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1. 12:06 AM - Entrance Step (Bill)
2. 02:15 AM - Re: Entrance Step (Lightning Aircraft Australia)
3. 02:22 AM - Re: Entrance Step (Lightning Aircraft Australia)
4. 03:14 AM - Re: Entrance Step (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
5. 04:41 AM - Re: Entrance Step (Brian Whittingham)
6. 08:56 AM - Buz's 'puter is broke (N1BZRich@aol.com)
7. 06:02 PM - canopy fit (Tex Mantell)
8. 07:03 PM - Re: canopy fit (ryan gross)
9. 07:20 PM - Re: canopy fit (nick otterback)
10. 07:20 PM - Re: canopy fit (Mark Stauffer)
11. 07:24 PM - Re: Entrance Step (nick otterback)
12. 07:38 PM - Re: Taildraggers forever....... (nick otterback)
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Hi All,
Have any of you installed a step(s) in your fuselage to facilitate
climbing up on the wing of your Lightning? I would like to do this but,
have no info if such a thing exists for our aircraft.
Kit to arrive sometime in September and build to start in
October.......waiting and dreaming.
Thanks.........Bill in Tucson
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| Subject: | Re: Entrance Step |
Hi Bill, Yes steps are available from Arion. We have ordered them for a
customer, as yet they have not arrived.
Regards, Dennis Borchardt.
Lightning Aircraft Australia.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:34 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Entrance Step
Hi All,
Have any of you installed a step(s) in your fuselage to facilitate
climbing up on the wing of your Lightning? I would like to do this but,
have no info if such a thing exists for our aircraft.
Kit to arrive sometime in September and build to start in
October.......waiting and dreaming.
Thanks.........Bill in Tucson
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| Subject: | Re: Entrance Step |
----- Original Message -----
From: Lightning Aircraft Australia
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Entrance Step
Hi Bill, Yes steps are available from Arion. We have ordered them for
a customer, as yet they have not arrived.
Regards, Dennis Borchardt.
Lightning Aircraft Australia.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:34 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Entrance Step
Hi All,
Have any of you installed a step(s) in your fuselage to facilitate
climbing up on the wing of your Lightning? I would like to do this but,
have no info if such a thing exists for our aircraft.
Kit to arrive sometime in September and build to start in
October.......waiting and dreaming.
Thanks.........Bill in Tucson
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| Subject: | Re: Entrance Step |
Bill,
Yes, we put steps on both sides of our plane; they are available
from Arion and easy to install. Before installing the steps, I had to
stand on a milk crate to enter the cockpit each time being only 5' 4"
tall. Definitely worth the money!
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Entrance Step
Hi All,
Have any of you installed a step(s) in your fuselage to facilitate
climbing up on the wing of your Lightning? I would like to do this but,
have no info if such a thing exists for our aircraft.
Kit to arrive sometime in September and build to start in
October.......waiting and dreaming.
Thanks.........Bill in Tucson
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| Subject: | Re: Entrance Step |
Bill,
If memory serves, Earl and his record setting Lightning has a step on the
passengers side as well. So yes, steps are available and on at least a
couple flying Lightnings already. Brian W.
From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias@verizon.net>
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Entrance Step
Bill,
Yes, we put steps on both sides of our plane; they are available from
Arion and easy to install. Before installing the steps, I had to stand on
a milk crate to enter the cockpit each time being only 5' 4" tall.
Definitely worth the money!
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 3:04 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Entrance Step
Hi All,
Have any of you installed a step(s) in your fuselage to facilitate
climbing up on the wing of your Lightning? I would like to do this but,
have no info if such a thing exists for our aircraft.
Kit to arrive sometime in September and build to start in
October.......waiting and dreaming.
Thanks.........Bill in Tucson
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| Subject: | Buz's 'puter is broke |
OK, that word is 'puter as in computer, not any thing else your minds might
have thought up. I am writing this at an alternate site just to let you all
know that I may be off line for a few days. Took my laptop in to be looked at
this AM and hope that they will find a quick fix. Seems to always happen when
I am scheduled to give an EAA presentation.
http://discover.aol.com/memed/aolcom30tour
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Nick and the group, Just glued the canopy on after 4 months of getting
the fit just perfect. All went well till I put the counter balances on.
