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1. 04:11 AM - Desk Models (Scotty)
2. 06:19 AM - Lightning Performance (stay@caithness.com.au)
3. 06:38 AM - Re: Lightning Performance (Brian Whittingham)
4. 07:01 AM - Lightning desktop model... (Rick Bowen)
5. 07:22 AM - Rick Bowen's Plane? (Brian Whittingham)
6. 02:18 PM - Re: Rick Bowen's Plane? (nick otterback)
7. 03:18 PM - Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings (Charles Dewey)
8. 03:26 PM - Re: Lightning Performance (Dennis Borchardt)
9. 03:33 PM - Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings (Brian Whittingham)
10. 04:52 PM - messages from lightningaustralia@bigpond.com (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
11. 05:31 PM - Re: messages from lightningaustralia@bigpond.com (Rick Bowen)
12. 05:36 PM - Re: messages from lightningaustralia@bigpond.com (Jim Logajan)
13. 05:44 PM - Re: messages from lightningaustralia@bigpond.com (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
14. 05:45 PM - No show (Fry)
15. 06:05 PM - Re: messages from lightningaustralia@bigpond.com (N1BZRich@aol.com)
16. 06:07 PM - Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
17. 07:16 PM - Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings (Jim Langley)
18. 07:36 PM - Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
19. 08:07 PM - Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings (Jim Langley)
20. 09:26 PM - Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings (Charles Dewey)
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Several Navy, Air Force, and Marine buddies, and I have used this guy bunches of
times. He got started during the VN war as a kid selling models outside Clark
AFB when we were going throught the Phillipines. He is probably the largest
model maker on Luzon. I have not bought from him since I retired over 5 years
ago. The quality is fantastic and you can trust him completely.
His prices are half of what you will pay in the states.
His company furnishes models to a lot of the retailers here in the states.
http://www.aimhighmodelairplanes.com
and go to Special Models.
Scotty
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Subject: | Lightning Performance |
Gudday everyone,
Having just recently learnt of the Lightning's existence via
the RAAust magazine, I was curious about the difference in
the spec table on the website between the 2 versions. Based
on the lower stall speed, lower overall speeds, higher climb
rate and shorter take-off roll, the sport configuration must
have a wing with a higher lift profile? Which version is
being exported to countries like Australia to comply with
local rules?
Till reading Buz's commentary and all the other chat about
the Esqual I was enthralled with it's performance,
especially with the Airmaster constant speed prop. Thanks
to all your great detail I'm convinced the Lightning is for
me, so I'll have to visit Dennis Borchardt here in Oz and
continue to save my pennies towards a deposit. I haven't
noticed any discussion around adjustable props - any
experiences from anyone would be worth sharing. The
Airmaster website has a nice layman's explanation.
Thanks again to everyone for your chat - it's a great way to
learn for someone who's only able to put in a few hours
flying here and there.
Paul Smith, Angaston, South Australia.
Proud winners of the Barossa Wine and Tourism 2006 Award for
Service Excellence !
Irene Scott Smith & Paul Smith
Caithness Manor
12 Hill St West
Angaston South Australia 5353
Phone +618-8564 2761
Mobile 0421 330 614
Cancellation Policy: If you cancel within 14 days of your
arrival date, your deposit will not be refunded. We will
transfer or refund your deposit if you change or cancel
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Subject: | Lightning Performance |
Paul & Irene,
The big difference with the Light Sport model is that it has vortex
generators that are attached to the wing. There is a template so that the
VG's are attached at the right angles to get the desired results. They
proved their effectiveness. So far all LS models have needed this to get
the stall speed down in the clean configuration. The other difference is in
the prop. The prop on the light sport is set more to a climb pitch, while
the regular model is set to cruise. That is where a lot of your things like
a slower cruise, a higher rate of climb come from in the Light Sport
compliant version.
Nobody has put a constant speed prop on the plane yet. Most have had a
ground adjustable fixed pitch prop. They have worked well. The prop that
you mentioned has been brought up, but I believe that Pete said that he had
talked with the manufacturer and it was made for a slower cruise than the
Lightning is capable of and becomes inefficient at speed. Once I complete
my drag cleanup on the plane I fully believe that we'll get another 10mph
out of cruise, or, we'll get same cruise with X.X gph fuel savings. Based
on current and projected performance I believe that the ground adjustable
prop, once set for your specific mission will be the way to go. Even with
the cruise prop we're talking about really short takeoff and landing rolls.
