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1. 07:57 AM - Re: Pricing (deuskid)
2. 08:53 AM - Re: Re: Pricing (Pete)
3. 10:51 AM - modded parts (Tex Mantell)
4. 03:05 PM - Aluminum Spinner (Pete)
5. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Pricing (nick otterback)
6. 07:06 PM - Re: Off to build! (pequeajim)
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pete(at)flylightning.net wrote:
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> Those who are not as cosmopolitan and refined as this poster and choose to
> come to Podunk, TN (better known as Shelbyville - capital of the Tennessee
> walking horse) will spend an additional $9,600 to help get his airplane
> built in three weeks.
>
> Pete Krotje
> Arion Aircraft, LLC
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Clarification question to this point made:
On your website you talk about coming for a week then having it painted then coming
back a second week and finishing up. Here 3 weeks are suggested. Are you
finding that most take 3?
What is the breakdown [major points] completed by week?
If one wanted to 'begin' at your place then trailer it back for completion at what
point would be a good cut off?
What should I have asked about builder assist [or what do you wish to share/expand
upon]?
Thanks,
John
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>From the web site description of the build assist program:
"If panel installation is not too complicated a builder can usually get the
aircraft ready for it's airworthiness inspection after two or three days in
the third and final week."
"The final step in the aircraft construction is the test flight program to
complete the required 40 hours of test flying. Usually the aircraft would
be ready for its first flight after inspection in the middle of the third
week."
So to answer your question - yes - it does take more than two weeks to get
the plane to flight worthy state. Most builders get it inspected on
Wednesday of the third week and spend Thursday and Friday on taxi testing
and first flights. Rigging adjustments and other adjustments are made
during those two days leaving the builder with an aircraft with most of the
bugs worked out and ready to finish the 40 hour fly off.
There are two natural break points. One is after the first week when the
structure is complete except for canopy. The second is after paint but
before the wings are reattached but after the tail, canopy and panel are in.
Pete
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Sent: Friday, July 13, 2007 9:55 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Pricing
pete(at)flylightning.net wrote:
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> Those who are not as cosmopolitan and refined as this poster and choose to
> come to Podunk, TN (better known as Shelbyville - capital of the Tennessee
> walking horse) will spend an additional $9,600 to help get his airplane
> built in three weeks.
>
> Pete Krotje
> Arion Aircraft, LLC
>
> --
Clarification question to this point made:
On your website you talk about coming for a week then having it painted then
coming back a second week and finishing up. Here 3 weeks are suggested.
Are you finding that most take 3?
What is the breakdown [major points] completed by week?
If one wanted to 'begin' at your place then trailer it back for completion
at what point would be a good cut off?
What should I have asked about builder assist [or what do you wish to
share/expand upon]?
Thanks,
John
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=123587#123587
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Pete, would it be possible to get a day during Oshkosh to go see the
wings and other parts being assembled? I am under the impression that
its done somewhere local to Oshkosk.
Tex
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Subject: | Aluminum Spinner |
Some photos attached of the new aluminum spinner. This one is chromed. It
has made a great deal of difference in the smoothness of the engine / prop
even though the fiberglass spinner we had on there was straight & balanced.
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During the first week of assist the airframe is completed to the point where we
take it to the paint shop. The basic structure is done, the engine is hung to
allow fitting of the cowling. i gues most easy to explain is what we do not do
in the first week. We do not put the canopy on, the paint shop perfers it off
so they do not wreck it. the wheel pants are not fitted, these are an option
and hense they would require more of our time to help you install them above
and beyond the normal work accomplished, these are time consuming but are well
worth the effort for performance, so on that note most customers fit them on
a rainy day during their flight testing. landing light is also an option and would
involve more time to fit. The airframe is on its gear the wings and all assemblies
have been fitted. During the second week all flight controls are installed
for the final time. The brakes are blead, rudder rigged, elevator and trim
systems rigged and fitted. Ailerons are rigged
at the wings with final rigging to go. fuel systems are completed, all firewall
forward systems are completed. The instrument panel, if our shop has wired it,
will get installed and some wring completed. The canopy and all associated
items are finished and bonded on friday as to allow it to cure well over the weekend.
The thrid week is to finish up wiring, install the wings for the final
time. Finish any systems associated with the wing install. We paln to have an
inspection on Wednesday or Thrusday night of the thrid week, and weather permitting
a first flight on friday. I know this seams intense, and it is, but we
have completed many Lightnings in this time frame and are very confident in it.
Now some things to consider about this, landing lights would have to be fitted
before paint, but can not be fitted during that first week because we have
to keep on schedule to finish by friday of the first week, normally we can do
it after the first week for a fee. Also it saves
you money to fit the wheel pants during your flight testing, your here and it
will rain, so its good time spent and we dont have to charge you. Auto pilots
are another thing some people like we do not doing anything with them during those
3 weeks except if you order it the head unit will be installe din the panel,
but there will be extra time to install the servos, mounts, and pushrods for
them. This may answer some questions or it might bring up some more either
way something to think about...
nick
deuskid <empire.john@gmail.com> wrote:
pete(at)flylightning.net wrote:
>
>
>
> Those who are not as cosmopolitan and refined as this poster and choose to
> come to Podunk, TN (better known as Shelbyville - capital of the Tennessee
> walking horse) will spend an additional $9,600 to help get his airplane
> built in three weeks.
>
> Pete Krotje
> Arion Aircraft, LLC
>
> --
Clarification question to this point made:
On your website you talk about coming for a week then having it painted then coming
back a second week and finishing up. Here 3 weeks are suggested. Are you
finding that most take 3?
What is the breakdown [major points] completed by week?
If one wanted to 'begin' at your place then trailer it back for completion at what
point would be a good cut off?
What should I have asked about builder assist [or what do you wish to share/expand
upon]?
Thanks,
John
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Subject: | Re: Off to build! |
Just for fun, I thought I would keep a diary while I am down at Green Landings.
They are currently building two Lightnings, and finishing one.
It's kind of neat to walk in the hangar and see four Lightnings, (including Ryan's).
Mine is in the early stages, but I'm catching up!
The build process went slower today, but we still got a fair amount done. Tomorrow
we will do the controls, (no rigging), so that is out of the way before we
paint; plus several misc. items to prepare the aircraft for painting. I'm pretty
happy so far. I'm not sure how far the kits built in Shelbyville are along
after two days, but we seem to be making good progress.
Worked on today.
- Fitted, refitted, refitted, and finally fitted wings!
- Corrected my horizontal stab problem from yesterday. (Man, I love composites).
- Finished the brakes, and installed tubes and tires; they bounce!
- Installed the spar box
- Installed up front air vents
- Partially assembled the nose gear bracket, attached it to gear leg.
- Took several panel dimensions, including hinge placement.
I looks like we are going to finish over the stab gaps. If I really had to take
them off, I could hot cut the joints, but that's not going to happen.
It would be nice to see a little better tolerances for the wing and horizontal
stab. I'm not complaining, but just a thought.
BTW: A nice surprise in my kit from the boys in Shelbyville. Aileron hinge covers!
Very nice... Unfortunatly, I think I only was shipped three. I'm going
to look through my kit contents again for the other three.
See you all tomorrow night.
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