Then the sh** hit the fan. With the counter now balances on the frame,
it apperantly puts stress exerted on the whole assembly. I guess that
the counter balances should be on when the glue go on and when you are
trying to fit the canopy. I tried that at first and It stressed the
frame so much that you could not work on the canopy. Has anyone got to
this point yet with their kit, and what did you fellows do at
Shellbyville when you worked on the builder assist program?
Tex
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Tex,
I am guessing that when you are talking about the counter balances you mean
the gas shocks. At Green Landings we do not put on the gas shocks until the
Canopy is glued to the frame. We do however fit the gas shocks to the frame
before the final fit of the canopy. I believe you are correct when you say
that without the canopy on the frame the gas shocks do put to much stress on
the frame. I guess what I am getting at is, what is the problem that has
occurred? We have now fitted four Canopy's without having the gas shocks on
the aircraft and have had no problem putting them on later. Once the Canopy
is attached to the frame it seems to be strong enough to not stress that
frame or the canopy.
One thing that you will notice when putting on the gas shocks is that the
Canopy will be pushed aft when closed. This can be also helped by putting in
the guide pins to help the canopy alien properly when closed.
Ryan Gross
Green Landings Flight Center, Inc
SkyRanger Aircraft
Arion Lightning
304-754-6010
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: canopy fit
Nick and the group, Just glued the canopy on after 4 months of getting the
fit just perfect. All went well till I put the counter balances on. Then the
sh** hit the fan. With the counter now balances on the frame, it apperantly
puts stress exerted on the whole assembly. I guess that the counter balances
should be on when the glue go on and when you are trying to fit the canopy.
I tried that at first and It stressed the frame so much that you could not
work on the canopy. Has anyone got to this point yet with their kit, and
what did you fellows do at Shellbyville when you worked on the builder
assist program?
Tex
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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Tex...
I am in oregon right now so i do not have a manual copy in front of me, but we
do fit the frame and when we have the latching barrels and the side locating
pins in place and the gas struts go on, than we bond tthe canopy in place. normally
do not have much issue, send some photos please...
nick
Tex Mantell <wb2ssj@earthlink.net> wrote:
Nick and the group, Just glued the canopy on after 4 months of getting
the fit just perfect. All went well till I put the counter balances on. Then
the sh** hit the fan. With the counter now balances on the frame, it apperantly
puts stress exerted on the whole assembly. I guess that the counter balances
should be on when the glue go on and when you are trying to fit the canopy.
I tried that at first and It stressed the frame so much that you could not work
on the canopy. Has anyone got to this point yet with their kit, and what did
you fellows do at Shellbyville when you worked on the builder assist program?
Tex
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Tex,
Here in Shelbyville we basically do what Ryan has described. We fit the
frame first to the fuselage, install the alignment pins, and then drill the
holes aft through the frame, fuselage and seatback for the canopy latch
pins. At that point we fit the hinges and then install the gas struts. We
leave the gas struts in place while fitting the canopy but remove them when
we're ready to bond the canopy on. Also, as Ryan has said, the gas struts
will "push" the canopy a bit aft but all we do is lengthen the alignment pin
hole in the fuselage a bit aft to accommodate for this. We're talking no
more than 1/8". The alignment pins are for side to side alignment anyway.
Where did you install the gas struts? Could you send a picture to me at
mark@flylightning.net? What is happening?
Mark
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ryan gross
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: canopy fit
Tex,
I am guessing that when you are talking about the counter balances you mean
the gas shocks. At Green Landings we do not put on the gas shocks until the
Canopy is glued to the frame. We do however fit the gas shocks to the frame
before the final fit of the canopy. I believe you are correct when you say
that without the canopy on the frame the gas shocks do put to much stress on
the frame. I guess what I am getting at is, what is the problem that has
occurred? We have now fitted four Canopy's without having the gas shocks on
the aircraft and have had no problem putting them on later. Once the Canopy
is attached to the frame it seems to be strong enough to not stress that
frame or the canopy.
