Lightning-List Digest Archive

Sun 04/08/07


Total Messages Posted: 3



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 03:00 AM - Re: New Demo Flies (Miguel Maia de Loureiro)
     2. 02:33 PM - Re: Help me I'm hooked! (nick otterback)
     3. 04:33 PM - Re: Help me I'm hooked! (Jim Langley)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:00:51 AM PST US
    From: "Miguel Maia de Loureiro" <ultralight.flyer@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: New Demo Flies
    > > ** > > Nice work. I hope try it soon. Talk to you later. By now... Congratulations! Nice flights, happy landings. Miguel -- Miguel Maia de Loureiro Ultralight Pilot Suport Services Cel.: +351 91 419 21 04 e-Mail: ultralight.flyer@gmail.com


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:33:17 PM PST US
    From: nick otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Help me I'm hooked!
    John... I belive it is worth another look...i know that green landings has the original seat pans and center console and that the sit mush higher that the new ones.......i have a customer who is taller than you and about 250 who owns one and he fits great...has the new seating... this is the only seats available now... Nick... Arion Aircraft "John D. Williams" <sailmo@erols.com> wrote: Greetings all: I too, am hooked on the Lightning performance, looks, cost, etc. I personally know Buz Rich, have sat in his plane, and I recently sat in a finished Lightning based in Virginia. Prior to sitting in the Lightning, I was ready to pull the trigger, put down a deposit, and schedule some builder's assist time. Unfortunately, the canopy touches the top of my head even when I am scrunched down in the seat; and that is WITHOUT a headset on. I believe that the Lightning that I sat in had the usual amount of foam in the seat - the new and improved LESSER amount. I am not so sure if the plane that I sat in has the 'narrow' console between the two seats; but I think that it did. I am not as tall as Jim Langley, I am 5' 11" and weigh 260. My shoulders are VERY broad - I hardly fit into a Cessna 172. A few days ago, I tried to fit into a Velocity SE, but could not close the door without turning my shoulder inwards. I need a plane with cabin width of at least 46 inches and a canopy that will let me sit up in comfort with a head set on. Despite the fact that my shoulders were brushing up against my wife's shoulders, I felt that I could be comfortable in the Lightning seat for a long distance flight (butt room), but with the canopy touching my head, there is no way for me to feel comfortable making a purchase decision unless there is a remedy ( a canopy with more volume at head level). While this seems like a problem that could easily be remedied; I am sure that a canopy redesign is far more complex than I can imagine. Plus, how will a larger canopy affect performance - will a larger canopy completely destroy the Lightning advantages of fuel efficient FAST flight? I am ready to invest the money it would take to purchase a nicely equipped Lightning; but I fear that I must look elsewhere for a plane that has enough room for a pilot with my size shoulders. Perhaps the only answer for me is to find a partner and purchase a share of a used Cirrus. From experience, the Cirrus cabin is adequate (and yes, I realize that a Cirrus is a 4 seat plane, the Lightning is not). I am NOT knocking the Lightning - like Jim Langley, I am simply expressing my experience and frustration. I like the Lightning and think it is well engineered and gives plenty of bang for the buck. If only I could fit inside!! Like Jim Langley, I was crushed when I experienced the lack of headroom under the canopy. I'd sure like to know of a good solution within the next 3 weeks. I want to have a great plane ready to fly out to the West coast at the end of the summer. If the Lightning community can come up with a great solution, I will rethink building a Lightning; but if I don't get started soon, a new Lightning would not be ready by the time I want to head out west at the end of August. Thanks for letting me give my 2 cents worth of opinion; John D. Williams Williamsburg, VA 757 565-2022 Jim Langley wrote: I want to make a plea to all of you who are Lightning owners to possibly help me. I have flown in the Green Landings Lightning, and just came back from a trip to Shelbyville where my brother in law and I sat in a Lightning that was on the floor. This was (I believe one of the new Lightnings with the narrow console and more room. To say that I was disappointed would be a minor statement; I was crushed! I just dont fit. To start with, I am a pretty big fellow, 6-2 and 265lmb, but the main thing was that I had to tilt my head sideways when I closed the canopy, as did my brother in law, (hes 6-3 and skinny). We were bumping shoulders, but I kind of expected that. I did not expect the lack of headroom though. I really love the aircraft, engine, and all the things about the Lightning except the room! I cant bring myself to give up on this little gem and am wondering if there are some things that could be done (besides cutting off my legs), that would create more room in the aircraft. I think if Arion designed a more spacious canopy, this could create a few more inches of headroom, but I understand that you dont just snap your fingers and this happens. My hips and waste felt fine in the aircraft, it was my shoulders and the headroom. I will be at Sun and Fun looking at airplanes and will hopefully see some of you there. Maybe we can some up with some ideas. I plan on getting in the demo again to see how it feels, (one last time) Jim! --------------------------------- It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:33:41 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Help me I'm hooked!
