---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 08/24/07: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:14 AM - gas struts (Tex Mantell) 2. 07:17 AM - build manual & flight manual (Tex Mantell) 3. 08:14 AM - Re: build manual & flight manual (Brian Whittingham) 4. 08:19 AM - Re: gas struts (nick otterback) 5. 12:05 PM - Re: build manual & flight manual (Bill) 6. 12:11 PM - Re: build manual & flight manual (Tex Mantell) 7. 12:21 PM - Re: build manual & flight manual (Brian Whittingham) 8. 05:43 PM - get together (Tex Mantell) 9. 07:59 PM - 3 pictures for you-canopy hindge (Peter and Jan Disher) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:57 AM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: gas struts Nick & Mark, I tried the lower pressure gas struts and the problem is the same. I guess that I will try another means of supporting the canopy for I dont want to give up the nice fit I have now. Will be open to any suggestions. Tex ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:01 AM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual Mark, still have not received the disk, how did you send it? Tex ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:07 AM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual Tex, You can always do like the Esquals, and like some of the Lightnings when they first begin flying and just not put in any struts. You'll just have to hold your own canopy up. Buz has a mod for his Esqual that holds up the canopy a few inches to help with airflow on the ground. You could put something like a nylon or leather strap mounted to the inside rear of the canopy, then when you close it pull it through the opening between the canopy and turtledeck so that it's easy to lift up the canopy. I mean, even with the struts you have to be careful so that the wind doesn't catch it and slam it back down or stress it and pull it off the other way. I flew a couple of Lightnings like this and all the Esquals that I flew were like this and it's not that big of a deal. The struts were just something that the Lightning folks were trying to make as a convienince in ther design. Brian W. From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual Mark, still have not received the disk, how did you send it? Tex _________________________________________________________________ Messenger Caf open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:50 AM PST US From: nick otterback Subject: Re: Lightning-List: gas struts Tex.... Thinking of a soulution... nick Tex Mantell wrote: Nick & Mark, I tried the lower pressure gas struts and the problem is the same. I guess that I will try another means of supporting the canopy for I dont want to give up the nice fit I have now. Will be open to any suggestions. Tex --------------------------------- Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:37 PM PST US From: Bill Subject: Re: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual Hi All, Another way to hold the canopy open partially is to drill new holes about 3 to 4 inches above the fuselage holes located for the existing canopy lock pins. Then raise the canopy and slide these pins out and into the fuselage frame and the canopy is locked into position and air can flow through the cockpit without restriction. This is a simple mod that does not add weight and is easy to do at any time during or after the build phase. I've seen this mod done on a lightning here in Tucson. Bill Brian Whittingham wrote: > > > Tex, > You can always do like the Esquals, and like some of the Lightnings > when they first begin flying and just not put in any struts. You'll > just have to hold your own canopy up. Buz has a mod for his Esqual > that holds up the canopy a few inches to help with airflow on the > ground. You could put something like a nylon or leather strap mounted > to the inside rear of the canopy, then when you close it pull it > through the opening between the canopy and turtledeck so that it's > easy to lift up the canopy. I mean, even with the struts you have to > be careful so that the wind doesn't catch it and slam it back down or > stress it and pull it off the other way. I flew a couple of > Lightnings like this and all the Esquals that I flew were like this > and it's not that big of a deal. The struts were just something that > the Lightning folks were trying to make as a convienince in ther > design. Brian W. > > From: "Tex Mantell" > To: "lightning List" > Subject: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:16:06 -0400 > > Mark, still have not received the disk, how did you send it? Tex > > _________________________________________________________________ > Messenger Caf -- open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served > daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:11:30 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual Thanks for the info Brian, I'll ask Buz for a picture , it sounds like a possibility. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Whittingham" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual > > > Tex, > You can always do like the Esquals, and like some of the Lightnings when > they first begin flying and just not put in any struts. You'll just have > to hold your own canopy up. Buz has a mod for his Esqual that holds up > the canopy a few inches to help with airflow on the ground. You could put > something like a nylon or leather strap mounted to the inside rear of the > canopy, then when you close it pull it through the opening between the > canopy and turtledeck so that it's easy to lift up the canopy. I mean, > even with the struts you have to be careful so that the wind doesn't catch > it and slam it back down or stress it and pull it off the other way. I > flew a couple of Lightnings like this and all the Esquals that I flew were > like this and it's not that big of a deal. The struts were just something > that the Lightning folks were trying to make as a convienince in ther > design. Brian W. > > From: "Tex Mantell" > To: "lightning List" > Subject: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual > Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:16:06 -0400 > > Mark, still have not received the disk, how did you send it? Tex > > _________________________________________________________________ > Messenger Caf open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served > daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:21:41 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual Tex, As Bill said, there are a few people who have drilled a second canopy pin latch hole in the railing a few inches above the original holes. That locks the canopy in a slightly inclined position while taxiing for airflow. I think that it comes down to an option of accessability. If you've got a really great fit and don't mind tilting the canopy up and watching it to make sure it doesn't fall back everytime then I'd just leave the shocks off. Saves a little weight, less to break in the future etc. Doesn't really change the looks any. Brian W. From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual Thanks for the info Brian, I'll ask Buz for a picture , it sounds like a possibility. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Whittingham" Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 11:13 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual > > >Tex, > You can always do like the Esquals, and like some of the Lightnings when >they first begin flying and just not put in any struts. You'll just have >to hold your own canopy up. Buz has a mod for his Esqual that holds up the >canopy a few inches to help with airflow on the ground. You could put >something like a nylon or leather strap mounted to the inside rear of the >canopy, then when you close it pull it through the opening between the >canopy and turtledeck so that it's easy to lift up the canopy. I mean, >even with the struts you have to be careful so that the wind doesn't catch >it and slam it back down or stress it and pull it off the other way. I >flew a couple of Lightnings like this and all the Esquals that I flew were >like this and it's not that big of a deal. The struts were just something >that the Lightning folks were trying to make as a convienince in ther >design. Brian W. > >From: "Tex Mantell" >To: "lightning List" >Subject: Lightning-List: build manual & flight manual >Date: Fri, 24 Aug 2007 10:16:06 -0400 > >Mark, still have not received the disk, how did you send it? Tex > >_________________________________________________________________ >Messenger Caf open for fun 24/7. Hot games, cool activities served >daily. Visit now. http://cafemessenger.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_AugHMtagline > > _________________________________________________________________ Now you can see troublebefore he arrives http://newlivehotmail.com/?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_migration_HM_viral_protection_0507 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:38 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: get together Are the dates firm yet for the meet in Shellbyville? Tex ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:52 PM PST US From: "Peter and Jan Disher" Subject: Lightning-List: 3 pictures for you-canopy hindge Hi Tex, This is Pete Disher, If I understand your canopy problem correctly I believe the hindge springs open when the gas struts are on. What I did was to strengthen them up as like the pictures attached, with 1/4 plate AL. Hope this might help Regards Pete Disher Australia You have been sent 3 pictures. IMG_2579.JPG IMG_2580.JPG IMG_2582.JPG These pictures were sent with Picasa, from Google. 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