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1. 06:29 AM - Re: Andair valves (Mark Stauffer)
2. 06:50 AM - Re: Andair valves (N1BZRich@AOL.COM)
3. 07:28 AM - Re: Andair valves (Brian Whittingham)
4. 09:00 AM - Re: Andair valves (N1BZRich@aol.com)
5. 03:42 PM - Re: Andair valves (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
6. 03:43 PM - Re: Andair valves (Jim Langley)
7. 04:39 PM - Re: Andair valves (Brian Whittingham)
8. 06:33 PM - Re: Andair valves (Jim Langley)
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Jim,
Consider the FS20x3 and FS20x7. I believe that both Linda Mathais and
Joe
Cooper used the FS20x7.
Go to their web site http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html and you
can
configure the valve just about any way you like. I suggest that you
configure it with either 1/8 NPT or =BC NPT female fittings on all
sides. This
way you can use inexpensive brass elbows (90 & 45 with a =BC barb on the
other
end) to connect up to the fuel line supplied with the kit. If I had my
choice I=92d use the 1/8 NPT fitting at least on the inlets because the
1/8
brass elbows are smaller and you=92re working with limited space in the
center
console.
These options weren=92t available when working with Joe and Linda=92s
planes. We
had to buy reducers from AN6 fittings to =BC barbs. It works just fine
but is
bulky and adds weight.
Hope this helps.
Mark
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Langley
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Andair valves
You folks that have used the andair fuel valves in your Lightning, can
you
tell me which model you used?
Also, what fittings did you use?
Thanks
Jim!
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Subject: | Re: Andair valves |
I used the new FS20x7 model and think it is the way to go. The difference
is it only requires a 90 degree turn from left to right tank, verses a 180
degree turn on the FS20x3. I think I got one of the first ones of these, but
had to get it directly from England as they were not yet available in the US at
the time. Works great.
Another thought - the practice of using two "ON -OFF" fuel valves leave the
possibility of having two tanks on at the same time. OK in a high wing
aircraft, but a potential problem in a low wing aircraft. Low wing aircraft
should generally not have a both position. Why? If you have both tanks selected
on a low wing aircraft and one tank runs dry the engine will likely starve
for fuel. Why? Well, which is it easier for the engine fuel pump to "suck" to
the engine, air or fuel? You "flame out" with perfectly good fuel on board.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Andair valves |
Buz,
I can certainly tell you that I wished that I had that fuel selector. On
one of my Lightning flights I had left both fuel tanks to the open position
and ran for about 3-4 hours, then did a touch and go and rolled onto
crosswind and the engine started to go at 500 feet. Rolled wings level and
it smoothed out, made that my final stop. On the ground I found one tank
dry and one tank nearly completely full, so it really doesn't even burn from
both very evenly if you leave it in that config.
Also, don't you have on that fuel selector something that keeps it from
rotating if you bump it? Like you have to pull out and rotate or push a
button or something? Just thought I remembered that. Brian W.
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves
I used the new FS20x7 model and think it is the way to go. The difference
is it only requires a 90 degree turn from left to right tank, verses a 180
degree turn on the FS20x3. I think I got one of the first ones of these,
but
had to get it directly from England as they were not yet available in the
US at
the time. Works great.
Another thought - the practice of using two "ON -OFF" fuel valves leave the
possibility of having two tanks on at the same time. OK in a high wing
aircraft, but a potential problem in a low wing aircraft. Low wing
aircraft
should generally not have a both position. Why? If you have both tanks
selected
on a low wing aircraft and one tank runs dry the engine will likely starve
for fuel. Why? Well, which is it easier for the engine fuel pump to
"suck" to
the engine, air or fuel? You "flame out" with perfectly good fuel on
board.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Andair valves |
Hi Brian,
What you are remembering is the pull knob that you must pull to select
the off position. When selecting right or left tank you don't need to pull
it, but there is a definite detent feel when you are in the correct left or
right position.
How are things in Texas? Doing any flying?
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Andair valves |
Andair valvesJim,
Mark and Buz' info was right on; one further suggestion: buy it
from Aircraft Spruce if you can. We ordered ours from the UK and with
the weak dollar, it cost us a lot more than we would have paid in the
US.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:22 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Andair valves
You folks that have used the andair fuel valves in your Lightning,
can you tell me which model you used?
Also, what fittings did you use?
Thanks
Jim!
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Thanks guys. That is what I will order.
Jim!
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark
Stauffer
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:24 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Andair valves
Jim,
Consider the FS20x3 and FS20x7. I believe that both Linda Mathais and
Joe
Cooper used the FS20x7.
Go to their web site http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html and you
can
configure the valve just about any way you like. I suggest that you
configure it with either 1/8 NPT or =BC NPT female fittings on all
sides. This
way you can use inexpensive brass elbows (90 & 45 with a =BC barb on the
other
end) to connect up to the fuel line supplied with the kit. If I had my
choice I=92d use the 1/8 NPT fitting at least on the inlets because the
1/8
brass elbows are smaller and you=92re working with limited space in the
center
console.
These options weren=92t available when working with Joe and Linda=92s
planes. We
had to buy reducers from AN6 fittings to =BC barbs. It works just fine
but is
bulky and adds weight.
Hope this helps.
Mark
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Langley
Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Andair valves
You folks that have used the andair fuel valves in your Lightning, can
you
tell me which model you used?
Also, what fittings did you use?
Thanks
Jim!
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Subject: | Re: Andair valves |
Buz,
Yes, that was it, so that you didn't accidentally put it in the off
position. Knew I remembered something like that and that would make sense.
I am doing some flying here. Right now I'm working doing aerial photography
part time. I also am biting the bullet finally and am going to finish my
CFI. I already have a job lined up when I finish that. I am lacking about
50 hours multi time to go to the regionals, but will probably do a lot of
dual given and work towards one day doing Southwest Airlines. I know a
couple of SWA pilots here and I do a lot better with their personalities
than airline pilots of other airlines. Instructors get paid really well
here though and there seems to be great demand, and I'm okay with teaching
for a few years to come.
I do have to admit, I am missing going from a sporty performer like the
Lightning to a heavy handed plane like the Arrow, or the Cessna Skychicken.
They're good solid planes and have never let me down, but just don't have
the performance and manueverability like the Lightning. Still, can't
complain too much, it's going to keep me flying for years to come and bring
in a little money too! Thanks for asking, Brian W.
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves
Hi Brian,
What you are remembering is the pull knob that you must pull to select
the off position. When selecting right or left tank you don't need to pull
it, but there is a definite detent feel when you are in the correct left or
right position.
How are things in Texas? Doing any flying?
Buz
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Buz:
What size fittings and type, (male/female) did you put in?
I like the idea of female on the valve.
Jim!
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves
I used the new FS20x7 model and think it is the way to go. The difference
is it only requires a 90 degree turn from left to right tank, verses a 180
degree turn on the FS20x3. I think I got one of the first ones of these,
but had to get it directly from England as they were not yet available in
the US at the time. Works great.
Another thought - the practice of using two "ON -OFF" fuel valves leave the
possibility of having two tanks on at the same time. OK in a high wing
aircraft, but a potential problem in a low wing aircraft. Low wing aircraft
should generally not have a both position. Why? If you have both tanks
selected on a low wing aircraft and one tank runs dry the engine will likely
starve for fuel. Why? Well, which is it easier for the engine fuel pump to
"suck" to the engine, air or fuel? You "flame out" with perfectly good fuel
on board.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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