---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 07/11/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:35 AM - Re: Setting the wing incidence on the Lightning (Brian Whittingham) 2. 02:55 AM - key locking (Peter and Jan Disher) 3. 04:27 AM - Re: Setting the wing incidence on the Lightning (Jim Langley) 4. 11:33 AM - Re: Article: 105 Helium Balloons and a Lawn Chair (nick otterback) 5. 11:54 AM - Re: Article: 105 Helium Balloons and a Lawn Chair (N1BZRich@aol.com) 6. 02:35 PM - Re: Article: 105 Helium Balloons and a Lawn Chair (Brian Whittingham) 7. 07:26 PM - Off to build! (Jim Langley) 8. 07:48 PM - Re: Off to build! (Colin J. Kennedy) 9. 09:04 PM - Re: Great Picture of Man in Lawn Chair with Balloons Flying over Mountains (Charles Dewey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:32 AM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Setting the wing incidence on the Lightning Jim, One thing that I had thought about doing when I was still living in Shelbyville was to make a scale model lightning. I have a copy of the wing planform, but Nick probably has a better one. I think that a scratch built Lightning R/C model would be a lot of fun to make and fly and thought that it'd make a great addition at Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh to put beside a real plane! Just a thought for you R/Cers out there. Brian W. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:16 AM PST US From: "Peter and Jan Disher" Subject: Lightning-List: key locking To All, 2 more pictures. Peter Disher You have been sent 2 pictures. IMG_2571.JPG IMG_2573.JPG These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. Try it out here: http://picasa.google.com/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:27:43 AM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Setting the wing incidence on the Lightning There is a company called Experimental Aircraft Models, http://www.rchomebuilts.com They do this sort of thing and sell it to the RC community. Some of their kits are composite and quite realistic! I just sent them and email to see if they have any interest. Great idea... Jim! -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Whittingham Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 5:34 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Setting the wing incidence on the Lightning Jim, One thing that I had thought about doing when I was still living in Shelbyville was to make a scale model lightning. I have a copy of the wing planform, but Nick probably has a better one. I think that a scratch built Lightning R/C model would be a lot of fun to make and fly and thought that it'd make a great addition at Sun-n-Fun or Oshkosh to put beside a real plane! Just a thought for you R/Cers out there. Brian W. _________________________________________________________________ http://liveearth.msn.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:33:28 AM PST US From: nick otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Article: 105 Helium Balloons and a Lawn Chair I believe a pusher configuration would be best considering the thrust line and resulting moment with the ballons on top.......of course i am not sure if accepted aerodynamic theroy applies here! nick N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: Now, just think about a lawn chair with helium balloons and a Jabiru 2200 engine. Buz --------------------------------- See what's free at AOL.com. --------------------------------- Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:41 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Article: 105 Helium Balloons and a Lawn Chair In a message dated 7/10/2007 8:39:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lozhoffman@yahoo.com writes: Images of a largely horizontal format with the 2200 followed by the deckchair followed by the helium balloons! Laurie, Based on your comment above and Nick's suggestion for a pusher configuration lawn chair, I have come up with the following design. First, Nick's pusher lawn chair is hung under the balloons with rigid attachments, and then the balloons are encased in a light weight frame and net affair that forces the balloons into the shape of a blimp. An elevator and rudder behind the pusher prop would also be used. That should work, but I am not too sure how you determine gross weight of an "airship" that has neutral buoyancy. Also, how about stall speed, demonstrated cross wind capability, etc., etc. Inquiring minds want to know. Thoughts? Blue Skies, Buz PS: Damn, it's hot outside. That's why I'm inside working on these super secret designs to add to the Lightning skunk works list of future projects. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:22 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Article: 105 Helium Balloons and a Lawn Chair Yes, I think this is beyond textbook aerodynamics here. Wonder if they have a world record for (lighter than air?) chairs and ballons longest flight? I have done a lot of research on early Navy rigid airships. I am particularly interested in writing a book on the disaster of the Shenandoah. They never landed crosswind, they come in to a mooring mast that had a pivot head on it. That way it swung around like a wind sock. Or in the case of the Shenandoah, gets ripped off the mast in a major storm and limps around the sky. Pretty cool though. Plans for a 1,000' lighter than air aircraft carrier was planned when the program cancelled. I've got an artist pic of corsairs flying off the thing. Very interesting. Brian W. From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Article: 105 Helium Balloons and a Lawn Chair In a message dated 7/10/2007 