A very low and stable stall on either. Just my .02. Brian W.
From: "stay@caithness.com.au" <stay@caithness.com.au>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Performance
<stay@caithness.com.au>
Gudday everyone,
Having just recently learnt of the Lightning's existence via
the RAAust magazine, I was curious about the difference in
the spec table on the website between the 2 versions. Based
on the lower stall speed, lower overall speeds, higher climb
rate and shorter take-off roll, the sport configuration must
have a wing with a higher lift profile? Which version is
being exported to countries like Australia to comply with
local rules?
Till reading Buz's commentary and all the other chat about
the Esqual I was enthralled with it's performance,
especially with the Airmaster constant speed prop. Thanks
to all your great detail I'm convinced the Lightning is for
me, so I'll have to visit Dennis Borchardt here in Oz and
continue to save my pennies towards a deposit. I haven't
noticed any discussion around adjustable props - any
experiences from anyone would be worth sharing. The
Airmaster website has a nice layman's explanation.
Thanks again to everyone for your chat - it's a great way to
learn for someone who's only able to put in a few hours
flying here and there.
Paul Smith, Angaston, South Australia.
Proud winners of the Barossa Wine and Tourism 2006 Award for
Service Excellence !
Irene Scott Smith & Paul Smith
Caithness Manor
12 Hill St West
Angaston South Australia 5353
Phone +618-8564 2761
Mobile 0421 330 614
Cancellation Policy: If you cancel within 14 days of your
arrival date, your deposit will not be refunded. We will
transfer or refund your deposit if you change or cancel
with more than 14 days notice.
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Subject: | Lightning desktop model... |
Well,
I am not going to tell you that you may find a cheaper source for the
desktop models, but here is a pic of a Titan that Bill did.....looks pretty
good to me.
If anyone is still interested, I need ONE more person to commit to ordering
a Lightning...Bill is located in Noth Carolina, is a fellow pilot, and I
think would make us some nice Lightning models.
Up to you guys, I do not want to start a "we can get a desktop here, or
here,"etc....Just did a bit of looking and thought I would pass it on.
Again, I have never done any business with him, but I will get a model too
if we can get the needed 5.
Thanks all,
Rick
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Subject: | Rick Bowen's Plane? |
Nick, or other guys in the know,
I'm back in town now and ready to work on flying the time off of Rick's
plane. I can be down there tomorrow if the plane is ready, got the bugs
worked out, etc. I don't want to drive an hour and a half though if you
guys are doing a head torque or something. Let me know. Brian Whittingham
From: "Rick Bowen" <rollnloop@hotmail.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning desktop model...
Well,
I am not going to tell you that you may find a cheaper source for the
desktop models, but here is a pic of a Titan that Bill did.....looks pretty
good to me.
If anyone is still interested, I need ONE more person to commit to ordering
a Lightning...Bill is located in Noth Carolina, is a fellow pilot, and I
think would make us some nice Lightning models.
Up to you guys, I do not want to start a "we can get a desktop here, or
here,"etc....Just did a bit of looking and thought I would pass it on.
Again, I have never done any business with him, but I will get a model too
if we can get the needed 5.
Thanks all,
Rick
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Subject: | Re: Rick Bowen's Plane? |
Brian should be ready... working out a spinnenr balance issue wll let you know
before i leave.
Nick
Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com> wrote:
Nick, or other guys in the know,
I'm back in town now and ready to work on flying the time off of Rick's
plane. I can be down there tomorrow if the plane is ready, got the bugs
worked out, etc. I don't want to drive an hour and a half though if you
guys are doing a head torque or something. Let me know. Brian Whittingham
From: "Rick Bowen"
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning desktop model...
Well,
I am not going to tell you that you may find a cheaper source for the
desktop models, but here is a pic of a Titan that Bill did.....looks pretty
good to me.
If anyone is still interested, I need ONE more person to commit to ordering
a Lightning...Bill is located in Noth Carolina, is a fellow pilot, and I
think would make us some nice Lightning models.
Up to you guys, I do not want to start a "we can get a desktop here, or
here,"etc....Just did a bit of looking and thought I would pass it on.
Again, I have never done any business with him, but I will get a model too
if we can get the needed 5.
