---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/04/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:29 AM - Re: Andair valves (Mark Stauffer) 2. 06:50 AM - Re: Andair valves (N1BZRich@AOL.COM) 3. 07:28 AM - Re: Andair valves (Brian Whittingham) 4. 09:00 AM - Re: Andair valves (N1BZRich@aol.com) 5. 03:42 PM - Re: Andair valves (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS) 6. 03:43 PM - Re: Andair valves (Jim Langley) 7. 04:39 PM - Re: Andair valves (Brian Whittingham) 8. 06:33 PM - Re: Andair valves (Jim Langley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:07 AM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Andair valves Jim, Consider the FS20x3 and FS20x7. I believe that both Linda Mathais and Joe Cooper used the FS20x7. Go to their web site http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html and you can configure the valve just about any way you like. I suggest that you configure it with either 1/8 NPT or =BC NPT female fittings on all sides. This way you can use inexpensive brass elbows (90 & 45 with a =BC barb on the other end) to connect up to the fuel line supplied with the kit. If I had my choice I=92d use the 1/8 NPT fitting at least on the inlets because the 1/8 brass elbows are smaller and you=92re working with limited space in the center console. These options weren=92t available when working with Joe and Linda=92s planes. We had to buy reducers from AN6 fittings to =BC barbs. It works just fine but is bulky and adds weight. Hope this helps. Mark From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Andair valves You folks that have used the andair fuel valves in your Lightning, can you tell me which model you used? Also, what fittings did you use? Thanks Jim! ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:50:12 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves I used the new FS20x7 model and think it is the way to go. The difference is it only requires a 90 degree turn from left to right tank, verses a 180 degree turn on the FS20x3. I think I got one of the first ones of these, but had to get it directly from England as they were not yet available in the US at the time. Works great. Another thought - the practice of using two "ON -OFF" fuel valves leave the possibility of having two tanks on at the same time. OK in a high wing aircraft, but a potential problem in a low wing aircraft. Low wing aircraft should generally not have a both position. Why? If you have both tanks selected on a low wing aircraft and one tank runs dry the engine will likely starve for fuel. Why? Well, which is it easier for the engine fuel pump to "suck" to the engine, air or fuel? You "flame out" with perfectly good fuel on board. Blue Skies, Buz http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:17 AM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves Buz, I can certainly tell you that I wished that I had that fuel selector. On one of my Lightning flights I had left both fuel tanks to the open position and ran for about 3-4 hours, then did a touch and go and rolled onto crosswind and the engine started to go at 500 feet. Rolled wings level and it smoothed out, made that my final stop. On the ground I found one tank dry and one tank nearly completely full, so it really doesn't even burn from both very evenly if you leave it in that config. Also, don't you have on that fuel selector something that keeps it from rotating if you bump it? Like you have to pull out and rotate or push a button or something? Just thought I remembered that. Brian W. From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves I used the new FS20x7 model and think it is the way to go. The difference is it only requires a 90 degree turn from left to right tank, verses a 180 degree turn on the FS20x3. I think I got one of the first ones of these, but had to get it directly from England as they were not yet available in the US at the time. Works great. Another thought - the practice of using two "ON -OFF" fuel valves leave the possibility of having two tanks on at the same time. OK in a high wing aircraft, but a potential problem in a low wing aircraft. Low wing aircraft should generally not have a both position. Why? If you have both tanks selected on a low wing aircraft and one tank runs dry the engine will likely starve for fuel. Why? Well, which is it easier for the engine fuel pump to "suck" to the engine, air or fuel? You "flame out" with perfectly good fuel on board. Blue Skies, Buz http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _________________________________________________________________ See what youre getting intobefore you go there http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_preview_0507 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:00:35 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves Hi Brian, What you are remembering is the pull knob that you must pull to select the off position. When selecting right or left tank you don't need to pull it, but there is a definite detent feel when you are in the correct left or right position. How are things in Texas? Doing any flying? Buz http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:44 PM PST US From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves Andair valvesJim, Mark and Buz' info was right on; one further suggestion: buy it from Aircraft Spruce if you can. We ordered ours from the UK and with the weak dollar, it cost us a lot more than we would have paid in the US. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 11:22 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Andair valves You folks that have used the andair fuel valves in your Lightning, can you tell me which model you used? Also, what fittings did you use? Thanks Jim! ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:43:41 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Andair valves Thanks guys. That is what I will order. Jim! _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Andair valves Jim, Consider the FS20x3 and FS20x7. I believe that both Linda Mathais and Joe Cooper used the FS20x7. Go to their web site http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html and you can configure the valve just about any way you like. I suggest that you configure it with either 1/8 NPT or =BC NPT female fittings on all sides. This way you can use inexpensive brass elbows (90 & 45 with a =BC barb on the other end) to connect up to the fuel line supplied with the kit. If I had my choice I=92d use the 1/8 NPT fitting at least on the inlets because the 1/8 brass elbows are smaller and you=92re working with limited space in the center console. These options weren=92t available when working with Joe and Linda=92s planes. We had to buy reducers from AN6 fittings to =BC barbs. It works just fine but is bulky and adds weight. Hope this helps. Mark From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Friday, August 03, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Andair valves You folks that have used the andair fuel valves in your Lightning, can you tell me which model you used? Also, what fittings did you use? Thanks Jim! http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:39:57 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves Buz, Yes, that was it, so that you didn't accidentally put it in the off position. Knew I remembered something like that and that would make sense. I am doing some flying here. Right now I'm working doing aerial photography part time. I also am biting the bullet finally and am going to finish my CFI. I already have a job lined up when I finish that. I am lacking about 50 hours multi time to go to the regionals, but will probably do a lot of dual given and work towards one day doing Southwest Airlines. I know a couple of SWA pilots here and I do a lot better with their personalities than airline pilots of other airlines. Instructors get paid really well here though and there seems to be great demand, and I'm okay with teaching for a few years to come. I do have to admit, I am missing going from a sporty performer like the Lightning to a heavy handed plane like the Arrow, or the Cessna Skychicken. They're good solid planes and have never let me down, but just don't have the performance and manueverability like the Lightning. Still, can't complain too much, it's going to keep me flying for years to come and bring in a little money too! Thanks for asking, Brian W. From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves Hi Brian, What you are remembering is the pull knob that you must pull to select the off position. When selecting right or left tank you don't need to pull it, but there is a definite detent feel when you are in the correct left or right position. How are things in Texas? Doing any flying? Buz http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Caf open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:05 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Andair valves Buz: What size fittings and type, (male/female) did you put in? I like the idea of female on the valve. Jim! _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Andair valves I used the new FS20x7 model and think it is the way to go. The difference is it only requires a 90 degree turn from left to right tank, verses a 180 degree turn on the FS20x3. I think I got one of the first ones of these, but had to get it directly from England as they were not yet available in the US at the time. Works great. Another thought - the practice of using two "ON -OFF" fuel valves leave the possibility of having two tanks on at the same time. OK in a high wing aircraft, but a potential problem in a low wing aircraft. Low wing aircraft should generally not have a both position. Why? If you have both tanks selected on a low wing aircraft and one tank runs dry the engine will likely starve for fuel. Why? Well, which is it easier for the engine fuel pump to "suck" to the engine, air or fuel? You "flame out" with perfectly good fuel on board. Blue Skies, Buz _____ . ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.