---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 09/12/07: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: More Nemesis Chatter (Brian Whittingham) 2. 12:38 PM - Re: Re: More Nemesis Chatter (Bill) 3. 05:55 PM - parts (Tex Mantell) 4. 06:24 PM - Re: Re: More Nemesis Chatter (Jerry Vanheeswyk) 5. 07:07 PM - Re: Re: More Nemesis Chatter (Charles Dewey) 6. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: More Nemesis Chatter (Charles Dewey) 7. 08:00 PM - Re: Re: More Nemesis Chatter (Brian Whittingham) 8. 08:36 PM - Re: Re: More Nemesis Chatter (Brian Whittingham) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:57 AM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter The actual Nemesis NXT, John Sharp's plane just qualified for the Natl. Air Races at an average speed on the course of 386.904mph. That's at about 5,000' MSL! New qualifying record! Last night the site stated that they did an unofficial run averaging over 390 mph! For reference that's about 50mph faster than the stock P-51 mustangs are running. Brian W. _________________________________________________________________ Share your special parenting moments! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:08 PM PST US From: Bill Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter Hi from sunny Tucson, I've been over the mach at or below 100', as have many military pilots, and I wouldn't say I was exactly comfortable there. However, I was trained to do it and do it well I did or I wouldn't be here to tell you so. My Lightning kit is scheduled to be here on the 21st of this month! A week from this Friday!!! I have received my hardware bundle (nuts, washers and bolts) from Aircraft Spruce. I was told that there are not enough of them to build the airplane and I will have to order more. That does not seem right to me as I expected a complete kit when I purchased this one. My previous experience was with the Kitfox which had a very detailed builders manual and every piece of hardware necessary to build the kit. Any shortages I noted during the inventory process were forwarded to the manufacturer and they filled them quickly. Have any of you experienced this issue before and how did you handle it, i.e. just order some more from Aircraft Spruce or request more from Arion? By the way, Arion has developed entrance steps and they are anticipated to cost $125 per step and should be ready by the end of October. Looking forward to your replys.......Bill Brian Whittingham wrote: > > > Relentless NXT qualified at an average speed of 379.289 today. How > many of you guys feel comfortable at that speed....all under 50 feet > altitude? Wish I had a shot at it! Brian W. > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW > with 5GB storage. > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:55:00 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: parts Hi, don't get upset over missing parts. Arion like all companies have suppliers that don't deliver parts on time as contracted. I have had very good response from Mark and Nick when I was short a part. They always get them to me one way or another. You will have plenty to do when the kit arrives and as you read ahead in the manual you can plan around any missing part. You will love the finished product and that's what counts. Tex ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:29 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter From: Jerry Vanheeswyk Bill, I had a special situation because I ordered my kit before it was really ready to be a kit. Some of the parts came along later, but that caused little problem or delay. I asked Arion to ship anything that was expensive, which they willingly did. I purchased some hardware myself, along with items I chose to upgrade from the kit. Most homebuilders wis h to incorporate some of their own ideas to 'improve' the kit, and I would n ot be surprised if you do too. For me, this included items like the pitot assembly, a throttle quadrant, fuel selector assembly, tinted rear wind ows, etc. Enjoy your airplane. Jerry from Tucson. Bill To Sent by: lightning-list@matronics.com owner-lightning-l cc ist-server@matron ics.com Subj ect Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter 09/12/2007 12:35 PM Please respond to lightning-list@ma tronics.com Hi from sunny Tucson, I've been over the mach at or below 100', as have many military pilots, and I wouldn't say I was exactly comfortable there. However, I was trained to do it and do it well I did or I wouldn't be here to tell you so. My Lightning kit is scheduled to be here on the 21st of this month! A week from this Friday!!! I have received my hardware bundle (nuts, washers and bolts) from Aircr aft Spruce. I was told that there are not enough of them to build the airp lane and I will have to order more. That does not seem right to me as I expected a complete kit when I purchased this one. My previous experie nce was with the Kitfox which had a very detailed builders manual and every piece of hardware necessary to build the kit. Any shortages I noted du ring the inventory process were forwarded to the manufacturer and they fille d them quickly. Have any of you experienced this issue before and how di d you handle it, i.e. just order some more from Aircraft Spruce or reques t more from Arion? By the way, Arion has developed entrance steps and they are anticipated to cost $125 per step and should be ready by the end of October. Looking forward to your replys.......Bill Brian Whittingham wrote: Relentless NXT qualified at an average speed of 379.289 today. H ow many of you guys feel comfortable at that speed....all under 50 f eet altitude? Wish I had a shot at it! Brian W. _________________________________________________________________ More photos; more messages; more whatever. Windows Live Hotmail - NOW with 5GB storage. ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:10 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter Brian- I had no idea a P-51 Mustang was that fast. I thought they were slow WWII planes. By the way, I had a conversation with Jon Sharp about a year ago and he said that the NXT actually is a great cross-country machine. Charles --- Brian Whittingham wrote: > Whittingham" > > The actual Nemesis NXT, John Sharp's plane just > qualified for the Natl. Air > Races at an average speed on the course of > 386.904mph. That's at about > 5,000' MSL! New qualifying record! Last night the > site stated that they > did an unofficial run averaging over 390 mph! For > reference that's about > 50mph faster than the stock P-51 mustangs are > running. Brian W. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Share your special parenting moments! > http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM&loc=us > > > > browse > Subscriptions page, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > Web Forums! > > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:29 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter Pulled from the Nemesis webpage: Take Off Distance 2500 ft. @ sea level Landing Distance 3500 ft @ sea level Isn't that the kind of rynway distance 747's eat? --- Jerry Vanheeswyk wrote: > > > > > > Bill, I had a special situation because I ordered my > kit before it was > really ready to be a kit. Some of the parts came > along later, but that > caused little problem or delay. I asked Arion to > ship anything that was > expensive, which they willingly did. I purchased > some hardware myself, > along with items I chose to upgrade from the kit. > Most homebuilders wish to > incorporate some of their own ideas to 'improve' the > kit, and I would not > be surprised if you do too. For me, this included > items like the pitot > assembly, a throttle quadrant, fuel selector > assembly, tinted rear windows, > etc. > > Enjoy your airplane. > > Jerry from Tucson. > > > > > Bill > > > h.net> > To > Sent by: > lightning-list@matronics.com > owner-lightning-l > cc > ist-server@matron > > ics.com > Subject > Re: > Lightning-List: Re: More > Nemesis > Chatter > 09/12/2007 12:35 > > PM > > > > > > Please respond to > > lightning-list@ma > > tronics.com > > > > > > > > > > Hi from sunny Tucson, > > I've been over the mach at or below 100', as have > many military pilots, and > I wouldn't say I was exactly comfortable there. > However, I was trained to > do it and do it well I did or I wouldn't be here to > tell you so. > > My Lightning kit is scheduled to be here on the 21st > of this month! A week > from this Friday!!! > > I have received my hardware bundle (nuts, washers > and bolts) from Aircraft > Spruce. I was told that there are not enough of > them to build the airplane > and I will have to order more. That does not seem > right to me as I > expected a complete kit when I purchased this one. > My previous experience > was with the Kitfox which had a very detailed > builders manual and every > piece of hardware necessary to build the kit. Any > shortages I noted during > the inventory process were forwarded to the > manufacturer and they filled > them quickly. Have any of you experienced this > issue before and how did > you handle it, i.e. just order some more from > Aircraft Spruce or request > more from Arion? > > By the way, Arion has developed entrance steps and > they are anticipated to > cost $125 per step and should be ready by the end of > October. > > Looking forward to your replys.......Bill > > Brian Whittingham wrote: > Whittingham" > > > Relentless NXT qualified at an average speed > of 379.289 today. How > many of you guys feel comfortable at that > speed....all under 50 feet > altitude? Wish I had a shot at it! Brian W. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever. > Windows Live Hotmail - NOW > with 5GB storage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated ==
________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:00:50 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter Reno is at about 5,000' and about 5,000' runways and they eat pretty much all of it up. Some other stuff if you like the national air races, last week a Thunder Mustang had an aborted takeoff, heated the brakes up and went off the end of the runway. The glowing rotors caught the plane on fire and burned it up. That was a one of a kind million dollar baby. Last night a biplane took off, black smoke from the engine, hadn't been run in a couple of years, the pilot maintained about 30 foot with an observed increasing angle of attack and slowing of airspeed, the left wing dropped, rudder was input to keep it falling straight ahead and it pancaked with a lot of runway left to land on ahead. Pilot was killed. This year they're racing different kinds of jets besides just the L-39's. They have a T-33 which turned a 525mph lap, an L-29 with a 515, and an T-2 Buckeye with a 505 speed. The biplanes hit a record qualifying speed of about 255 or so. T-6's at mid 230's, now that's impressive! The unlimiteds featured a highly modified clipped wing fury called September Fury at about 472mph and Rare Bear at 452, Strega at 451, Dreadnaught a fury with an R-4360 in the nose at about 450, and a highly modified yak at about 445mph! Mondo speed this year. Brian W. From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter Pulled from the Nemesis webpage: Take Off Distance 2500 ft. @ sea level Landing Distance 3500 ft @ sea level Isn't that the kind of rynway distance 747's eat? --- Jerry Vanheeswyk wrote: > > > > > > Bill, I had a special situation because I ordered my > kit before it was > really ready to be a kit. Some of the parts came > along later, but that > caused little problem or delay. I asked Arion to > ship anything that was > expensive, which they willingly did. I purchased > some hardware myself, > along with items I chose to upgrade from the kit. > Most homebuilders wish to > incorporate some of their own ideas to 'improve' the > kit, and I would not > be surprised if you do too. For me, this included > items like the pitot > assembly, a throttle quadrant, fuel selector > assembly, tinted rear windows, > etc. > > Enjoy your airplane. > > Jerry from Tucson. > > > > > Bill > > > h.net> > To > Sent by: > lightning-list@matronics.com > owner-lightning-l > cc > ist-server@matron > > ics.com > Subject > Re: > Lightning-List: Re: More > Nemesis > Chatter > 09/12/2007 12:35 > > PM > > > > > > Please respond to > > lightning-list@ma > > tronics.com > > > > > > > > > > Hi from sunny Tucson, > > I've been over the mach at or below 100', as have > many military pilots, and > I wouldn't say I was exactly comfortable there. > However, I was trained to > do it and do it well I did or I wouldn't be here to > tell you so. > > My Lightning kit is scheduled to be here on the 21st > of this month! A week > from this Friday!!! > > I have received my hardware bundle (nuts, washers > and bolts) from Aircraft > Spruce. I was told that there are not enough of > them to build the airplane > and I will have to order more. That does not seem > right to me as I > expected a complete kit when I purchased this one. > My previous experience > was with the Kitfox which had a very detailed > builders manual and every > piece of hardware necessary to build the kit. Any > shortages I noted during > the inventory process were forwarded to the > manufacturer and they filled > them quickly. Have any of you experienced this > issue before and how did > you handle it, i.e. just order some more from > Aircraft Spruce or request > more from Arion? > > By the way, Arion has developed entrance steps and > they are anticipated to > cost $125 per step and should be ready by the end of > October. > > Looking forward to your replys.......Bill > > Brian Whittingham wrote: > Whittingham" > > > Relentless NXT qualified at an average speed > of 379.289 today. How > many of you guys feel comfortable at that > speed....all under 50 feet > altitude? Wish I had a shot at it! Brian W. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > More photos; more messages; more whatever. > Windows Live Hotmail - NOW > with 5GB storage. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated == 


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_________________________________________________________________ Test your celebrity IQ. Play Red Carpet Reveal and earn great prizes! http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_hotmailtextlink2 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:39 PM PST US From: "Brian Whittingham" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter Charles, I think that it probably is a good flying cross-country plane, but my point was that it was really designed as a racer, not a cross-country flyer. John just got out of the hospital. His wife donated a kidney to him. Seems that both are doing well and he is flying in this years air races, and boy what a time! Actually the P-51 mustang would do about 435mph at 25,000 feet. Of course it's slower at lower altitudes. It also had a 1690hp 1650 cu in engine. The British Hawker Fury and Sea Fury were a round engined fighter and would do about 460mph at 18,000 feet, and the German Tank Ta-152 would do about 472 at 41,000 feet with boost and methanol water injection. All of these planes were WWII planes. I know that the stock P-51's are running around the 340-350mph mark at 5,000 feet altitude, and the stock sea fury about 360-380mph at Reno. Of course the fury has around 3,500hp with an R-3350 engine, or about 4,000hp with the R-4360. There's also a Bearcat, Navy WWII called Rare Bear that has a 3350 putting out 4,000 ponies. If you've never been to an air race it's something to see. It's also something to hear! I'm wearing a shirt right now of Precious Metal which was a P-51 mustang, but converted to use a Rolls Royce Griffon of about 2200hp. It's about 500 cubic inches larger in displacement than a Merlin. It has a set of contra-rotating props, that's 6 of them on one shaft, 3 spinning in one direction and 3 the other to help cancel out torque. There's some wild stuff out there. Tsunami, a custom built racer, looked like a smaller, sleaker mustang, unofficially turned 530mph at 5000' msl. (couldn't do a second run for the record b/c of problems, and then wrecked on landing) There was Miss Ashley II which was a scratch built P-51 fuselage, firewall forward cowling of a spitfire, with lear jet wings and horizontal stabilizer, instead of a belly scoop a NACA scoop, and that contra-rotating griffon. There was the Pond Racer which was a Rutan design, twin engined composite with Nissan automotive engines. There are some wild looking customs being built right now. There's one with an unducted fan, think cuisinart and looks like a T-38 jet. There's one that is a custom built fuselage with T-2 buckeye wings and tail, F-86 airbrakes and a big ole radial in front. Oh and it's a tricycle gear. There's also one for sale that is partially complete that has a custom fuselage, a 4360 engine of 4000hp, a modified sea fury wing section and F-86 tail, all boosted controls. There's some really impressive stuff, some are really great looking planes. Lots of good stories, and unfortunately some planes and pilots that aren't here anymore. I love this time of year, a week of with the fastest motorsport in the world!! Brian W. From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: More Nemesis Chatter Brian- I had no idea a P-51 Mustang was that fast. I thought they were slow WWII planes. By the way, I had a conversation with Jon Sharp about a year ago and he said that the NXT actually is a great cross-country machine. Charles _________________________________________________________________ Can you find the hidden words? Take a break and play Seekadoo! http://club.live.com/seekadoo.aspx?icid=seek_hotmailtextlink1 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message lightning-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Lightning-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/lightning-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/lightning-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.