---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/08/07: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:00 AM - Re: condition inspection (deuskid) 2. 08:12 AM - Re: Re: condition inspection (Bill) 3. 08:33 AM - Web Site for Lighting Hardware (Bill) 4. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: condition inspection (Kayberg@aol.com) 5. 04:24 PM - Re: Andair valves (Jim Langley) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:46 AM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: condition inspection From: "deuskid" Thanks for the info but I'm surprised. I was told by a guy that does canards to expect over a $1,000 and by a guy that does RVs $700-!,000. If Condition Inspections are that expensive it would be a costly fixed cost over the years of ownership and make me reconsider and build rather than buying. John Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128061#128061 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:39 AM PST US From: Bill Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: condition inspection It cost me $1,420 for my annual inspection this year and I had only 30 hours on the 1979 Turbo Dakota since the last annual! It is why I sold the aircraft and will be building. The high cost of certified aircraft parts, fuel (12 gph at over $4.00 a gallon) and insurance certainly contributed to my decision. I will never own a certified aircraft again as you are at the mercy of the market and fees and costs will only go up over time. Until you experience the financial pain certified ownership can bring, unless you have very deep pockets, you cannot imagine how easily it destroys the desire to go flying! I believe that is why the experimental and LSA categories will only attract more and more pilots over time. Hope this helps.......Bill. deuskid wrote: > >Thanks for the info but I'm surprised. > >I was told by a guy that does canards to expect over a $1,000 and by a guy that does RVs $700-!,000. > >If Condition Inspections are that expensive it would be a costly fixed cost over the years of ownership and make me reconsider and build rather than buying. > >John > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=128061#128061 > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:33:20 AM PST US From: Bill Subject: Lightning-List: Web Site for Lighting Hardware Here is a web site that I found to be very interesting because of its product mix and "low" acquisition costs. The URL is: http://www.creativair.com/allprods.php I would be very interested if any of you have tried their products and hearing about your experience with them and this company. Bill ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:43 AM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: condition inspection In a message dated 8/8/2007 8:01:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, empire.john@gmail.com writes: Thanks for the info but I'm surprised. I was told by a guy that does canards to expect over a $1,000 and by a guy that does RVs $700-!,000. If Condition Inspections are that expensive it would be a costly fixed cost over the years of ownership and make me reconsider and build rather than buying. This sounds a bit like a misinformed A&P. The standards are lower for mechanic accountability and for required actions on a condition inspection rather than an ANNUAL inspection. For example, there are no AD's to check, since they dont exist for homebuilts! (unless you use a certified engine and prop). Also, anyone can work on the plane to prepare it for inspection. ETC. The other possiblity is that said A&P was and AI. The followup question should be "How much do you charge for Certified airplanes?" We had some local mechanics that were astronomical for annual inspections for GA planes. Yet another thought is that $1,000 a year is not that bad if the mechanic does it all. If you change oil, check instrument and avionics calibration, remove the wheels, dismount the tires, clean and pack the wheel bearings, replace the brake linings, install new brake fluid, change all fluid filters.....all the stuff you are supposed to do, parts could cost $300 and could take a number of hours to perform. I do agree with your conclusion, however, that it is better to build than to buy. Doug Koenigsberg http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:03 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Andair valves Thanks for your help everyone. I ordered the FS20F7A which has the 1/8=94 female fittings on the sides. The only option for the back was the AN or =BC=94 size, so I picked a =BC=94 female fitting for the back. Jim! _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Stauffer Sent: Saturday, August 04, 2007 9:24 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Andair valves Jim, Consider the FS20x3 and FS20x7. I believe that both Linda Mathais and Joe Cooper used the FS20x7. Go to their web site http://www.andair.co.uk/system/index.html and you can configure the valve just about any way you like. I suggest that you configure it with either 1/8 NPT or =BC NPT female fittings on all sides. This way you can use inexpensive brass elbows (90 & 45 with a =BC barb on the other end) to connect up to the fuel line supplied with the kit. If I had my choice I=92d use the 1/8 NPT fitting at least on the inlets because the 1/8 brass elbows are smaller and you=92re working with limited space in the center console. These options weren=92t available when working with Joe and Linda=92s planes. We had to buy reducers from AN6 fittings to =BC barbs. It works just fine but is bulky and adds weight. Hope this helps. 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