8:39:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, lozhoffman@yahoo.com writes: Images of a largely horizontal format with the 2200 followed by the deckchair followed by the helium balloons! Laurie, Based on your comment above and Nick's suggestion for a pusher configuration lawn chair, I have come up with the following design. First, Nick's pusher lawn chair is hung under the balloons with rigid attachments, and then the balloons are encased in a light weight frame and net affair that forces the balloons into the shape of a blimp. An elevator and rudder behind the pusher prop would also be used. That should work, but I am not too sure how you determine gross weight of an "airship" that has neutral buoyancy. Also, how about stall speed, demonstrated cross wind capability, etc., etc. Inquiring minds want to know. Thoughts? Blue Skies, Buz PS: Damn, it's hot outside. That's why I'm inside working on these super secret designs to add to the Lightning skunk works list of future projects. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. _________________________________________________________________ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:11 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Lightning-List: Off to build! The kit is in and I'm off to Green Landings for 5 days to start on my Lightning. I have to say that I am very excited and in spite of some delays in getting the kit to WV, it all worked out and we are ready to rock and roll! I will be taking a bunch of pictures and documenting everything that I am doing. I am also prepping for an article that may go in either Sport Aviation or Sport Pilot. In speaking with Mary at EAA today, we are going to hold off and see what the focus of the article is going to be. I want to do something along the line of the builder's experience in the builder's assist program with some focus on the Lightning. This would allow me to put the article in Sport Pilot because even though I am not going light sport, I can talk about the Lightning and how is can be build as a light sport or straight experimental aircraft. I have a web site with nothing in it at this time, www.jimslightning.com I will be updating it as I go. Unless Ryan has wireless at Green Landings, I will not have internet access, so I'll just say adios and will check back in next week. Jim! N730AL ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:15 PM PST US From: "Colin J. Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Off to build! Good luck Jim - I can understand your excitement! A lot has been written on this forum about the Lightning's flying qualities, but relatively little about the build process. I am looking forward to your reports very much. Colin K. OK > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim > Langley > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2007 9:23 PM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Off to build! > > The kit is in and I'm off to Green Landings for 5 days to start on my > Lightning. > > I have to say that I am very excited and in spite of some delays in > getting the kit to WV, it all worked out and we are ready to rock and > roll! > > I will be taking a bunch of pictures and documenting everything that I am > doing. I am also prepping for an article that may go in either Sport > Aviation or Sport Pilot. In speaking with Mary at EAA today, we are going > to hold off and see what the focus of the article is going to be. I want > to do something along the line of the builder's experience in the > builder's assist program with some focus on the Lightning. This would > allow me to put the article in Sport Pilot because even though I am not > going light sport, I can talk about the Lightning and how is can be build > as a light sport or straight experimental aircraft. > > I have a web site with nothing in it at this time, www.jimslightning.com > > I will be updating it as I go. > > Unless Ryan has wireless at Green Landings, I will not have internet > access, so I'll just say adios and will check back in next week. > > Jim! > N730AL ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:04:11 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Great Picture of Man in Lawn Chair with Balloons Flying over Mountains Here is a link for a photograph of the nut in the lawn chair high above some majestic, snow-capped mountains. Enjoy! http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,288809,00.html --- Jim Langley wrote: > The kit is in and I'm off to Green Landings for 5 > days to start on my > Lightning. > > I have to say that I am very excited and in spite of > some delays in getting > the kit to WV, it all worked out and we are ready to > rock and roll! > > I will be taking a bunch of pictures and documenting > everything that I am > doing. I am also prepping for an article that may > go in either Sport > Aviation or Sport Pilot. In speaking with Mary at > EAA today, we are going > to hold off and see what the focus of the article is > going to be. I want to > do something along the line of the builder's > experience in the builder's > assist program with some focus on the Lightning. > This would allow me to put > the article in Sport Pilot because even though I am > not going light sport, I > can talk about the Lightning and how is can be build > as a light sport or > straight experimental aircraft. > > I have a web site with nothing in it at this time, > www.jimslightning.com > > I will be updating it as I go. > > Unless Ryan has wireless at Green Landings, I will > not have internet access, > so I'll just say adios and will check back in next > week. > > Jim! > N730AL > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.