Lightning-List Digest Archive

Sun 09/23/07


Total Messages Posted: 15



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 06:40 AM - Re: It's Here!!! (nick otterback)
     2. 07:10 AM - Re: It's Here!!! (Jim Langley)
     3. 07:14 AM - 18th lightning flys (nick otterback)
     4. 08:57 AM - Aircraft Spruce parts (tlhuffy@aol.com)
     5. 10:19 AM - Re: 17th Lightning Flys (Scotty)
     6. 11:17 AM - Re: 17th Lightning Flys (Scotty)
     7. 11:27 AM - Re: 17th Lightning Flys (Scotty)
     8. 11:38 AM - Re: 17th Lightning Flys (Scotty)
     9. 02:04 PM - Fly in (GRskins@aol.com)
    10. 04:16 PM - Lightning Fly-In Pictures (Jim Langley)
    11. 05:30 PM - Homecoming (Colin J. Kennedy)
    12. 07:07 PM - Re: Homecoming (N1BZRich@aol.com)
    13. 07:15 PM - Homecoming weekend (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
    14. 08:01 PM - Re: Homecoming weekend (Jim Langley)
    15. 08:24 PM - Updated pics and quotes (Jim Langley)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:40:39 AM PST US
    From: nick otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: It's Here!!!
    The canopy frame will be arriving in the next 2-3 weeks, we have redesigned it for a better fit and finish and you will be reciecving one of the new frames...... Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft Bill <sales@billandruth.net> wrote: Hello All You Zappers (Lightnings), Kit #49 arrived at Ryan Field (KRYN), which is west of Tucson, about 3:35pm on Friday 21, September! We unloaded the various parts and placed the wings and flaps on stands and the fuselage on a blanket on the hangar floor. Seth was the driver of the delivery truck which was pulling the longest 3 axle trailer I've ever seen. I believe Pace is the builder of these trailers. They make them to haul NASCAR vehicles primarily. The wings were padded and hung on the walls. All of the other fiberglass parts were packed inside the fuselage and the canopy was taped to the fuselage. Some observations: 1. The driver is the only one delivering the kit and it takes a minimum of three people to get the fuselage out of the trailer. I had to go ask someone to help with this. We probably would have managed with two but, we would have had to remove all of the items stored in the fuselage to do it and it still would have been a very awkward task at best. 2. There is no inventory document that comes with the kit! Consequently, you don't really know what you should be getting and what has possibly been left out. 3. There was no canopy frame shipped with the kit. Greg Hobbs, my dealer, said it usually ships with the canopy and rests under it when it is shipped. He did not know why it did not come with this kit as it has come with all of the others he has gotten. 4. I checked over the canopy and found that there was some rubbed/scraped area on the inside of the canopy starting toward the front right side and extending back several inches. I made note of this on my shipping bill of lading. I can't tell if the canopy is scratched or not because of the protective coating that covers the entire unit which has been removed in this location. 5. All of the other metal parts and such have not been received as yet. So... I am going to start on drilling some holes and doing some preliminary prep work. I also will be building a work table and a fuselage dolly for holding and moving it around the hangar. Hopefully the other parts will start to arrive soon. As soon as I can, I will send some pictures of the kit and the various parts that have arrived so far. I'm not sure of the protocol for uploading pictures to the list but, will research it when I find the time. I do have a shipment of bolts, nuts, washers and other hardware that was sent previously from Aircraft Spruce. Fly Safe............Bill --------------------------------- Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.


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    Time: 07:10:17 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: It's Here!!!
    No THAT"S what I'm talkin' about! Congrats Bill on receiving your new kit! You can start planning for next year's Lightning Fly-In! _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick otterback Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 9:40 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: It's Here!!! The canopy frame will be arriving in the next 2-3 weeks, we have redesigned it for a better fit and finish and you will be reciecving one of the new frames...... Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft Bill <sales@billandruth.net> wrote: Hello All You Zappers (Lightnings), Kit #49 arrived at Ryan Field (KRYN), which is west of Tucson, about 3:35pm on Friday 21, September! We unloaded the various parts and placed the wings and flaps on stands and the fuselage on a blanket on the hangar floor. Seth was the driver of the delivery truck which was pulling the longest 3 axle trailer I've ever seen. I believe Pace is the builder of these trailers. They make them to haul NASCAR vehicles primarily. The wings were padded and hung on the walls. All of the other fiberglass parts were packed inside the fuselage and the canopy was taped to the fuselage. Some observations: 1. The driver is the only one delivering the kit and it takes a minimum of three people to get the fuselage out of the trailer. I had to go ask someone to help with this. We probably would have managed with two but, we would have had to remove all of the items stored in the fuselage to do it and it still would have been a very awkward task at best. 2. There is no inventory document that comes with the kit! Consequently, you don't really know what you should be getting and what has possibly been left out. 3. There was no canopy frame shipped with the kit. Greg Hobbs, my dealer, said it usually ships with the canopy and rests under it when it is shipped. He did not know why it did not come with this kit as it has come with all of the others he has gotten. 4. I checked over the canopy and found that there was some rubbed/scraped area on the inside of the canopy starting toward the front right side and extending back several inches. I made note of this on my shipping bill of lading. I can't tell if the canopy is scratched or not because of the protective coating that covers the entire unit which has been removed in this location. 5. All of the other metal parts and such have not been received as yet. So... I am going to start on drilling some holes and doing some preliminary prep work. I also will be building a work table and a fuselage dolly for holding and moving it around the hangar. Hopefully the other parts will start to arrive soon. As soon as I can, I will send some pictures of the kit and the various parts that have arrived so far. I'm not sure of the protocol for uploading pictures to the list but, will research it when I find the time. I do have a shipment of


