last > > Esqual's that I flew, which would have the newer > > wing design that you > > mention would also fall right back into place, but > > would usually have a > > slight fall off to the right or left in the ones > > that I've flown. (might > > have something to do with such a light plane and all > > the passenger weight, > > namely me, on one side, but don't know) Brian W. > > > > > > From: Charles Dewey > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Esqual "High Speed > > Crash" > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:19:51 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > I did a Google search using the words > accident > > Spain> and while unable to get a detailed accident > > report of what Brian claims is the one Esqual > > fatality, I was able to find the words "high speed > > crash which caused Esqual to re-think its wing > > design". This is not an exact quote, just as I > > remember it. Anyone out there know the details of > > that > > accident? > > --- Pete wrote: > > > > > >From the FAA web site - there are 12 Esquals > > with > > > AW certificates that are > > > flying. Eleven sold by Esqual North America or > > > Jabiru USA and one sold > > > direct from Limair (I guess) at the time we could > > > not get metal parts for > > > our kits and Limair was keeping our deposit money > > > for kits not delivered. > > > The kit sold by Limair is serial 72 and the last > > > ones we sold were 74 & 75.. > > > It would be interesting to find if Limair > > supplies > > > him with metal parts that > > > they never supplied to our builders. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > > > > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > N1BZRich@aol.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:02 PM > > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Total # of Esqual > > > flying > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Since someone asked about Esquals, and my > > > specific airplane has been > > > mentioned, let me add a few comments. I estimate > > > the number of Esqual kits > > > still actively flying in the US is probably some > > > where between 5 and 8, with > > > probably 3 more to fly soon. Many more were > > built > > > in Europe and some in > > > Australia. The ones with the Jabiru engine are > > the > > > fastest. My kit was > > > serial number 70. I ordered the Esqual kit from > > > Pete just after Sun-N-Fun > > > 2005 because I did not want to wait a year for > > the > > > Lightning kit design to > > > become finalized and available. I had made the > > > mistake of quoting a price > > > for my Bonanza and, just like that, it was sold > > and > > > I did not have a > > > traveling airplane. I needed to replace it, but > > did > > > not really need four > > > seats. The Esqual looked like a good possibility > > > and with Pete's builder's > > > assist it could be completed quickly. However, > > > during the build process I > > > made many changes to the Esqual design. Some > > were > > > just things I wanted to > > > change to improve the looks, some changes were to > > > improve performance, some > > > changes were what I considered safety of flight > > > issues, some changes were to > > > improve maintainability, and other changes were > > by > > > necessity - meaning that > > > many of my kit parts were never delivered by the > > > then new Esqual owner in > > > Belgium. (Future kit buyers be careful.) Bottom > > > line, my Esqual kit could > > > never have been completed without Pete finding > > > sources to fabricate the > > > missing parts - central beam assembly, rudder and > > > brake pedals, engine > > > mount, etc. All of these parts were built by the > > > future Lightning > > > fabricators. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a partial list of the changes I made: > > > > > > -Dual brakes using Matco cylinders on all four > > > brake/rudder pedal > > > assemblies. This is true dual brakes, not like > > the > > > passenger side dual > > > brakes with cables to activate them, as is the > > case > > > if you order dual brakes > > > with the Esqual kit. > > > > > > -Welded rudder pedal and brake assemblies made > > out > > > of 4130 chromoly steel to > > > replace the weak looking parts that the Esqual > > kit > > > had. Well, My "weak > > > looking" parts did not come, so had to have the > > > future Lightning supplier > > > weld up the parts for my airplane. So I have > > > Lightning rudder and brake > > > pedals. > > > > > > -Matco wheels and brakes with 500x5 main wheel > > tires > > > like on the Lightning. > > > > > > -Stainless steel firewall like on the Lightning. > > > The firewall that comes > > > with the Esqual kit looks sub-standard to me - > > kind > > > of like fiberglass cloth > > > with aluminum film glued on. Not up to my safety > > > standards. > > > > > > -Mounted the brake fluid reservoir and electric > > fuel > > > pump on the engine side > > > of the firewall > > > > > > to ease maintenance on these items. > > > > > > -Dual throttles for pilot and co-pilot left > > hands. > > > > > > -Moved the cockpit air inlets from the cowling to > > > aft of the firewall using > > > a NACA style ducts. By doing this you don't need > > to > > > have holes in the > > > firewall for cockpit air as on the Esqual kit. > > The > > > Lightning is set up this > > > way and in my book is much safer if you have en > > > engine fire. > > > > > > === message truncated == > > > Never miss an email again! > Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. > http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > =========== =========== =========== > > -- Miguel Maia de Loureiro Ultralight Pilot Suport Services Cel.: +351 91 419 21 04 e-Mail: ultralight.flyer@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:54 AM PST US From: "Rick Bowen" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Esqual "High Speed Crash" Sounds like maybe they entered a inverted spin at low altitude? If so, probably no time to recover unless the correct control imputs were entered RIGHT NOW! Even then, they may have just been too low for the recovery...... Rick >From: "Miguel Maia de Loureiro" >To: lightning-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Esqual "High Speed Crash" >Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 13:42:29 +0000 > >It was during a loop. The passenger didn't get the controls properly, or >didn't took the ground into acount. The ex-owner did a loop in a smooth >way, >using appropriate rudder to keep the airplane on vertical plan. The >passenger tried it after... he did a loop like with an oval path, and keep >pulling the stick to one more loop. At second loop, he started very low and >tried to get a rounded path. At the top he loose lots of speed and the >controls began to loose effectivness. At 45 angle with head down and the >plane sliding or spining direct to the ground, there was no way to recover >it. > _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:36:14 AM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Esqual "High Speed Crash" Interesting. Good to have that cleared up. That still doesn't explain why the change in wing planform though. Might it simply have been to lower stall speed by increasing span and also allowing an even shorter takeoff run? I know a lot of the Esquals in Europe that I've seen pictures of don't have the wheelpants or gear leg fairings. They also have a lighter weight to conform with "microlight" specs. Brian W. From: "Miguel Maia de Loureiro" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Esqual "High Speed Crash" It was during a loop. The passenger didn't get the controls properly, or didn't took the ground into acount. The ex-owner did a loop in a smooth way, using appropriate rudder to keep the airplane on vertical plan. The passenger tried it after... he did a loop like with an oval path, and keep pulling the stick to one more loop. At second loop, he started very low and tried to get a rounded path. At the top he loose lots of speed and the controls began to loose effectivness. At 45 angle with head down and the plane sliding or spining direct to the ground, there was no way to recover it. On 3/8/07, Charles Dewey wrote: > > >brian, thanks for the response- as always you get two >thumbs up! >--- Brian Whittingham wrote: > > > Whittingham" > > > > Charles, > > What I heard is that it was the previous owner > > of the company giving a > > demo ride to a media person. While doing a high > > speed pass, the passenger > > was given the controls and it inverted and went in. > > What we might be saying > > is that it was a high speed stall. Don't know that > > under such circumstances > > that a wing shape design would be much different. > > If it were a low speed > > stall spin and the plane had undesirable stall > > characteristics then this > > would make sense to change the wing design. The > > Lightning's wing pretty > > much falls right back into place and is practically > > a non-event. The last > > Esqual's that I flew, which would have the newer > > wing design that you > > mention would also fall right back into place, but > > would usually have a > > slight fall off to the right or left in the ones > > that I've flown. (might > > have something to do with such a light plane and all > > the passenger weight, > > namely me, on one side, but don't know) Brian W. > > > > > > From: Charles Dewey > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Esqual "High Speed > > Crash" > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2007 17:19:51 -0800 (PST) > > > > > > > > I did a Google search using the words > accident > > Spain> and while unable to get a detailed accident > > report of what Brian claims is the one Esqual > > fatality, I was able to find the words "high speed > > crash which caused Esqual to re-think its wing > > design". This is not an exact quote, just as I > > remember it. Anyone out there know the details of > > that > > accident? > > --- Pete wrote: > > > > > >From the FAA web site - there are 12 Esquals > > with > > > AW certificates that are > > > flying. Eleven sold by Esqual North America or > > > Jabiru USA and one sold > > > direct from Limair (I guess) at the time we could > > > not get metal parts for > > > our kits and Limair was keeping our deposit money > > > for kits not delivered. > > > The kit sold by Limair is serial 72 and the last > > > ones we sold were 74 & 75.. > > > It would be interesting to find if Limair > > supplies > > > him with metal parts that > > > they never supplied to our builders. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > > > > > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] > > > On Behalf Of > > > N1BZRich@aol.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2007 2:02 PM > > > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Total # of Esqual > > > flying > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > > > Since someone asked about Esquals, and my > > > specific airplane has been > > > mentioned, let me add a few comments. I estimate > > > the number of Esqual kits > > > still actively flying in the US is probably some > > > where between 5 and 8, with > > > probably 3 more to fly soon. Many more were > > built > > > in Europe and some in > > > Australia. The ones with the Jabiru engine are > > the > > > fastest. My kit was > > > serial number 70. I ordered the Esqual kit from > > > Pete just after Sun-N-Fun > > > 2005 because I did not want to wait a year for > > the > > > Lightning kit design to > > > become finalized and available. I had made the > > > mistake of quoting a price > > > for my Bonanza and, just like that, it was sold > > and > > > I did not have a > > > traveling airplane. I needed to replace it, but > > did > > > not really need four > > > seats. The Esqual looked like a good possibility > > > and with Pete's builder's > > > assist it could be completed quickly. However, > > > during the build process I > > > made many changes to the Esqual design. Some > > were > > > just things I wanted to > > > change to improve the looks, some changes were to > > > improve performance, some > > > changes were what I considered safety of flight > > > issues, some changes were to > > > improve maintainability, and other changes were > > by > > > necessity - meaning that > > > many of my kit parts were never delivered by the > > > then new Esqual owner in > > > Belgium. (Future kit buyers be careful.) Bottom > > > line, my Esqual kit could > > > never have been completed without Pete finding > > > sources to fabricate the > > > missing parts - central beam assembly, rudder and > > > brake pedals, engine > > > mount, etc. All of these parts were built by the > > > future Lightning > > > fabricators. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here is a partial list of the changes I made: > > > > > > -Dual brakes using Matco cylinders on all four > > > brake/rudder pedal > > > assemblies. This is true dual brakes, not like > > the > > > passenger side dual > > > brakes with cables to activate them, as is the > > case > > > if you order dual brakes > > > with the Esqual kit. > > > > > > -Welded rudder pedal and brake assemblies made > > out > > > of 4130 chromoly steel to > > > replace the weak looking parts that the Esqual > > kit > > > had. Well, My "weak > > > looking" parts did not come, so had to have the > > > future Lightning supplier > > > weld up the parts for my airplane. So I have > > > Lightning rudder and brake > > > pedals. > > > > > > -Matco wheels and brakes with 500x5 main wheel > > tires > > > like on the Lightning. > > > > > > -Stainless steel firewall like on the Lightning. > > > The firewall that comes > > > with the Esqual kit looks sub-standard to me - > > kind > > > of like fiberglass cloth > > > with aluminum film glued on. Not up to my safety > > > standards. > > > > > > -Mounted the brake fluid reservoir and electric > > fuel > > > pump on the engine side > > > of the firewall > > > > > > to ease maintenance on these items. > > > > > > -Dual throttles for pilot and co-pilot left > > hands. > > > > > > -Moved the cockpit air inlets from the cowling to > > > aft of the firewall using > > > a NACA style ducts. By doing this you don't need > > to > > > have holes in the > > > firewall for cockpit air as on the Esqual kit. > > The > > > Lightning is set up this > > > way and in my book is much safer if you have en > > > engine fire. > > > > > >=== message truncated == > > >Never miss an email again! >Yahoo! Toolbar alerts you the instant new Mail arrives. >http://tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/ > =========== =========== =========== > > -- Miguel Maia de Loureiro Ultralight Pilot Suport Services Cel.: +351 91 419 21 04 e-Mail: ultralight.flyer@gmail.com _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:37 PM PST US From: M Ferguson Subject: Lightning-List: Esqual/Lightning ramblings Hi folks, I have been following the recent discussion about accident histories with great interest as it tells something about the inherent design qualities of the aircraft. The Esqual(and Lightning) appear to be a very robust design. The basic wing mounting design with intermeshing spars is a design used for at least 50 years in gliders and since the early days of fiberglass gliders. With fiberglass glider wings the metal fittings have been a problem with metal fatigue on some gliders. It is almost unheard of for a wing to come off or the spar to fail( unless the spar pin is accidentally left out) There is a story many years ago of a glider landing after a short flight and the wings falling off on the ground run after the spar pin had be forgotten. With the fiberglass itself, a major problem in Australia has been gelcoat covered fiberglass. Some European gel coats lacked sufficient wax and became brittle and cracked with age, the cracks propagating down into the glass structure. Very costly to remedy. Painting has recently been the preferred option for hot climates. I have an Esqual with the early wing. I can understand why the wing was changed. Mine is finished to glider standards to