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1. 08:39 AM - A New Lightning Owner and SNF thoughts. (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
2. 09:02 AM - Back from SNF. (nick otterback)
3. 09:40 AM - Re: Back from SNF. (Brian Whittingham)
4. 09:47 AM - Paging Mark (Brian Whittingham)
5. 10:16 AM - Re: A New Lightning Owner and SNF thoughts. (Jim Langley)
6. 10:21 AM - Lightning Panel Design (Jim Langley)
7. 10:55 AM - stop on the beach (Kayberg@AOL.COM)
8. 11:02 AM - Re: stop on the beach (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
9. 11:24 AM - Re: Lightning Panel Design (nick otterback)
10. 12:45 PM - Re: Lightning Panel Design (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
11. 09:34 PM - Re: Lightning Panel Design (Jim Langley)
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Subject: | A New Lightning Owner and SNF thoughts. |
Jim,
Good to hear you persisted in your quest for the Lightning and it paid off.
I kind of felt that the newest seat design would work for you. Hope that
John Williams finds out the same thing.
You are on the right track to be studying the build manual while waiting for
you build start date. It will get you familiar with the way things go
together and probably save some time in the long run as you will understand what
the Green Landings team is having you do and the order that things need to be
done. I understand you will be doing your own panel, but it is certainly not
to early to be thinking about your panel layout. There is a web site you
can use to help with that: _http://www.epanelbuilder.com/_
(http://www.epanelbuilder.com/)
It allows you to pick instruments and avionics and move them around on your
panel outline to see what looks and works best for you. It used to be free,
but I think there is a minor charge now. And while you are at it, get one of
the three view Lightning line drawings, a box or colored pencils (or crayons
from your kids) and start working on your paint scheme and colors. That is
always a fun rainy day project. It is also not too early to go to the FAA
web site and reserve an N number for your kit. It only cost ten dollars a year
to reserve and you can request a special number and the site will tell you
if that number is available. Also, any and all time that you spend doing the
above type of stuff can be logged as part of your build time. Kit Log Pro is
a program developed by an EAA'er that helps keep track of all of this and
when you are done, just hit the print button on your computer and you have your
builders log to show to the FAA as documentation for your Repairman's
certificate.
Sun-N-Fun was great. I got home yesterday after 5.2 hours of flying time -
once again with a head wind. I made a fuel / rest stop in Lumberton, NC.
Saw the massive fires burning near Waycross, GA. My block to block speeds were
down because of the head winds so I only averaged 158 mph. Could not go
above about 7,500 due to heaver winds, so my fuel burn was high at 6.0 GPH. But
is was a beautiful day fly flying. I normally like to cruise higher to
improve the TAS and fuel burn.
>From all the people I met and talked to at Lakeland, it seems like the
Lightning team is going to get busy. I think we can expect several new Lightnings
to fly soon and probably many more to begin construction. I am already
looking forward to Oshkosh.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
N31BZ
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Glad to hear that everyone is arriving home well we arrived home yesterday afternoon,
here in SYI goo weather all the way but some strong head winds. I lost
count but i know we did at least 14 demos in N323AL at SNF, i think the experiances
were good and i am sure we might here of some now that everyone is home..
Nick
N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:
Jim,
Good to hear you persisted in your quest for the Lightning and it paid off.
I kind of felt that the newest seat design would work for you. Hope that John
Williams finds out the same thing.
You are on the right track to be studying the build manual while waiting for you build start date. It will get you familiar with the way things go together and probably save some time in the long run as you will understand what the Green Landings team is having you do and the order that things need to be done. I understand you will be doing your own panel, but it is certainly not to early to be thinking about your panel layout. There is a web site you can use to help with that: http://www.epanelbuilder.com/
It allows you to pick instruments and avionics and move them around on your panel
outline to see what looks and works best for you. It used to be free, but
I think there is a minor charge now. And while you are at it, get one of the
three view Lightning line drawings, a box or colored pencils (or crayons from
your kids) and start working on your paint scheme and colors. That is always
a fun rainy day project. It is also not too early to go to the FAA web site
and reserve an N number for your kit. It only cost ten dollars a year to reserve
and you can request a special number and the site will tell you if that number
is available. Also, any and all time that you spend doing the above type
of stuff can be logged as part of your build time. Kit Log Pro is a program
developed by an EAA'er that helps keep track of all of this and when you are
done, just hit the print button on your computer and you have your builders log
to show to the FAA as documentation for your
Repairman's certificate.
Sun-N-Fun was great. I got home yesterday after 5.2 hours of flying time - once
again with a head wind. I made a fuel / rest stop in Lumberton, NC. Saw
the massive fires burning near Waycross, GA. My block to block speeds were down
because of the head winds so I only averaged 158 mph. Could not go above about
7,500 due to heaver winds, so my fuel burn was high at 6.0 GPH. But is was
a beautiful day fly flying. I normally like to cruise higher to improve the
TAS and fuel burn.
From all the people I met and talked to at Lakeland, it seems like the Lightning
team is going to get busy. I think we can expect several new Lightnings to
fly soon and probably many more to begin construction. I am already looking
forward to Oshkosh.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
N31BZ
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Nick,
Will we be ready to do a baseline run without the mods for my testing by
Thursday? (note: it's supposed to storm on Thursday, but wil we be ready?)
I need my measurements on the left side PFD, airspeed in knots. Can we
reprogram for knots for just these tests without too much hassle? It'll
just be one less computation on my part. We're going to do climb/glide, max
speed, and stall speed tests. In between my baseline and modificaition runs
I'd like to take and attach a strip the way we talked onto the prototype's
rudder, to make sure it'll stay attached at speeds. Then after the mod I'll
let you go through the envelope again with the gap seals on to make sure we
don't have any problems with flutter or too sensitive a roll rate or
anything. Also see if we need to pitch the prop a little more due to a drag
reduction. I'm hoping to do this in two installments of tests, 10 hours in
the air or less. Then do some preliminary data reduction, make sure the
data is lining up as we'd expect, so that I don't have to refly any of the
profiles. Will be down tomorrow to discuss more. Brian W.
From: nick otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
Subject: Lightning-List: Back from SNF.
Glad to hear that everyone is arriving home well we arrived home yesterday
afternoon, here in SYI goo weather all the way but some strong head winds. I
lost count but i know we did at least 14 demos in N323AL at SNF, i think
the experiances were good and i am sure we might here of some now that
everyone is home..
Nick
N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:
Jim,
Good to hear you persisted in your quest for the Lightning and it paid
off. I kind of felt that the newest seat design would work for you. Hope
that John Williams finds out the same thing.
You are on the right track to be studying the build manual while waiting
for you build start date. It will get you familiar with the way things go
together and probably save some time in the long run as you will understand
what the Green Landings team is having you do and the order that things need
to be done. I understand you will be doing your own panel, but it is
certainly not to early to be thinking about your panel layout. There is a
web site you can use to help with that: http://www.epanelbuilder.com/
It allows you to pick instruments and avionics and move them around on
your panel outline to see what looks and works best for you. It used to be
free, but I think there is a minor charge now. And while you are at it, get
one of the three view Lightning line drawings, a box or colored pencils (or
crayons from your kids) and start working on your paint scheme and colors.
That is always a fun rainy day project. It is also not too early to go to
the FAA web site and reserve an N number for your kit. It only cost ten
dollars a year to reserve and you can request a special number and the site
will tell you if that number is available. Also, any and all time that you
spend doing the above type of stuff can be logged as part of your build
time. Kit Log Pro is a program developed by an EAA'er that helps keep track
of all of this and when you are done, just hit the print button on your
computer and you have your builders log to show to the FAA as documentation
for your
Repairman's certificate.
Sun-N-Fun was great. I got home yesterday after 5.2 hours of flying time
- once again with a head wind. I made a fuel / rest stop in Lumberton, NC.
Saw the massive fires burning near Waycross, GA. My block to block speeds
were down because of the head winds so I only averaged 158 mph. Could not
go above about 7,500 due to heaver winds, so my fuel burn was high at 6.0
GPH. But is was a beautiful day fly flying. I normally like to cruise
higher to improve the TAS and fuel burn.
From all the people I met and talked to at Lakeland, it seems like the
Lightning team is going to get busy. I think we can expect several new
Lightnings to fly soon and probably many more to begin construction. I am
already looking forward to Oshkosh.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
N31BZ
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Mark,
I have a mini-DV camera that I want to rig up somehow in 323AL for my
tests. It has an audio input so that I can call out all the data and have a
record without trying to fly and write. Additionally I've tested it and at
that short distance at wide angle I can record the actual instrumentation
and also verify my numbers that way. Ultimately it'd be best to have a shot
of at least the left hand of the instrument panel. I would also like to
have just a peak above the panel to kind of get an idea of the attitude
outside the aircraft. I have a mini tripod that can be folded into a pole,
only about 4-5 inches long. Any good ideas on how/where we could mount
this. Also, is Rick's EFIS back in yet? Would like to be there tomorrow to
fly before weather. Thanks, Brian W.