    Nick. Who is that? I would love to talk to him as I go 6'-2" and run about the same weight. Did he do anything special to the aircraft during construction to accommodate his larger frame? Jim! _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick otterback Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Help me I'm hooked! John... I belive it is worth another look...i know that green landings has the original seat pans and center console and that the sit mush higher that the new ones.......i have a customer who is taller than you and about 250 who owns one and he fits great...has the new seating... this is the only seats available now... Nick... Arion Aircraft "John D. Williams" <sailmo@erols.com> wrote: Greetings all: I too, am hooked on the Lightning performance, looks, cost, etc. I personally know Buz Rich, have sat in his plane, and I recently sat in a finished Lightning based in Virginia. Prior to sitting in the Lightning, I was ready to pull the trigger, put down a deposit, and schedule some builder's assist time. Unfortunately, the canopy touches the top of my head even when I am scrunched down in the seat; and that is WITHOUT a headset on. I believe that the Lightning that I sat in had the usual amount of foam in the seat - the new and improved LESSER amount. I am not so sure if the plane that I sat in has the 'narrow' console between the two seats; but I think that it did. I am not as tall as Jim Langley, I am 5' 11" and weigh 260. My shoulders are VERY broad - I hardly fit into a Cessna 172. A few days ago, I tried to fit into a Velocity SE, but could not close the door without turning my shoulder inwards. I need a plane with cabin width of at least 46 inches and a canopy that will let me sit up in comfort with a head set on. Despite the fact that my shoulders were brushing up against my wife's shoulders, I felt that I could be comfortable in the Lightning seat for a long distance flight (butt room), but with the canopy touching my head, there is no way for me to feel comfortable making a purchase decision unless there is a remedy ( a canopy with more volume at head level). While this seems like a problem that could easily be remedied; I am sure that a canopy redesign is far more complex than I can imagine. Plus, how will a larger canopy affect performance - will a larger canopy completely destroy the Lightning advantages of fuel efficient FAST flight? I am ready to invest the money it would take to purchase a nicely equipped Lightning; but I fear that I must look elsewhere for a plane that has enough room for a pilot with my size shoulders. Perhaps the only answer for me is to find a partner and purchase a share of a used Cirrus. From experience, the Cirrus cabin is adequate (and yes, I realize that a Cirrus is a 4 seat plane, the Lightning is not). I am NOT knocking the Lightning - like Jim Langley, I am simply expressing my experience and frustration. I like the Lightning and think it is well engineered and gives plenty of bang for the buck. If only I could fit inside!! Like Jim Langley, I was crushed when I experienced the lack of headroom under the canopy. I'd sure like to know of a good solution within the next 3 weeks. I want to have a great plane ready to fly out to the West coast at the end of the summer. If the Lightning community can come up with a great solution, I will rethink building a Lightning; but if I don't get started soon, a new Lightning would not be ready by the time I want to head out west at the end of August. Thanks for letting me give my 2 cents worth of opinion; John D. Williams Williamsburg, VA 757 565-2022 Jim Langley wrote: I want to make a plea to all of you who are Lightning owners to possibly help me. I have flown in the Green Landings Lightning, and just came back from a trip to Shelbyville where my brother in law and I sat in a Lightning that was on the floor. This was (I believe one of the new Lightnings with the narrow console and more room. To say that I was disappointed would be a minor statement; I was crushed! I just don't fit. To start with, I am a pretty big fellow, 6'-2" and 265lmb, but the main thing was that I had to tilt my head sideways when I closed the canopy, as did my brother in law, (he's 6'-3" and skinny). We were bumping shoulders, but I kind of expected that. I did not expect the lack of headroom though. I really love the aircraft, engine, and all the things about the Lightning except the room! I can't bring myself to give up on this little gem and am wondering if there are some things that could be done (besides cutting off my legs), that would create more room in the aircraft. I think if Arion designed a more spacious canopy, this could create a few more inches of headroom, but I understand that you don't just snap your fingers and this happens. My hips and waste felt fine in the aircraft, it was my shoulders and the headroom. I will be at Sun and Fun looking at airplanes and will hopefully see some of you there. Maybe we can some up with some ideas. I plan on getting in the demo _____ It's here! Your new message! Get new email alerts <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=49938/*http:/tools.search.yahoo.com/toolbar/feat ures/mail/> with the free Yahoo! Toolbar.




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   lightning-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm
  • Web Forum Interface To Lists
  •   http://forums.matronics.com
  • Matronics List Wiki
  •   http://wiki.matronics.com
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list
  • Browse Lightning-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contribution

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --