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| Subject: | Re: More Nemesis Chatter |
Doug- That would be neat to have an old warbird jet
like that but it comes down to four issues on one of
those: 1.) Huge fuel burn 2.) Maintenance and parts
(if available) very expensive 3.) Safety- how safe is
a thirty year old jet gonna be. 4.) Insurability
I just checked the Nemesis website and they say you
can complete one for about 275 on the low end.
(Probably takes 5 years to do). If you do a lot of
flying, that is a pretty reasonable price given the
speed and relatively low fuel burn given the speed.
My problem with the Nemesis is the tail wheel and the
huge amount of runway it eats on takeoff and landing,
making you limited to where you can go. But it sure
would be a thrill to go that fast and ride in
something that is a truly flying artwork.
Charles
--- Kayberg@aol.com wrote:
>
> Charles,
>
> What makes more sense to me than spending $400,000
> on a piston plane is to
> buy a jet warbird. Some of the trainers, like the
> L-29, L-39, T-33 etc can
> be bought for much less than $100,000. They will
> be faster yet tho they
> burn fuel like it was the 1950's. But the savings
> of $300,000 will buy a lot
> of fuel.
>
> Not sure the Cubans will be thrilled by your
> traversing their island in an
> old fighter, but... Screw em if they cant take a
> joke.
>
> Doug
>
> In a message dated 9/8/2007 11:46:57 AM Eastern
> Daylight Time,
> cdewey6969@yahoo.com writes:
>
>
> Buzz- The Nemesis kit is 138K. The engine is around
> 95K. Fast build options add 80K. As you can see it,
> can easily push 500K or more when finished. I think
> Kevin (flies Relentless) at sloair.com said it
> could
> be done for under 400K. All of which is crazy money,
> but hey, we can dream, and play lotto. They claim a
> cruise of 300 knots at 12,000 feet with a 22 gph
> fuel
> burn. The Vne is 370 knots. We're talking faster
> than
> a Cirrus jet or Piper jet and similar speed to
> Lancair's new Evolution million dollar
> home-build(with
> a $400K jet engine)! The only thing that scares me
> about the Nemesis is that because it eats up so
> much
> runway on takeoff and landing is that if there was
> an
> emergency and you had to land on a small strip
> somewhere, you might kill yourself. Which leaves
> the
> only option to bail and jump out with a parachute on
> your back. But if you do that, you just lost
> 400-600K
> because there is no available insurance for the
> plane.
> Which makes you only want to fly it accross the
> desert, where, like Kevin Eldridge found out with
> Relentless, you can crash land it anywhere and
> survive
> and get it flying again. Try doing that in a farm
> field on the east coast or down the Caribbean
> chain.
> The Nemesis really intrigues me because it seems
> like
> you are getting jet speed, agility of a fighter
> plane,
> and fuel efficency of a single. The only thing you
> don't get is a whole airframe parachute which
> everyone
> seems to want nowadays. If I had to sell my condo
> which I bought cheap and now has gone up nicely and
> virtually live on the street to have the Nemesis,
> it
> might beat having a roof over my head.
> Thanks for you detailed response to my questions,
> Charles
> --- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:
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| Subject: | Re: More Nemesis Chatter |
All,
Again, the plane is the NXT (prounounced Next). The first was the
Nemesis NXT b/c all the owners raceplanes are called Nemesis. If you and I
buy one it is just called an NXT. These planes were not built for a normal
kitbuilder to buy and build. They were designed for one thing in mind, to
RACE! The majority of these planes will never even have a second person on
board. The relatively long landing roll and takeoff roll is deemed
exceptable for racing. Heck, one Lancair with about 700 ponies up front has
the right seat as a fuel tank, water tank, methanol tank - for
water/methanol injection, two extra high capacity fuel pumps, the whole
airframe has been reprofiled to reduce drag and the flaps are sealed up for
a little less drag. It turns 370mph lap speeds average which means about
390mph on the straights. You have to wear an 02 mask b/c of carbon monoxide
levels in the cockpit. Kevin who races "Relentless" NXT turned 337mph over
the Airventure course. That was with a stock TIO-540. There's another NXT
that will have a 780(?) cubic inch GTISO engine. There's also one that has
been split and made into a one seater with extended fuselage and a 12
cylinder diesel engine! See here: http://www.aerochia.com/news.html The
reason why the NXT are for sale as a kit is to meet the rules of the sport
class which require 5 complete kits before you can race. Kevin will be
racing this week and I'll post the results, but he has upgraded to a rumored
500-600hp custom engine. We'll see what the airframe is really capable of.
My point is that that type of plane was never meant for the everyday
builder/flyer. I wouldn't be scared of it, but just think it's an
impractical aircraft if you're looking for a cross country flier. It was
designed with a mission in mind. Brian W.
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