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Subject: | Re: A New Lightning Owner and SNF thoughts. |
Thanks Buzz for the good suggestions. I had subscribed to epanelbuilder
last year when I was building a Murphy Rebel. It worked great and was easy
to lay out several concepts before I came up with something that I wanted.
Good suggestion. I guess since the check is "in the mail" as of today, I
can go ahead an reserve my number. Do the Lightnings have a kit serial
number? That may be a part of the number.
I'll see what is available.
Jim!
On 4/24/07, N1BZRich@aol.com <N1BZRich@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Jim,
> Good to hear you persisted in your quest for the Lightning and it paid
> off. I kind of felt that the newest seat design would work for you. Hope
> that John Williams finds out the same thing.
>
> You are on the right track to be studying the build manual while waiting
> for you build start date. It will get you familiar with the way things go
> together and probably save some time in the long run as you will understand
> what the Green Landings team is having you do and the order that things need
> to be done. I understand you will be doing your own panel, but it is
> certainly not to early to be thinking about your panel layout. There is a
> web site you can use to help with that: http://www.epanelbuilder.com/
> It allows you to pick instruments and avionics and move them around on
> your panel outline to see what looks and works best for you. It used to be
> free, but I think there is a minor charge now. And while you are at it, get
> one of the three view Lightning line drawings, a box or colored pencils (or
> crayons from your kids) and start working on your paint scheme and colors.
> That is always a fun rainy day project. It is also not too early to go to
> the FAA web site and reserve an N number for your kit. It only cost ten
> dollars a year to reserve and you can request a special number and the site
> will tell you if that number is available. Also, any and all time that you
> spend doing the above type of stuff can be logged as part of your build
> time. Kit Log Pro is a program developed by an EAA'er that helps keep track
> of all of this and when you are done, just hit the print button on your
> computer and you have your builders log to show to the FAA as documentation
> for your Repairman's certificate.
>
>
> **
>
>
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Subject: | Lightning Panel Design |
Has anyone tried to create a panel with removable sections? I would divide
my panel in to three sections.
This is for a RV, but the concept is what I am thinking about. It makes for
very easy maintenance and change.
http://www.affordablepanels.com/panel_kits_files/IM000978.JPG
Plus, I think it looks cool. Makes for a nice two tone look.
I think there is a minimal weight gain. Is the solid panel a major
structural member in the Lightning design?
Jim!
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Subject: | stop on the beach |
Since the tide was out along the Georga coast, Ryan made a stop on the way
back yesterday.
check _www.greenlandings.com_ (http://www.greenlandings.com)
They left at the crack of dawn and made it back to Green Landings in 9 hours
with the Sky Ranger and just under 6 with the Lightning.
Doug Koenigsberg
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Subject: | Re: stop on the beach |
Fantastic photo, Doug. Tell Ryan he did great. But where is that bikini
clad beautiful lady we talked about? She was supposed to be posing by the
Lightning.
Great Job,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Panel Design |
Although the panel is not really structural, it does stiffen up the area alot and
i would discourage making it seperate parts. With the panel hoop in place and
the stiffiners at the top of the hoop to the sub bulkhead, and the panel than
in with the fuel panel tying that to the spar box, you can see how the structure
is very solid, with out this the panel and installation of heavy instruments
in may get flexy...
Nick
Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone tried to create a panel with removable sections? I would divide
my panel in to three sections.
This is for a RV, but the concept is what I am thinking about. It makes for
very easy maintenance and change.
http://www.affordablepanels.com/panel_kits_files/IM000978.JPG
Plus, I think it looks cool. Makes for a nice two tone look.
I think there is a minimal weight gain. Is the solid panel a major structural
member in the Lightning design?
Jim!
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Subject: | Re: Lightning Panel Design |
Jim,
I understand what you are trying to do with the panel in sections - make
the back of the instruments more assessable for hook ups, etc. However,
remember that Nick designed the panel glare shield to be removable just for this
purpose. It really does give good access to the back of the instruments.
Besides, a one piece panel is less prone to flex and adds some rigidity. The
"keep it simple" principal he used here will make it easier to install and
saves some weight.
Just my $0.02 worth. Your mileage may vary.
Buz
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Subject: | Lightning Panel Design |
Have any of you used the AvMap EKP IV?
How does it compare to the 396/496?
Jim!
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