Thanks all,
Rick
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Subject: | Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings |
Hi everybody,
Update on my big day:
Although I bought a Lightning kit and have been in
the build process for quite a while now, I never had
seen the Lightning fly and have never flown one. I
based my purchase on blind trust, something rare these
days. I had a really good feeling about the plane's
capabilities and was also heavily sold on the BRS
parachute capability, cruise speed and fuel economy.
The prototype couldn't carry passengers when I was
airplane shopping last year, and I missed hte fly-by
at Sun n Fun last year.
While waiting for Ryan Gross (owner of Green
Landings) to return to the grass strip at Green
Landings (he had gone to another airport to give a
demo ride), I heard a plane in the distance. By the
looks of the tail, it appeared to be a Cessna. As it
got closer, it got much faster and I realized it was
Ryan in the Green Landings Lightning. From the ground,
I was blown away by the aerial maneuvers, speed and
handling of the plane. 90 degress banks looked split
second and rolls looked like they only took a second.
Ryan then did a high-speed fly by at an incredible
clip. I kept thinking the whole time "Is this plane
really doing all this on only 125 Horsepower?!".
The plane far exceeds my expectations of what I
expected. Not only am I getting a safe plane with a
parachute, I am getting a fast and fuel efficient
plane. One new adjective to describe what I am getting
is aerobatic. This word was never in my vocabulary
when shopping for a plane. It adds tremendous value to
the plane. I kept thinking that the Lightning looked
like an Extra 300 by the way it was flying. I knew it
would have some aerobatic capabilities but I never
expected to be comparing it to an Extra.
The workmanship on my plane currently in
construction is absolutely top notch. I recommend
Green Landings to any future Lightning owners. Just so
you know- THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED ENDORSEMNT- I was not
asked by Green Landings to make this posting and I am
not on anybody's payroll relevant to the Lightning
aircraft.
By the way, I did fly with Ryan after he landed,
and we did some of the smae maneuvers. I did only one
roll in my life and that was in a Glasair III. The
Lightning rolls much faster. I haven't done any flying
since August so I really couldn't stomach the G
forces, so we had to come down. ALl in all, a great
day. Oh, by the way, I was amazed at how well the
Lightning does on grass WITH the wheel fairings-
something I thought wouldn't work well at all.
Can't wait to be flying my Own Lightning and
spread the fun around. Charles
--- nick otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Brian should be ready... working out a spinnenr
> balance issue wll let you know before i leave.
>
> Nick
>
> Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Whittingham"
>
> Nick, or other guys in the know,
> I'm back in town now and ready to work on flying the
> time off of Rick's
> plane. I can be down there tomorrow if the plane is
> ready, got the bugs
> worked out, etc. I don't want to drive an hour and a
> half though if you
> guys are doing a head torque or something. Let me
> know. Brian Whittingham
>
>
> From: "Rick Bowen"
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning desktop model...
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:01:00 +0000
>
> Well,
> I am not going to tell you that you may find a
> cheaper source for the
> desktop models, but here is a pic of a Titan that
> Bill did.....looks pretty
> good to me.
>
> If anyone is still interested, I need ONE more
> person to commit to ordering
> a Lightning...Bill is located in Noth Carolina, is a
> fellow pilot, and I
> think would make us some nice Lightning models.
>
> Up to you guys, I do not want to start a "we can get
> a desktop here, or
> here,"etc....Just did a bit of looking and thought I
> would pass it on.
> Again, I have never done any business with him, but
> I will get a model too
> if we can get the needed 5.
>
> Thanks all,
> Rick
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Performance |
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Subject: | Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings |
So Charles,
Mine and Buz's unsolicited accounts were pretty accurate then you'd say?
:-P I think a good product will sale itself by word of mouth and people
gaining confidence that it will do what is advertised. For me the one thing
that comes to mind if I had to describe it is "Fun" to the max. Really glad
to get the chance to fly several of them. Hope your plane turns out as good
as the others. Be sure to update us with pics once she's painted and mostly
assembeled. Brian W.
From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Incredible Day at Green Landings
Hi everybody,
Update on my big day:
Although I bought a Lightning kit and have been in
the build process for quite a while now, I never had
seen the Lightning fly and have never flown one. I
based my purchase on blind trust, something rare these
days. I had a really good feeling about the plane's
capabilities and was also heavily sold on the BRS
parachute capability, cruise speed and fuel economy.