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    Time: 07:14:31 AM PST US
    From: nick otterback <vettin74@yahoo.com>
    Subject: 18th lightning flys
    We have had confirmation that just shortly after 800 am sunday morning the 18th lightning has flown. This lightning is from wisconsin and was built by Tom , Al, and Dan. Dan Jones was at the controls for the first flight. Inital reports are a hands off machine and a 1hour 18 minute flight.....look for more details later..... nick --------------------------------- Tonight's top picks. What will you watch tonight? Preview the hottest shows on Yahoo! TV.


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    Time: 08:57:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Aircraft Spruce parts
    From: tlhuffy@aol.com
    Mark?? The best nuts plates that we like using are the bigger size.? They were backordered for our kit The K1000-08? would replace the Mk 1000? The K-1000 are also cheaper.? .37 not .52?They seem to work better with our? rivet guns.? Do you think that you could reorder the K's for us and if possible for the rest of the kits I order?????? Tom? :) -----Original Message----- From: Mark Stauffer <mark.stauffer1@gmail.com> Sent: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 10:19 pm Subject: RE: Lightning-List: 17th Lightning Flys Actually, just about all of the 18 or so in attendance witnessed the first flight. Jim was a very proud "papa". Tomorrow 5 Lightnings and 1 Esqual LS are taxing down to the monthly Shelbyville fly in breakfast. Hopefully we'll outnumber the RV's tomorrow!! We would have had 6 Lightnings but Earl was unable to fly up due to weather in Atlanta. He was able to drive up though. Pictures to follow. Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 7:31 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: 17th Lightning Flys Congratulations to Jim and the Shelbyville crew! I hope some of the fly-in crowd was able to see it! Jim! -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Friday, September 21, 2007 6:34 PM Subject: Lightning-List: 17th Lightning Flys Today Nick took off in Jim Goad's Lightning for it's first flight. The half hour flight was routine and Nick reported it flies hands off and other than a minor bungee adjustment to get more up trim the aircraft is great! Congrats to Jim who built the Lightning in Arion Aircraft's builder assist program. More details to follow after more flight testing. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: Thursday, September 20, 2007 2:49 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Lightning Insurance Does anyone out there have any idea who could insure a Lightning internationally? Falcon is great for inside the US. Someone said Lloyd's of London might...any others? Charles --- Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote: > Sorry I'll miss you Colin. I just could not arrange > to make both the > homecoming and engine seminar. I had to pick one or > the other. > > sigh... > > You guys can send me lot of pictures so I don't feel > so disconnected. > > > On 9/20/07, cjk129@cox.net <cjk129@cox.net> wrote: > > > <cjk129@cox.net> > > > > I will be there first thing Friday. Looking > forward to seeing old > > aquaintances and meeting new! > > > > Colin K. > > OK > > ---- EAFerguson@aol.com wrote: > > > Wx looks good for this weekend, I'll be there in > time for lunch Friday. > > > Looking forward to the gathering! > > > > > > Earl Ferguson > > > N17EF > > > > > > > > > ************************************** > > > See what's new at > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yahoo! oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile.yahoo.com/mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com


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    Time: 10:19:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 17th Lightning Flys
    From: "Scotty" <mr.scotty@comcast.net>
    166JG's first flight First shot is Buz and Nick on approach Second is short final Third is 166JG's first touch down Congratulations Jim Scotty Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135907#135907 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/first_landing_396.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/first_approach_612.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/buz_and_nick_570.jpg


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    Time: 11:17:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 17th Lightning Flys
    From: "Scotty" <mr.scotty@comcast.net>
    The fly-in weather could not have been better in Shelbyville. There was a gathering of good folks from all over. West Virginia, New York, Florida, Georgia and Tennessee were represented. Friday was highlighted by Jim Goad's plane's first flight, and the Brats, hamburgers, beans, cornbread and fixins. Thanks to Pete, Dana and Barbara and the rest of the KSYI lightning crowd for all that. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135919#135919 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/lighting_hangars_167.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/gathering_913.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/watching_the_flying_205.jpg


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    Time: 11:27:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 17th Lightning Flys
    From: "Scotty" <mr.scotty@comcast.net>
    Some more shots of the flying. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135921#135921 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/p1020297_115.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/jim_goad_175.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/formation_2_640.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/formation_1_472.jpg


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    Time: 11:38:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: 17th Lightning Flys
    From: "Scotty" <mr.scotty@comcast.net>
    Thanks to Pete and Nick for the good food and good company Friday. I got my first ride in the Lightning (I tried to wipe up the excess drool) after the flight. I want one, bad, but have to figure a way to convince "she who must be obeyed". Sorry I didn't get to come Saturday. Impressions: Beautiful, great lines. Very quiet compared to Diamonds, RV, and Kitfox. Very smooth running. Good air flow in the cockpit. Plenty of Room for my 5'10", 210 lbs. Flys very straight forward, quite responsive, no surprises. I was a little heavy on the rudder, but a couple of hours will fix that. Slightly heavier in the roll axis than than the other two axis. It would roll quite handily, if it were legal to do so. Faster and cheap to operate. Didn't get to land it, but Nick did good under my direct supervision ha-ha-ha (may have something to do with experience). IMHO it will be very hard, if not impossible, to find as good a plane for the money. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=135922#135922 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/demo_td_140.jpg


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    Time: 02:04:54 PM PST US
    From: GRskins@aol.com
    Subject: Fly in
    It was a pleasure meeting everyone in Shellbyville this past week, Paul and I had a great time with everyone and enjoyed the camaraderie of the whole gang. Enjoyed the beers, burgers and brats too. What a great bunch of pilots and team at Lightning. I know we will see some of you at the fly ins around the country. Buz, thanks for the demo ride. Regards, Gary Skinner Clearwater, FL


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    Time: 04:16:33 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Lightning Fly-In Pictures
    Here are a few of the pictures from the fly-in that I posted on the site. If you have any others that you would like me to put up on the site, you can send them to my email address. Check them out here http://www.jimslightning.com/html/fly-in_2007.html Jim!


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    Time: 05:30:19 PM PST US
    From: "Colin J. Kennedy" <cjk129@cox.net>
    Subject: Homecoming
    Airline tickets Tulsa to Nashville return: $257 Hotels 1 night in Nashville and 2 in Shelbyville: $270 Rental car: $70 Dinner at the Bell Buckle Caf: Priceless! J Thanks Pete! What a great weekend! Both from a social and prospective buyers viewpoint, it could not have been better. The opportunity to see 5 flying Lightnings and 2 more at different stages of construction, plus various parts and pieces, as well as 2 Esquals to illustrate the differences, was also priceless! Add to this the patient, expert and detailed answers to endless questions, provided by Nick, Mark, Mike and Pete, from the manufacturers viewpoint, then the generous sharing of observations, tips and encouragement from builders and flyers at different stages of their journey. And of course the demo rides with PIC Buzz. I think I got the first and possibly longest flight early on Friday morning. It was everything I hoped! Over the course of two days, I think I managed to interrogate everyone present who was either a builder (current or past), an employee, or married to an employee! I got to talk through every major operation in the construction process and developed confidence that I could do this at home with moderate use of the telephone and heavy use of the Yahoo group. (How did anyone build airplane kits before the Internet?) I think everyone realized that I dont want to do any more fiberglass work than necessary, but I think I am okay with most of what little there is. I will seek out someone with experience at EAA chapter 10. If the h. stabilizer and elevator molds were updated by the time I take delivery of my kit, so that fiberglass work on those could be avoided, that would really be icing on the cake! The pre-formed side windows look like they will save significant effort and give an even better result. I like the newly available steps and canopy hoop. The 30 gallon fuel option is great and I hope the extended wingtips work out. Finally, to all those who have completed their builds, congratulations! It may be called amateur built, but the finish, fit and quality of the work certainly does not suggest this. I have never seen a finer flight of experimentals and builders! Thanks to you all for a great weekend! Colin K. OK