retain a very accurate profile and surface finish, but it is very unforgiving and has a high stall speed but goes. Speed always has a price. A good dose of insects along the leading edge brings the stall speed down-natures vortex generators. I have been looking around for my next project, so obviously the Lightning is very much in consideration. One problem I have is the lack of a structural cruising speed for either aircraft. With the very strong thermals and turbulence we can experience in Australia, by default the max rough airspeed becomes the maneuvering speed. I love boring holes in the sky at "warpdrive" speed. However in the absence of a structural cruising speed, a high VNE is irrelevant if 80% of my flying is done in turbulent conditions. It is okay to say no one has never had a problem, but I have no desire to experiment briefly with wingless flight no matter how remote the chance. There was an excellent article in the RAA magazine(Aust) some months ago. A popular European designed plane flown at 75% power and 100knots could expect to maybe loose a wing every 1 million hours(similar to "type certified" aircraft). In Australia that same aircraft flown at the same speeds could expect to loose a wing every 5000 hrs. Very sobering. An aeronautical engineer had calculated its structural cruising speed to be less than the maneuvering speed. My Esqual has the early flat spring steel undercarriage that is built like the proverbial "brick outhouse" and I had not been impressed with the tapered legs fitted to the later Esquals and Lightnings. However I have changed my mind after recently seeing an Esqual that was dumped very heavily on landing. I must say that there was no one weak spot in the undercarriage. All of the bits gave a little. Most of the wheel studs had partially or wholly stripped out of the hub. The rear wheel rims were not deformed but had started to crack around the remaining bolts. The front rim was okay in spite of bending the side plates and the leg. All of the undercarriage legs(front and back) were bent over their entire length. The axles were okay as were the transition points where the axles join the legs. Very well engineered. The plane did 2 more landings, the pilots unaware of the damage. After repairs it was on it's trip home and shed a prop blade. In the ensuring landing the plane hit a ditch and totaled everything forward of the firewall and yet the engine frame mounting points on the fuse suffered no damage. It was amazing to see the destruction of the chrome moly engine mount. It must have absorbed a lot of the crash forces. After seeing Dennis Borchardt's kit(the Australian agent) I think the Lightning has started from an excellent base(the Esqual) and improved on it. There are some things I don't like about it, inadequate fuel capacity for one, On the other had it has a much better useful load. But all planes are a compromise. There will never be the perfect plane. Some are just better compromises than others. Regards, Malcolm Ferguson :58 AM ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:33:40 PM PST US From: "Pete" Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Demo Panel The panel goes in our new demo today. Pete ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:11:34 PM PST US From: "Colin J. Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Demo Panel Pete, This is so "hot" I guess that's why it requires the water cooling apparatus behind it? :-) Colin K. OK -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Friday, March 09, 2007 3:33 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Demo Panel The panel goes in our new demo today. Pete ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:12:41 PM PST US From: nick otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Esqual/Lightning ramblings One note on fuel quantity, yes we do carry less fuel, with a total of 22 gallons , however our cruise speed more than offsets the need to carry more fuel. There are compromises in that the more fuel the lower the useful load and so on, so i think the lightning is good middle of the road in that department, enough fuel to easily fly for 3.5 hours@ 170 mph and well if we don't mind 150 or so that the esqual cruises at we can fly for 4- 4.5 hours so not much different there, just a few thoughts.. Nick Otterback Production manager nn@bigfoot.com.au> wrote: Hi folks, I have been following the recent discussion about accident histories with great interest as it tells something about the inherent design qualities of the aircraft. The Esqual(and Lightning) appear to be a very robust design. The basic wing mounting design with intermeshing spars is a design used for at least 50 years in gliders and since the early days of fiberglass gliders. With fiberglass glider wings the metal fittings have been a problem with metal fatigue on some gliders. It is almost unheard of for a wing to come off or the spar to fail( unless the spar pin is accidentally left out) There is a story many years ago of a glider landing after a short flight and the wings falling off on the ground run after the spar pin had be forgotten. With the fiberglass itself, a major problem in Australia has been gelcoat covered fiberglass. Some European gel coats lacked sufficient wax and became brittle and cracked with age, the cracks propagating down into the glass structure. Very costly to