The prototype couldn't carry passengers when I was
airplane shopping last year, and I missed hte fly-by
at Sun n Fun last year.
While waiting for Ryan Gross (owner of Green
Landings) to return to the grass strip at Green
Landings (he had gone to another airport to give a
demo ride), I heard a plane in the distance. By the
looks of the tail, it appeared to be a Cessna. As it
got closer, it got much faster and I realized it was
Ryan in the Green Landings Lightning. From the ground,
I was blown away by the aerial maneuvers, speed and
handling of the plane. 90 degress banks looked split
second and rolls looked like they only took a second.
Ryan then did a high-speed fly by at an incredible
clip. I kept thinking the whole time "Is this plane
really doing all this on only 125 Horsepower?!".
The plane far exceeds my expectations of what I
expected. Not only am I getting a safe plane with a
parachute, I am getting a fast and fuel efficient
plane. One new adjective to describe what I am getting
is aerobatic. This word was never in my vocabulary
when shopping for a plane. It adds tremendous value to
the plane. I kept thinking that the Lightning looked
like an Extra 300 by the way it was flying. I knew it
would have some aerobatic capabilities but I never
expected to be comparing it to an Extra.
The workmanship on my plane currently in
construction is absolutely top notch. I recommend
Green Landings to any future Lightning owners. Just so
you know- THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED ENDORSEMNT- I was not
asked by Green Landings to make this posting and I am
not on anybody's payroll relevant to the Lightning
aircraft.
By the way, I did fly with Ryan after he landed,
and we did some of the smae maneuvers. I did only one
roll in my life and that was in a Glasair III. The
Lightning rolls much faster. I haven't done any flying
since August so I really couldn't stomach the G
forces, so we had to come down. ALl in all, a great
day. Oh, by the way, I was amazed at how well the
Lightning does on grass WITH the wheel fairings-
something I thought wouldn't work well at all.
Can't wait to be flying my Own Lightning and
spread the fun around. Charles
--- nick otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Brian should be ready... working out a spinnenr
> balance issue wll let you know before i leave.
>
> Nick
>
> Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Whittingham"
>
> Nick, or other guys in the know,
> I'm back in town now and ready to work on flying the
> time off of Rick's
> plane. I can be down there tomorrow if the plane is
> ready, got the bugs
> worked out, etc. I don't want to drive an hour and a
> half though if you
> guys are doing a head torque or something. Let me
> know. Brian Whittingham
>
>
> From: "Rick Bowen"
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning desktop model...
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:01:00 +0000
>
> Well,
> I am not going to tell you that you may find a
> cheaper source for the
> desktop models, but here is a pic of a Titan that
> Bill did.....looks pretty
> good to me.
>
> If anyone is still interested, I need ONE more
> person to commit to ordering
> a Lightning...Bill is located in Noth Carolina, is a
> fellow pilot, and I
> think would make us some nice Lightning models.
>
> Up to you guys, I do not want to start a "we can get
> a desktop here, or
> here,"etc....Just did a bit of looking and thought I
> would pass it on.
> Again, I have never done any business with him, but
> I will get a model too
> if we can get the needed 5.
>
> Thanks all,
> Rick
>
>
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Anyone else having problems with messages on this list from Dennis at
Lightning Australia? The last two messages he sent were blank for me. Dennis,
is
your computer out of ink? ;-)
Buz
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Buz,
I never see any print from Dennis either....up 'till now, I thought it was
MY computer having problems!
I feel much better now.......
Dennis, can you try to resend a message to us please?
Rick
>From: N1BZRich@aol.com
>To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Lightning-List: messages from lightningaustralia@bigpond.com
>Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 19:51:47 EDT
>
>Anyone else having problems with messages on this list from Dennis at
>Lightning Australia? The last two messages he sent were blank for me.
>Dennis, is
>your computer out of ink? ;-)
>Buz
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N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:
> Anyone else having problems with messages on this list from Dennis at
> Lightning Australia? The last two messages he sent were blank for
> me. Dennis, is your computer out of ink? ;-)
It appears to be an encoding problem either at their end or when
Matronics forwards their messages.
Believe it or not, their message is there - but it is "hidden" and
depending on the e-mail software you use you should be able to "view"
the "raw" e-mail. I use Mozilla Thunderbird and used the menu selection
"View" -> "Message Source" to see what they had to say.
To minimize people having problems reading my e-mails I have set my
e-mail client to encode outgoing e-mail using "plain text".
Hope this helps.
Jim
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Buz,
Same here!
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 7:51 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: messages from lightningaustralia@bigpond.com
Anyone else having problems with messages on this list from Dennis at
Lightning Australia? The last two messages he sent were blank for me.
Dennis, is your computer out of ink? ;-)
Buz
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Dennis, I am not getting anything either. Your last post was 38KB in
size, but the page was blank.
Bill
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Jim,
Thanks for explaining all that, but based on what I understood, you might as
well have been speaking Arabic to me. I am not what you might call computer
literate. But I do feel better that others have had the same problem
reading messages from Dennis. At least now I know my 'puter in not out of ink.
;-)
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Subject: | Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings |
Hey Charles,
Good report, and I am glad you are enjoying your Lightning build and
your flight with Ryan. Now you know what we have been "grinning ear to ear"
about. But if you are not careful, the secret will get out and everyone will
want one. Just kidding of course, but do be careful about comparing it to an
Extra (or any other aerobatic aircraft for that matter). Even though they may
look somewhat similar, the Extra is designed to be an Unlimited Class
aerobatic airplane. In the right pilot's hands, it competes and wins at the World
Class level in aerobatic contest. In addition to the plus and minus "Gs"
that it has been test flown to, it also has a much higher Va. The Lightning is
advertised to not be an aerobatic airplane and I think we all know that for
insurance purposes (both the designers and yours) that is best. Sure, you can
get away with steep turns and aileron rolls (and such) but that certainly
does not make an aerobatic aircraft. I don't want to slow down your
enthusiasm, it is great, I just don't want the wrong idea to get out about what
the
Lightning is designed for. I have hesitated about sending this and taking a
chance of dampening your enthusiasm, but I guess the bottom line is we both
think the Lightning is an outstanding airplane for the mission profile that it
was designed to meet. Add to that the quick build time and economical
operation and the Lightning is definitely a winner.
Blue Skies,
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Subject: | Incredible Day at Green Landings |
Charles:
Glad to hear that you like the aircraft so much. Ryan was just coming back
from giving me a demo. What a nice flying airplane! Unlike you though, I
was depressed after my flight. It was because I like the airplane so much
but just do not quite fit like I would like. I'm 6'1" with a torso of a
6'4" guy and shoulders like a linebacker, so I had to tilt my head slightly
to keep from resting it against the canopy glass.
I will say that the Lightning is very easy to fly but responsive too. Nice
aircraft. The 3300 got us off the runway in short order with me sitting in
there at 265 lbs, no problem.
Guys, you have a very nice aircraft. I just wish it was about 3-4" wider up
top.
Best of luck to you Charles, you're gonna love it!
Jim!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Dewey
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Incredible Day at Green Landings
Hi everybody,
Update on my big day:
Although I bought a Lightning kit and have been in
the build process for quite a while now, I never had
seen the Lightning fly and have never flown one. I
based my purchase on blind trust, something rare these
days. I had a really good feeling about the plane's
capabilities and was also heavily sold on the BRS
parachute capability, cruise speed and fuel economy.
The prototype couldn't carry passengers when I was
airplane shopping last year, and I missed hte fly-by
at Sun n Fun last year.
While waiting for Ryan Gross (owner of Green
Landings) to return to the grass strip at Green
Landings (he had gone to another airport to give a
demo ride), I heard a plane in the distance. By the
looks of the tail, it appeared to be a Cessna. As it
got closer, it got much faster and I realized it was
Ryan in the Green Landings Lightning. From the ground,
I was blown away by the aerial maneuvers, speed and
handling of the plane. 90 degress banks looked split
second and rolls looked like they only took a second.
Ryan then did a high-speed fly by at an incredible
clip. I kept thinking the whole time "Is this plane
really doing all this on only 125 Horsepower?!".
The plane far exceeds my expectations of what I
expected. Not only am I getting a safe plane with a
parachute, I am getting a fast and fuel efficient
plane. One new adjective to describe what I am getting
is aerobatic. This word was never in my vocabulary
when shopping for a plane. It adds tremendous value to
the plane. I kept thinking that the Lightning looked
like an Extra 300 by the way it was flying. I knew it
would have some aerobatic capabilities but I never
expected to be comparing it to an Extra.