One thing that you will notice when putting on the gas shocks is that the
Canopy will be pushed aft when closed. This can be also helped by putting in
the guide pins to help the canopy alien properly when closed.
Ryan Gross
Green Landings Flight Center, Inc
SkyRanger Aircraft
Arion Lightning
304-754-6010
-----Original Message-----
From: "Tex Mantell" <wb2ssj@earthlink.net>
Subject: Lightning-List: canopy fit
Nick and the group, Just glued the canopy on after 4 months of getting the
fit just perfect. All went well till I put the counter balances on. Then the
sh** hit the fan. With the counter now balances on the frame, it apperantly
puts stress exerted on the whole assembly. I guess that the counter balances
should be on when the glue go on and when you are trying to fit the canopy.
I tried that at first and It stressed the frame so much that you could not
work on the canopy. Has anyone got to this point yet with their kit, and
what did you fellows do at Shellbyville when you worked on the builder
assist program?
Tex
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List
http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Entrance Step |
I believe the first set from the welder are at SYI for inspection as soon as they
are oked wee will finish the rest and deliver them
Nick ....on vacation
Lightning Aircraft Australia <lightningaustralia@bigpond.com> wrote:
----- Original Message -----
From: Lightning Aircraft Australia
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Entrance Step
Hi Bill, Yes steps are available from Arion. We have ordered them for a customer,
as yet they have not arrived.
Regards, Dennis Borchardt.
Lightning Aircraft Australia.
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 4:34 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Entrance Step
Hi All,
Have any of you installed a step(s) in your fuselage to facilitate climbing up
on the wing of your Lightning? I would like to do this but, have no info if such
a thing exists for our aircraft.
Kit to arrive sometime in September and build to start in October.......waiting
and dreaming.
Thanks.........Bill in Tucson
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| Subject: | Re: Taildraggers forever....... |
To the group.....
This is nick. i have been touring Oregon since saturday and it is great, spent
some of sunday in pendelton, my dad used to be a air traffic controller there,
the place is apparently a aerobatic aircraft hot bed. In the main hanger, and
all based there, were: 2 eagles, 1 extra 300, decathalon, 2 sukhois, a giles
202, i think it was an edge540 or a extra 200, couldnt tell it was in the back,
any way they were out with the eagle and giles when we arrived, somehow thought
this relavent to our tail wheel discussion. Hiked Mt ST helens today, no
words to describe that!!!
Nick
N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 8/13/2007 8:40:43 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Kayberg@aol.com
writes:
Could it be they cost more to insure because people wreck em more?
If you travel a lot, then having to work at making that last landing of a long
cross country day can be a bit dangerous if you have a taildragger. If you
are a sport pilot, particularly if you are working your way up the ratings game,
then it makes more sense.
Doug,
Well written, well thought out, and I agree with most of what you said - the
rest of it is pure BS. :-) Just kidding of course. First, yes, insurance on
T/W aircraft is more because people do wreck them more. Why, probably many reasons,
including yours that says they are harder to land. But I suspect a bigger
reason is people just don't fly enough to stay proficient and thus don't
have the "golden hands" and the best judgement. I am very proud of the fact that
I flew my Pitts for 29 years with no accidents or incidents. But, it is a
very honest airplane and I flew it a lot. Proficiency and currency is important
in what ever you fly, but nose wheel airplanes are definitely more forgiving.
Second, your comment about tail wheels being more "dangerous" after a long
day of flying - no, I can buy that. The key word I don't buy is "dangerous".
Again, if you are current and proficient, they are no more dangerous than any
other kind of landing gear. Remember, part of
being a good pilot is judgement. If you are too tired after a long day - don't
make that last flight. You should always make your personal physical condition
part of your "go-no go" decision. Also, a tailwheel pilot probably thinks
more about the winds, runways available, divert airfields, and other such judgement
things during the flight planning process because he is flying a tail wheel
airplane. In my book, he is a better pilot because he is always thinking
about such things and making those items part of the planning process. Any way,
as I said, your mileage may vary.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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