---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 04/24/07: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:39 AM - A New Lightning Owner and SNF thoughts. (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 2. 09:02 AM - Back from SNF. (nick otterback) 3. 09:40 AM - Re: Back from SNF. (Brian Whittingham) 4. 09:47 AM - Paging Mark (Brian Whittingham) 5. 10:16 AM - Re: A New Lightning Owner and SNF thoughts. (Jim Langley) 6. 10:21 AM - Lightning Panel Design (Jim Langley) 7. 10:55 AM - stop on the beach (Kayberg@AOL.COM) 8. 11:02 AM - Re: stop on the beach (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 9. 11:24 AM - Re: Lightning Panel Design (nick otterback) 10. 12:45 PM - Re: Lightning Panel Design (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 11. 09:34 PM - Re: Lightning Panel Design (Jim Langley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:02 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: A New Lightning Owner and SNF thoughts. Jim, Good to hear you persisted in your quest for the Lightning and it paid off. I kind of felt that the newest seat design would work for you. Hope that John Williams finds out the same thing. You are on the right track to be studying the build manual while waiting for you build start date. It will get you familiar with the way things go together and probably save some time in the long run as you will understand what the Green Landings team is having you do and the order that things need to be done. I understand you will be doing your own panel, but it is certainly not to early to be thinking about your panel layout. There is a web site you can use to help with that: _http://www.epanelbuilder.com/_ (http://www.epanelbuilder.com/) It allows you to pick instruments and avionics and move them around on your panel outline to see what looks and works best for you. It used to be free, but I think there is a minor charge now. And while you are at it, get one of the three view Lightning line drawings, a box or colored pencils (or crayons from your kids) and start working on your paint scheme and colors. That is always a fun rainy day project. It is also not too early to go to the FAA web site and reserve an N number for your kit. It only cost ten dollars a year to reserve and you can request a special number and the site will tell you if that number is available. Also, any and all time that you spend doing the above type of stuff can be logged as part of your build time. Kit Log Pro is a program developed by an EAA'er that helps keep track of all of this and when you are done, just hit the print button on your computer and you have your builders log to show to the FAA as documentation for your Repairman's certificate. Sun-N-Fun was great. I got home yesterday after 5.2 hours of flying time - once again with a head wind. I made a fuel / rest stop in Lumberton, NC. Saw the massive fires burning near Waycross, GA. My block to block speeds were down because of the head winds so I only averaged 158 mph. Could not go above about 7,500 due to heaver winds, so my fuel burn was high at 6.0 GPH. But is was a beautiful day fly flying. I normally like to cruise higher to improve the TAS and fuel burn. >From all the people I met and talked to at Lakeland, it seems like the Lightning team is going to get busy. I think we can expect several new Lightnings to fly soon and probably many more to begin construction. I am already looking forward to Oshkosh. Blue Skies, Buz Rich N31BZ ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:02:15 AM PST US From: nick otterback Subject: Lightning-List: Back from SNF. Glad to hear that everyone is arriving home well we arrived home yesterday afternoon, here in SYI goo weather all the way but some strong head winds. I lost count but i know we did at least 14 demos in N323AL at SNF, i think the experiances were good and i am sure we might here of some now that everyone is home.. Nick N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: Jim, Good to hear you persisted in your quest for the Lightning and it paid off. I kind of felt that the newest seat design would work for you. Hope that John Williams finds out the same thing. You are on the right track to be studying the build manual while waiting for you build start date. It will get you familiar with the way things go together and probably save some time in the long run as you will understand what the Green Landings team is having you do and the order that things need to be done. I understand you will be doing your own panel, but it is certainly not to early to be thinking about your panel layout. There is a web site you can use to help with that: http://www.epanelbuilder.com/ It allows you to pick instruments and avionics and move them around on your panel outline to see what looks and works best for you. It used to be free, but I think there is a minor charge now. And while you are at it, get one of the three view Lightning line drawings, a box or colored pencils (or crayons from your kids) and start working on your paint scheme and colors. That is always a fun rainy day project. It is also not too early to go to the FAA web site and reserve an N number for your kit. It only cost ten dollars a year to reserve and you can request a special number and the site will tell you if that number is available. Also, any and all time that you spend doing the above type of stuff can be logged as part of your build time. Kit Log Pro is a program developed by an EAA'er that helps keep track of all of this and when you are done, just hit the print button on your computer and you have your builders log to show to the FAA as documentation for your Repairman's certificate. Sun-N-Fun was great. I got home yesterday after 5.2 hours of flying time - once again with a head wind. I made a fuel / rest stop in Lumberton, NC. Saw the massive fires burning near Waycross, GA. My block to block speeds were down because of the head winds so I only averaged 158 mph. Could not go above about 7,500 due to heaver winds, so my fuel burn was high at 6.0 GPH. But is was a beautiful day fly flying. I normally like to cruise higher to improve the TAS and fuel burn. From all the people I met and talked to at Lakeland, it seems like the Lightning team is going to get busy. I think we can expect several new Lightnings to fly soon and probably many more to begin construction. I am already looking forward to Oshkosh. Blue Skies, Buz Rich N31BZ --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:34 AM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Back from SNF. Nick, Will we be ready to do a baseline run without the mods for my testing by Thursday? (note: it's supposed to storm on Thursday, but wil we be ready?) I need my measurements on the left side PFD, airspeed in knots. Can we reprogram for knots for just these tests without too much hassle? It'll just be one less computation on my part. We're going to do climb/glide, max speed, and stall speed tests. In between my baseline and modificaition runs I'd like to take and attach a strip the way we talked onto the prototype's rudder, to make sure it'll stay attached at speeds. Then after the mod I'll let you go through the envelope again with the gap seals on to make sure we don't have any problems with flutter or too sensitive a roll rate or anything. Also see if we need to pitch the prop a little more due to a drag reduction. I'm hoping to do this in two installments of tests, 10 hours in the air or less. Then do some preliminary data reduction, make sure the data is lining up as we'd expect, so that I don't have to refly any of the profiles. Will be down tomorrow to discuss more. Brian W. From: nick otterback Subject: Lightning-List: Back from SNF. Glad to hear that everyone is arriving home well we arrived home yesterday afternoon, here in SYI goo weather all the way but some strong head winds. I lost count but i know we did at least 14 demos in N323AL at SNF, i think the experiances were good and i am sure we might here of some now that everyone is home.. Nick N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: Jim, Good to hear you persisted in your quest for the Lightning and it paid off. I kind of felt that the newest seat design would work for you. Hope that John Williams finds out the same thing. You are on the right track to be studying the build manual while waiting for you build start date. It will get you familiar with the way things go together and probably save some time in the long run as you will understand what the Green Landings team is having you do and the order that things need to be done. I understand you will be doing your own panel, but it is certainly not to early to be thinking about your panel layout. There is a web site you can use to help with that: http://www.epanelbuilder.com/ It allows you to pick instruments and avionics and move them around on your panel outline to see what looks and works best for you. It used to be free, but I think there is a minor charge now. And while you are at it, get one of the three view Lightning line drawings, a box or colored pencils (or crayons from your kids) and start working on your paint scheme and colors. That is always a fun rainy day project. It is also not too early to go to the FAA web site and reserve an N number for your kit. It only cost ten dollars a year to reserve and you can request a special number and the site will tell you if that number is available. Also, any and all time that you spend doing the above type of stuff can be logged as part of your build time. Kit Log Pro is a program developed by an EAA'er that helps keep track of all of this and when you are done, just hit the print button on your computer and you have your builders log to show to the FAA as documentation for your Repairman's certificate. Sun-N-Fun was great. I got home yesterday after 5.2 hours of flying time - once again with a head wind. I made a fuel / rest stop in Lumberton, NC. Saw the massive fires burning near Waycross, GA. My block to block speeds were down because of the head winds so I only averaged 158 mph. Could not go above about 7,500 due to heaver winds, so my fuel burn was high at 6.0 GPH. But is was a beautiful day fly flying. I normally like to cruise higher to improve the TAS and fuel burn. From all the people I met and talked to at Lakeland, it seems like the Lightning team is going to get busy. I think we can expect several new Lightnings to fly soon and probably many more to begin construction. I am already looking forward to Oshkosh. Blue Skies, Buz Rich N31BZ --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. _________________________________________________________________ Get a FREE Web site, company branded e-mail and more from Microsoft Office ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:47:58 AM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Lightning-List: Paging Mark Mark, I have a mini-DV camera that I want to rig up somehow in 323AL for my tests. It has an audio input so that I can call out all the data and have a record without trying to fly and write. Additionally I've tested it and at that short distance at wide angle I can record the actual instrumentation and also verify my numbers that way. Ultimately it'd be best to have a shot of at least the left hand of the instrument panel. I would also like to have just a peak above the panel to kind of get an idea of the attitude outside the aircraft. I have a mini tripod that can be folded into a pole, only about 4-5 inches long. Any good ideas on how/where we could mount this. Also, is Rick's EFIS back in yet? Would like to be there tomorrow to fly before weather. Thanks, Brian W. _________________________________________________________________ Mortgage rates near historic lows. Refinance $200,000 loan for as low as $771/month* https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=100000035&url=%2fst.jsp&tm=y&search=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f8&disc=y&vers=689&s=4056&p=5117 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:16:20 AM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: A New Lightning Owner and SNF thoughts. Thanks Buzz for the good suggestions. I had subscribed to epanelbuilder last year when I was building a Murphy Rebel. It worked great and was easy to lay out several concepts before I came up with something that I wanted. Good suggestion. I guess since the check is "in the mail" as of today, I can go ahead an reserve my number. Do the Lightnings have a kit serial number? That may be a part of the number. I'll see what is available. Jim! On 4/24/07, N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: > > Jim, > Good to hear you persisted in your quest for the Lightning and it paid > off. I kind of felt that the newest seat design would work for you. Hope > that John Williams finds out the same thing. > > You are on the right track to be studying the build manual while waiting > for you build start date. It will get you familiar with the way things go > together and probably save some time in the long run as you will understand > what the Green Landings team is having you do and the order that things need > to be done. I understand you will be doing your own panel, but it is > certainly not to early to be thinking about your panel layout. There is a > web site you can use to help with that: http://www.epanelbuilder.com/ > It allows you to pick instruments and avionics and move them around on > your panel outline to see what looks and works best for you. It used to be > free, but I think there is a minor charge now. And while you are at it, get > one of the three view Lightning line drawings, a box or colored pencils (or > crayons from your kids) and start working on your paint scheme and colors. > That is always a fun rainy day project. It is also not too early to go to > the FAA web site and reserve an N number for your kit. It only cost ten > dollars a year to reserve and you can request a special number and the site > will tell you if that number is available. Also, any and all time that you > spend doing the above type of stuff can be logged as part of your build > time. Kit Log Pro is a program developed by an EAA'er that helps keep track > of all of this and when you are done, just hit the print button on your > computer and you have your builders log to show to the FAA as documentation > for your Repairman's certificate. > > > ** > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:39 AM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel Design Has anyone tried to create a panel with removable sections? I would divide my panel in to three sections. This is for a RV, but the concept is what I am thinking about. It makes for very easy maintenance and change. http://www.affordablepanels.com/panel_kits_files/IM000978.JPG Plus, I think it looks cool. Makes for a nice two tone look. I think there is a minimal weight gain. Is the solid panel a major structural member in the Lightning design? Jim! ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:00 AM PST US From: Kayberg@AOL.COM Subject: Lightning-List: stop on the beach Since the tide was out along the Georga coast, Ryan made a stop on the way back yesterday. check _www.greenlandings.com_ (http://www.greenlandings.com) They left at the crack of dawn and made it back to Green Landings in 9 hours with the Sky Ranger and just under 6 with the Lightning. Doug Koenigsberg ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:01 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: stop on the beach Fantastic photo, Doug. Tell Ryan he did great. But where is that bikini clad beautiful lady we talked about? She was supposed to be posing by the Lightning. Great Job, Buz ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:24:27 AM PST US From: nick otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel Design Although the panel is not really structural, it does stiffen up the area alot and i would discourage making it seperate parts. With the panel hoop in place and the stiffiners at the top of the hoop to the sub bulkhead, and the panel than in with the fuel panel tying that to the spar box, you can see how the structure is very solid, with out this the panel and installation of heavy instruments in may get flexy... Nick Jim Langley wrote: Has anyone tried to create a panel with removable sections? I would divide my panel in to three sections. This is for a RV, but the concept is what I am thinking about. It makes for very easy maintenance and change. http://www.affordablepanels.com/panel_kits_files/IM000978.JPG Plus, I think it looks cool. Makes for a nice two tone look. I think there is a minimal weight gain. Is the solid panel a major structural member in the Lightning design? Jim! --------------------------------- Ahhh...imagining that irresistible "new car" smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:45:04 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel Design Jim, I understand what you are trying to do with the panel in sections - make the back of the instruments more assessable for hook ups, etc. However, remember that Nick designed the panel glare shield to be removable just for this purpose. It really does give good access to the back of the instruments. Besides, a one piece panel is less prone to flex and adds some rigidity. The "keep it simple" principal he used here will make it easier to install and saves some weight. Just my $0.02 worth. Your mileage may vary. Buz ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:34:08 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Panel Design Have any of you used the AvMap EKP IV? How does it compare to the 396/496? 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