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1. 05:30 AM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? (Tex Mantell)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? ()
3. 07:50 AM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? (Jerry Vanheeswyk)
4. 06:20 PM - Re: Going to Oshkosh? ()
5. 07:43 PM - Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL (N1BZRich@aol.com)
6. 08:34 PM - Re: Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL (Jim Langley)
7. 08:54 PM - Re: Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL (N1BZRich@aol.com)
8. 09:00 PM - Re: Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL (Jim Langley)
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Oshkosh? |
Peter, will look for you at the lighting booth, I will be helpng down at
the sea base the first two days, then up to the main area. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter and Jan Disher
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Going to Oshkosh?
G'Day Tex,
Peter Disher. Australia here.
Yes Tex, I will be there staying at the uni. from 22nd till the 30th,
will be there every day, hope to catch up with you.
Pete D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tex Mantell
To: lightning List
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Going to Oshkosh?
I would like to meet with others who are building Lightinings kits
at home. Tex
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Oshkosh? |
Tex,
Unfortunately, I'm not going to Oshkosh this year and I have not bought a kit yet,
although I too would like to build at home..
How are you getting on with yours? How is the build manual and the completeness
of the kit?
Are there any aspects that you have found particularly challenging?
How is tke time going? I'm thinking you have had the kit for almost a year now,
is that right? What is your prognosis for the total hours to finish?
Best regards
Colin K.
OK
---- Tex Mantell <wb2ssj@earthlink.net> wrote:
> I would like to meet with others who are building Lightinings kits at home.
Tex
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Oshkosh? |
Hello, Tex. I am building a lightning at home, but unfortunately can no
t
make Oshkosh this year. I have been working on my kit for about a year,
and
hope to fly by the end of 2007. I would be happy to exchange experience
s
with other homebuilders - sorry it can not be at Oshkosh, but hope to
show
you my Lightning in person next year.
Jerry Van Heeswyk
Tucson, Arizona
"Tex Mantell"
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the sea base the first two days, then up to the main area. Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Peter and Jan Disher
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Going to Oshkosh?
G'Day Tex,
Peter Disher. Australia here.
Yes Tex, I will be there staying at the uni. from 22nd till the 30th,
will
be there every day, hope to catch up with you.
Pete D.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tex Mantell
To: lightning List
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:21 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Going to Oshkosh?
I would like to meet with others who are building Lightinings kits at
home. Tex
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Going to Oshkosh? |
Jerry,
Would you share with us:
How are you getting on with your build? How is the build manual and the completeness
of the kit?
Are there any aspects that you have found particularly challenging?
What is your prognosis for the total hours to finish?
Best regards
Colin K.
OK
---- Jerry Vanheeswyk <jerryvan@us.ibm.com> wrote:
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> Hello, Tex. I am building a lightning at home, but unfortunately can not
> make Oshkosh this year. I have been working on my kit for about a year, and
> hope to fly by the end of 2007. I would be happy to exchange experiences
> with other homebuilders - sorry it can not be at Oshkosh, but hope to show
> you my Lightning in person next year.
>
> Jerry Van Heeswyk
> Tucson, Arizona
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> "Tex Mantell"
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> Peter, will look for you at the lighting booth, I will be helpng down at
> the sea base the first two days, then up to the main area. Tex
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Peter and Jan Disher
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:51 PM
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Going to Oshkosh?
>
> G'Day Tex,
> Peter Disher. Australia here.
> Yes Tex, I will be there staying at the uni. from 22nd till the 30th, will
> be there every day, hope to catch up with you.
> Pete D.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tex Mantell
> To: lightning List
> Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:21 AM
> Subject: Lightning-List: Going to Oshkosh?
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> I would like to meet with others who are building Lightinings kits at
> home. Tex
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| Subject: | Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL |
Hey guys,
As always, I will be at Oshkosh about a week early with my duties in th
e
Vintage area, but will then probably stay for the entire show. In past
years we have had a "list" get together to share info and experiences. As
someone else mentioned, the Lightning display area would probably be a good
place
to meet, leave messages, and "hang out". Since I will be there most of the
time, perhaps someone else should suggest a day and time to get together.
Another thought, I will probably again have a pretty good parking spot
for N31BZ since I get there so early. Last year I was just by the main
entrance to the homebuilt flight line in front of the tower and the big Air
Venture
arched sign. You guys are welcome to hang out there as well, or make that
your place to watch the airshow from.
I just got back from Tennessee this afternoon after being there a week
to fly the demonstrator Lightning (N323AL) and attend the engine seminar.
Of
course, both were outstanding. My flight evaluation of the demo Lightning
is
in draft form at this time and may be published in Sport Aviation in some
future issue along with Pete's article on how his company and the Lightning
came to be. Until then, I will copy some of the performance data and put i
t
below so you guys can keep up on what to expect from a production kit. Rem
ember
the last evaluation I wrote was on the "one of a kind" prototype where as
the demonstrator is exactly what a builder can expect from his kit.