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    Time: 07:07:52 PM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Homecoming
    Several folks have already written about the Lightning fly-in and others will probably do the same. My thoughts are just as have been already stated - it was an outstanding weekend. Good weather, great comradery, outstanding hospitality by the SYI group, fun hangar talk and information sharing, plus it was good to be able to put a face to the names on the list. I enjoyed Earl's talk about his world record flight, but I do hope he got home without being arrested by the "fashion" police. Pete and Nick's recount of how the Lightning came to be was certainly interesting and shows what can be accomplished by dedicated, talented people, and I am sure everyone enjoyed what they have planned for the future. As to the presentation on test flying experimental aircraft by that bald headed guy, let me know if you have any suggestions as it is scheduled to be given to other aviation groups in the near future. The weekend highlight for me was flying with many of you in the Lightning Demonstrator. I flew a total of 15 demo rides and Nick flew some as well, so hopefully everyone that wanted a flight got one. I even put seven more hours on the prototype while I was here in SYI. Unfortunately, I have to fly back to Virginia tomorrow, but I look forward to putting more time on it in the future. The next mod scheduled to be tested on the prototype will be the new wing tip extensions. Nick will start testing them sometime soon, with the goal of having their design finalized by the Sebring show. Of course the event was made even that more special when Nick made the first flight on Jim Goad's beautiful airplane. (You may not have heard, but he even has a parking brake in it.) I just happened to be in the air on a demo ride and was able to join up to provide airspeed calls in the pattern since he lost that "somewhat needed information source" during the flight. Overall "piece of cake" for the "golden hands" Nick. The next to fly will likely be Dick Clevengar's "Rocky Mountain Special" as it is being inspected this week. Congratulations to Tom, Al, and Dan are in order since this Wisconsin Lightning flew early this morning. Final thought - I predict that the Lightning team is going to get busier and busier. With a beautiful airplane that looks like it is going Mach II just sitting on the ramp and all the other outstanding things that have been written about it, Mark, Mike and Nick are certainly going to be kept busy. Mark, Shelbyville's most "eligible elder" bachelor (Ben is the youngest), will probably have to start bringing his many different dates to work with him or otherwise do without. Keep up the good work, Mark. Maybe next time we really can have a Tennessee Walking Horse breeding demonstration. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Mike, how was the ''Moostang" show?


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    Time: 07:15:18 PM PST US
    From: EAFerguson@AOL.COM
    Subject: Homecoming weekend
    I don't have to tell the people who were there how great a weekend it was. But if you weren't able to attend, we missed you, and you missed a singular experience. However, we will probably give you another chance. We're already starting to talk about next year. With 18 flying and another 30+ in the works, we will soon have a sizable group. Maybe it's a bit early to be organizing a type club, but it isn't too soon to be thinking about it. Here are my thoughts to kick things off. First point. Include Lightnings and Esquals. Not only is there a resemblance, but the Esquals were a part of the Shelbyville/Arion community. Besides, we need Buz in the group. Juan too if he keeps his Esqual. Arion was extremely generous in hosting the first gathering, but by next year the group will be much larger. We will need to take some of the responsibility, and expense, off their shoulders. We are geographically a pretty diverse group. Green Landings came down for this assemblage, and it would be nice to visit their location. Gregg and Crystal Hobbs in Arizona are worth a visit too. I had that privilege last month. We will probably divide up into regions eventually. Are there other dealer locations? Anybody passing through Atlanta, please let me know. That's my thoughts for now. Earl Ferguson N17EF Atlanta


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    Time: 08:01:54 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Homecoming weekend
    Thanks Earl for all you have done. I would vote for a fly-in at the Green Landings location next year and then perhaps move it around the country at each of the rep's regions? Of course if we do that, we will lose the magic of visiting the "home base" at SYI! Either way, I will be flying mine next year, so I'm sorry I missed it in 2007, but am looking forward to 2008. Jim! www.jimslightning.com <http://www.jimslightning.com/> _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EAFerguson@aol.com Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 10:15 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Homecoming weekend I don't have to tell the people who were there how great a weekend it was. But if you weren't able to attend, we missed you, and you missed a singular experience. However, we will probably give you another chance. We're already starting to talk about next year. With 18 flying and another 30+ in the works, we will soon have a sizable group. Maybe it's a bit early to be organizing a type club, but it isn't too soon to be thinking about it. Here are my thoughts to kick things off. First point. Include Lightnings and Esquals. Not only is there a resemblance, but the Esquals were a part of the Shelbyville/Arion community. Besides, we need Buz in the group. Juan too if he keeps his Esqual. Arion was extremely generous in hosting the first gathering, but by next year the group will be much larger. We will need to take some of the responsibility, and expense, off their shoulders. We are geographically a pretty diverse group. Green Landings came down for this assemblage, and it would be nice to visit their location. Gregg and Crystal Hobbs in Arizona are worth a visit too. I had that privilege last month. We will probably divide up into regions eventually. Are there other dealer locations? Anybody passing through Atlanta, please let me know. That's my thoughts for now. Earl Ferguson N17EF Atlanta _____ See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage.


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    Time: 08:24:15 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Updated pics and quotes
    Ok all: I updated the site with the pics you all sent me and some quotes from a few people. Hopefully if someone who is interested in the Lightning visits the site, they will read the comments and view the pictures. Jim! www.jimslightning.com




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