remedy. Painting has recently been the preferred option for hot climates. I have an Esqual with the early wing. I can understand why the wing was changed. Mine is finished to glider standards to retain a very accurate profile and surface finish, but it is very unforgiving and has a high stall speed but goes. Speed always has a price. A good dose of insects along the leading edge brings the stall speed down-natures vortex generators. I have been looking around for my next project, so obviously the Lightning is very much in consideration. One problem I have is the lack of a structural cruising speed for either aircraft. With the very strong thermals and turbulence we can experience in Australia, by default the max rough airspeed becomes the maneuvering speed. I love boring holes in the sky at warpdrive speed. However in the absence of a structural cruising speed, a high VNE is irrelevant if 80% of my flying is done in turbulent conditions. It is okay to say no one has never had a problem, but I have no desire to experiment briefly with wingless flight no matter how remote the chance. There was an excellent article in the RAA magazine(Aust) some months ago. A popular European designed plane flown at 75% power and 100knots could expect to maybe loose a wing every 1 million hours(similar to "type certified" aircraft). In Australia that same aircraft flown at the same speeds could expect to loose a wing every 5000 hrs. Very sobering. An aeronautical engineer had calculated its structural cruising speed to be less than the maneuvering speed. My Esqual has the early flat spring steel undercarriage that is built like the proverbial brick outhouse and I had not been impressed with the tapered legs fitted to the later Esquals and Lightnings. However I have changed my mind after recently seeing an Esqual that was dumped very heavily on landing. I must say that there was no one weak spot in the undercarriage. All of the bits gave a little. Most of the wheel studs had partially or wholly stripped out of the hub. The rear wheel rims were not deformed but had started to crack around the remaining bolts. The front rim was okay in spite of bending the side plates and the leg. All of the undercarriage legs(front and back) were bent over their entire length. The axles were okay as were the transition points where the axles join the legs. Very well engineered. The plane did 2 more landings, the pilots unaware of the damage. After repairs it was on its trip home and shed a prop blade. In the ensuring landing the plane hit a ditch and totaled everything forward of the firewall and yet the engine frame mounting points on the fuse suffered no damage. It was amazing to see the destruction of the chrome moly engine mount. It must have absorbed a lot of the crash forces. After seeing Dennis Borchardts kit(the Australian agent) I think the Lightning has started from an excellent base(the Esqual) and improved on it. There are some things I dont like about it, inadequate fuel capacity for one, On the other had it has a much better useful load. But all planes are a compromise. There will never be the perfect plane. Some are just better compromises than others. Regards, Malcolm Ferguson :58 AM --------------------------------- 8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:18:11 PM PST US From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" Subject: Lightning-List: Trip Home to Virginia Just want to report that N59JL is home in Wakefield, VA after a ferry flight from SYI this afternoon. With 20 hours on the plane, the Atlanta MIDO approved a ferry flight to home base and then continue the flight testing around Wakefield. The flight home was uneventful but quite rough even at 7500 feet; the plane performed well and gets compliments from everyone who sees it. Both Joe and I are quite pleased with it. Our wheel pants and gear fairings are finished but not yet installed on the plane. Our canopy has a painted sun shield over the heads; Joe Cooper's canopy was taped to be painted that way. We thought it was a good idea; it really changes the appearance of the plane but is a practical idea that came in great during today's flight. It will be even more appreciated when summer temperatures arrive. I want to thank Pete, Nick, Mark, and Mike for all the assistance and guidance during the build process. Also, a special thanks to Buz Rich for his assistance and valued advice. He did a great job of the initial flight testing and gave me time in his Esqual to get me ready to fly the Lightning. We were pleased to be there for the first flights of Rick Bowen's and Joe Cooper's planes as well; both are great looking planes. Last week was an exciting time to be in Shelbyville even though the weather didn't cooperate for several days which caused us to lose some flight testing time. We used the time to our advantage, however, to work on the wheel pants and gear fairings. They came home in the minivan and will probably go on soon. Hope all of you have as good a building experience as we did. Linda and Joe Mathias ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:31 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Trip Home to Virginia From: "Scotty" Linda, Was the level problem solved on the Chelton yet? If so what was it? Wish I could have stuck around and seen it fly. It is a beauty. 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