It was a really hot day at SYI when I did the speed runs. OAT at 5000
'
was 72 degrees and density altitude was 6850'. Nick and I are convinced
that they still do not have the optimum prop on 323AL. They are awaiting
delivery of a Sensenich 62FK58, which should be closer to what this clean d
esign
needs for top cruise speeds. The speed numbers below were what I saw on thi
s
hot, high-density altitude day with a Sensenich 64ZK55 wood fixed pitch pro
p
which we took off of my airplane for this test. (2850 = 148 true mph, 2
950
= 155, 3050 = 162, 3150 = 168, and 3250 = 175). The correct prop o
n a
standard day should increase all of these numbers, possibly by at as much a
s 10
mph. One other thing of note, the day after this flight, Nick and I flew a
formation flight; him in 323AL and me in 31BZ which has a very accurate air
speed
system. The demonstrator Lightning=99s indicated and true airspeed r
eadings
appear to be pretty accurate at the low end of the operating range. Howeve
r at
the high end, N323AL seems to read 5 to 6 mph low, so I think you can safel
y
add 5 mph to all the above speeds.
The remainder of the flight report are similar to what I wrote for the
prototype, so I will not include that type of info here. I think Pete is
going to put that on the web site, but it is probably available in the arch
ives
of this list. I will try to answer any specific questions that you may ha
ve.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL |
Thanks once again Buz for an interesting piece of information. Is the best
guess right now a Sensenich 62FK58? I will be ordering my prop very shortly
and of course would like to have the latest up to date info before
committing on the order.
Jim!
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 10:40 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL
Hey guys,
As always, I will be at Oshkosh about a week early with my duties in the
Vintage area, but will then probably stay for the entire show. In past
years we have had a "list" get together to share info and experiences. As
someone else mentioned, the Lightning display area would probably be a good
place to meet, leave messages, and "hang out". Since I will be there most
of the time, perhaps someone else should suggest a day and time to get
together.
Another thought, I will probably again have a pretty good parking spot
for N31BZ since I get there so early. Last year I was just by the main
entrance to the homebuilt flight line in front of the tower and the big
AirVenture arched sign. You guys are welcome to hang out there as well, or
make that your place to watch the airshow from.
I just got back from Tennessee this afternoon after being there a week
to fly the demonstrator Lightning (N323AL) and attend the engine seminar.
Of course, both were outstanding. My flight evaluation of the demo
Lightning is in draft form at this time and may be published in Sport
Aviation in some future issue along with Pete's article on how his company
and the Lightning came to be. Until then, I will copy some of the
performance data and put it below so you guys can keep up on what to expect
from a production kit. Remember the last evaluation I wrote was on the "one
of a kind" prototype where as the demonstrator is exactly what a builder can
expect from his kit.
It was a really hot day at SYI when I did the speed runs. OAT at 5000'
was 72 degrees and density altitude was 6850'. Nick and I are convinced
that they still do not have the optimum prop on 323AL. They are awaiting
delivery of a Sensenich 62FK58, which should be closer to what this clean
design needs for top cruise speeds. The speed numbers below were what I saw
on this hot, high-density altitude day with a Sensenich 64ZK55 wood fixed
pitch prop which we took off of my airplane for this test. (2850 = 148
true mph, 2950 = 155, 3050 = 162, 3150 = 168, and 3250 = 175). The correct
prop on a standard day should increase all of these numbers, possibly by at
as much as 10 mph. One other thing of note, the day after this flight, Nick
and I flew a formation flight; him in 323AL and me in 31BZ which has a very
accurate airspeed system. The demonstrator Lightning's indicated and true
airspeed readings appear to be pretty accurate at the low end of the
operating range. However at the high end, N323AL seems to read 5 to 6 mph
low, so I think you can safely add 5 mph to all the above speeds.
The remainder of the flight report are similar to what I wrote for the
prototype, so I will not include that type of info here. I think Pete is
going to put that on the web site, but it is probably available in the
archives of this list. I will try to answer any specific questions that you
may have.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL |
Hi Jim,
If you can wait a week or two, Nick should have received the first
62FK58 and he will immediately start testing that prop. Until the test results
are in, it is just an educated guess as to which works best. Based on what we
see with the ZK blade profile, I would think the best prop for the Lightning
in that series would be a 64ZK56, but Sensenich says the FK series will be
faster. Apparently picking the right prop is part science, part magic and part
voodoo.
Buz
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| Subject: | Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL |
I guess I'll have to get my chickens and dolls out then.
Hee hee.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 11:53 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Oshkosh and Flight Evaluation on N323AL
Apparently picking the right prop is part science, part magic and part
voodoo.
Buz
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