The workmanship on my plane currently in
construction is absolutely top notch. I recommend
Green Landings to any future Lightning owners. Just so
you know- THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED ENDORSEMNT- I was not
asked by Green Landings to make this posting and I am
not on anybody's payroll relevant to the Lightning
aircraft.
By the way, I did fly with Ryan after he landed,
and we did some of the smae maneuvers. I did only one
roll in my life and that was in a Glasair III. The
Lightning rolls much faster. I haven't done any flying
since August so I really couldn't stomach the G
forces, so we had to come down. ALl in all, a great
day. Oh, by the way, I was amazed at how well the
Lightning does on grass WITH the wheel fairings-
something I thought wouldn't work well at all.
Can't wait to be flying my Own Lightning and
spread the fun around. Charles
--- nick otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Brian should be ready... working out a spinnenr
> balance issue wll let you know before i leave.
>
> Nick
>
> Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Whittingham"
>
> Nick, or other guys in the know,
> I'm back in town now and ready to work on flying the
> time off of Rick's
> plane. I can be down there tomorrow if the plane is
> ready, got the bugs
> worked out, etc. I don't want to drive an hour and a
> half though if you
> guys are doing a head torque or something. Let me
> know. Brian Whittingham
>
>
> From: "Rick Bowen"
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning desktop model...
> Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:01:00 +0000
>
> Well,
> I am not going to tell you that you may find a
> cheaper source for the
> desktop models, but here is a pic of a Titan that
> Bill did.....looks pretty
> good to me.
>
> If anyone is still interested, I need ONE more
> person to commit to ordering
> a Lightning...Bill is located in Noth Carolina, is a
> fellow pilot, and I
> think would make us some nice Lightning models.
>
> Up to you guys, I do not want to start a "we can get
> a desktop here, or
> here,"etc....Just did a bit of looking and thought I
> would pass it on.
> Again, I have never done any business with him, but
> I will get a model too
> if we can get the needed 5.
>
> Thanks all,
> Rick
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Incredible Day at Green Landings |
Jim,
Don't give up just yet. The latest kits give more head room and more
hip room. Nick designed a new molded seat pan to give more head room and
narrowed the center console for the extra hip width. I am 6'2" and 215 to 225
depending on the time of the year. (I seem to gain weight in the winter even
though I really don't hibernate.) And if you haven't met John Davis, he is a
big boy, and seems to have no problems. So bottom line is: You really need
to sit in one of the new Lightnings. The soon to be completed demonstrator
will have the new seat set up. See it at Sun-N-Fun. For those of you with
the older seat set up, you can order an upgrade "seat kit" from the SYI guys.
Buz
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Subject: | Incredible Day at Green Landings |
Boy Buzz. It would have to be at least three or so inches wider for me to be
comfortable. I wish there was one close where I could try it. I'm ready to
pull the trigger on an aircraft.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Incredible Day at Green Landings
Jim,
Don't give up just yet. The latest kits give more head room and more
hip room. Nick designed a new molded seat pan to give more head room and
narrowed the center console for the extra hip width. I am 6'2" and 215 to
225 depending on the time of the year. (I seem to gain weight in the winter
even though I really don't hibernate.) And if you haven't met John Davis,
he is a big boy, and seems to have no problems. So bottom line is: You
really need to sit in one of the new Lightnings. The soon to be completed
demonstrator will have the new seat set up. See it at Sun-N-Fun. For those
of you with the older seat set up, you can order an upgrade "seat kit" from
the SYI guys.
Buz
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Subject: | Incredible Day at Green Landings |
Jim, Thanks for the words of encouragement. DOn't give
up on the lIghtning, as the new seat will be deeper
and easily accomodate you. Charles
--- Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote:
> <pequeajim@gmail.com>
>
> Charles:
>
> Glad to hear that you like the aircraft so much.
> Ryan was just coming back
> from giving me a demo. What a nice flying airplane!
> Unlike you though, I
> was depressed after my flight. It was because I
> like the airplane so much
> but just do not quite fit like I would like. I'm
> 6'1" with a torso of a
> 6'4" guy and shoulders like a linebacker, so I had
> to tilt my head slightly
> to keep from resting it against the canopy glass.
>
> I will say that the Lightning is very easy to fly
> but responsive too. Nice
> aircraft. The 3300 got us off the runway in short
> order with me sitting in
> there at 265 lbs, no problem.
>
> Guys, you have a very nice aircraft. I just wish it
> was about 3-4" wider up
> top.
>
> Best of luck to you Charles, you're gonna love it!
>
> Jim!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Charles
> Dewey
> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2007 6:17 PM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Incredible Day at Green
> Landings
>
> <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
>
> Hi everybody,
> Update on my big day:
> Although I bought a Lightning kit and have been
> in
> the build process for quite a while now, I never had
> seen the Lightning fly and have never flown one. I
> based my purchase on blind trust, something rare
> these
> days. I had a really good feeling about the plane's
> capabilities and was also heavily sold on the BRS
> parachute capability, cruise speed and fuel economy.
> The prototype couldn't carry passengers when I was
> airplane shopping last year, and I missed hte fly-by
> at Sun n Fun last year.
> While waiting for Ryan Gross (owner of Green
> Landings) to return to the grass strip at Green
> Landings (he had gone to another airport to give a
> demo ride), I heard a plane in the distance. By the
> looks of the tail, it appeared to be a Cessna. As it
> got closer, it got much faster and I realized it was
> Ryan in the Green Landings Lightning. From the
> ground,
> I was blown away by the aerial maneuvers, speed and
> handling of the plane. 90 degress banks looked split
> second and rolls looked like they only took a
> second.
> Ryan then did a high-speed fly by at an incredible
> clip. I kept thinking the whole time "Is this plane
> really doing all this on only 125 Horsepower?!".
> The plane far exceeds my expectations of what I
> expected. Not only am I getting a safe plane with a
> parachute, I am getting a fast and fuel efficient
> plane. One new adjective to describe what I am
> getting
> is aerobatic. This word was never in my vocabulary
> when shopping for a plane. It adds tremendous value
> to
> the plane. I kept thinking that the Lightning looked
> like an Extra 300 by the way it was flying. I knew
> it
> would have some aerobatic capabilities but I never
> expected to be comparing it to an Extra.
> The workmanship on my plane currently in
> construction is absolutely top notch. I recommend
> Green Landings to any future Lightning owners. Just
> so
> you know- THIS IS AN UNSOLICITED ENDORSEMNT- I was
> not
> asked by Green Landings to make this posting and I
> am
> not on anybody's payroll relevant to the Lightning
> aircraft.
> By the way, I did fly with Ryan after he
> landed,
> and we did some of the smae maneuvers. I did only
> one
> roll in my life and that was in a Glasair III. The
> Lightning rolls much faster. I haven't done any
> flying
> since August so I really couldn't stomach the G
> forces, so we had to come down. ALl in all, a great
> day. Oh, by the way, I was amazed at how well the
> Lightning does on grass WITH the wheel fairings-
> something I thought wouldn't work well at all.
> Can't wait to be flying my Own Lightning and
> spread the fun around. Charles
>
> --- nick otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Brian should be ready... working out a spinnenr
> > balance issue wll let you know before i leave.
> >
> > Nick
> >
> > Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > Whittingham"
> >
> > Nick, or other guys in the know,
> > I'm back in town now and ready to work on flying
> the
> > time off of Rick's
> > plane. I can be down there tomorrow if the plane
> is
> > ready, got the bugs
> > worked out, etc. I don't want to drive an hour and
> a
> > half though if you
> > guys are doing a head torque or something. Let me
> > know. Brian Whittingham
> >
> >
> > From: "Rick Bowen"
> > To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning desktop
> model...
> > Date: Mon, 12 Mar 2007 14:01:00 +0000
> >
> > Well,
> > I am not going to tell you that you may find a
> > cheaper source for the
> > desktop models, but here is a pic of a Titan that
> > Bill did.....looks pretty
> > good to me.
> >
> > If anyone is still interested, I need ONE more
> > person to commit to ordering
> > a Lightning...Bill is located in Noth Carolina, is
> a
> > fellow pilot, and I
> > think would make us some nice Lightning models.
> >
> > Up to you guys, I do not want to start a "we can
> get
> > a desktop here, or
> > here,"etc....Just did a bit of looking and thought
> I
> > would pass it on.
> > Again, I have never done any business with him,
> but
> > I will get a model too
> > if we can get the needed 5.
> >
> > Thanks all,
> > Rick
> >
> >
>
_________________________________________________________________
> > The average US Credit Score is 675. The cost to
> see
> > yours: $0 by Experian.
> >
>
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> RAGE
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