---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/02/07: 2 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 09:11 PM - Re: Lightning-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 11/01/07 (fostersvision@AOL.COM) 2. 11:32 PM - Re: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 11/01/07 (Mike Allen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:17 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 11/01/07 From: fostersvision@AOL.COM List, How do I properly unsubscribe from this list serve as I have tried on two occasion to no avail... Thanks in advance, R. -----Original Message----- From: Lightning-List Digest Server Sent: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:56 pm Subject: Lightning-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 11/01/07 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete Lightning-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation. The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Lightning-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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(Matt Dralle) 1. 06:46 AM - Re: Lightning builders (nick otterback) 2. 06:59 AM - parts (Tex Mantell) 3. 08:23 AM - Re: Lightning builders () 4. 12:45 PM - COM & Transponder Antennas (Mefford, Walt) 5. 01:08 PM - Re: COM & Transponder Antennas (Jim Langley) 6. 01:48 PM - Re: COM & Transponder Antennas (Mefford, Walt) 7. 02:42 PM - Re: COM & Transponder Antennas (Jim Langley) 8. 03:00 PM - Re: COM & Transponder Antennas (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS) 9. 03:55 PM - Re: parts (Mark Stauffer) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:33:43 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Lightning-List: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! Dear Listers, You've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam from any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. These include, for example: The Email List Postings - http://www.matronics.com/listbrowse The Email List Forum Site - http://forums.matronics.com The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search This is because I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely about the sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising! But running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't free and a fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class Internet connectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites turn to advertising to support these costs. Advertising that you have to look at each and every time you read an email message or browse the their web site. Rather than subject my List community to another constant commercial bombardment, I have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services. It's solely through the Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to be possible! During the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message every few days and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month throughout these regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-) To minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I implemented a new feature late last year specifically related to making Contributions. If you are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution using the online web site, you will no longer receive the email from me regarding the Fund Raiser! There are a couple of exceptions to this, however. If someone replies to a Contribution message I've sent, you might receive that. Additionally, the messages will always be posted to the Forums site. To a first order, however, once you make a Contribution, you won't get my email messages about the Fund Raiser for the rest of the month. For Contributions by check, the squelch will take effect once the check is received. There is a whole new line up of really great Contribution gifts this year! When you make a qualifying Contribution, you can select one of the many free gifts that are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided through the generous support of a number of our industry's leading supporters including: Bob Nuckolls - AeroElectric - http://www.aeroelectric.com Andy Gold - Builder's Bookstore - http://www.buildersbooks.com Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - http://www.homebuilthelp.com Please visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great products to offer and are generously supporting the Matronics List Fund Raiser. You can make your List Contribution using any one of three secure methods this year including using a credit card, PayPal, or by personal check. From the Contribution site, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this year in order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to scroll all the way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's available! Please make a List Support Contribution: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous support! Your Contributions truely keep this operation afloat! Thank you, Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:11 AM PST US From: nick otterback Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning builders Colin..the cut outs are suppose to be there...i think we may have to check up with the fiberglass shop.... nick "Colin J. Kennedy" wrote: v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui) } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } PRE { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier New" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Mark S. or Nic, Are there any plans to deliver future kits with the cut-outs for rudder and harness cables already made in the aft-fuselage bulkhead ? Colin K. Ok (Kit on order. deposit paid! :-) --------------------------------- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:38 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning builders Hi All, I'd like to get the names and Email addresses of all Lightning builders that are not using builder assist programs. The builder's manual does not give enough detail about how some parts are installed and or assembled. Dimensional values and reference points are, at times, hard to comprehend as well. I believe this special group of builders could benefit from sharing their unique experiences with others in like situations. This would save some phone calls to Arion. So far in my build I have had the following issues to contend with: 1. Aft fuselage bulkhead (not vertical stab) installed with elevator push-pull tube rectangle cutout but, no holes cut for rudder and harness cables. Its going to be a bear getting into this area to cut these holes with a hole saw and to locate them accurately as well. 2. The mid-elevator bell crank, which is installed in a slot in the seat back, does not give a picture of how this is assembled prior to installation so it is up to you to determine how many washers and where they are located in this assembly. The builder manual says that the long pivot horn should not stick up above the break in the seat back but, the picture they provide clearly shows that it does. Bill in Tucson, Kit #49 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:59:25 AM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Lightning-List: parts Mark, got the parts today . That was fast. ThankYou TEX ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:00 AM PST US From: Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning builders Thanks Nick. I got the same answer from Mark and he was going to follow up. Colin K. OK ---- nick otterback wrote: > Colin..the cut outs are suppose to be there...i think we may have to check up with the fiberglass shop.... > > nick > > "Colin J. Kennedy" wrote: > v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui) } @font-face { font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in 1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } DIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } PRE { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier > New" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-style-type: personal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Mark S. or Nic, > > Are there any plans to deliver future kits with the cut-outs for rudder and harness cables already made in the aft-fuselage bulkhead ? > > Colin K. > Ok > (Kit on order. deposit paid! :-) > > > > > --------------------------------- > > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill > Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:38 AM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning builders > > > Hi All, > > I'd like to get the names and Email addresses of all Lightning builders that are not using builder assist programs. The builder's manual does not give enough detail about how some parts are installed and or assembled. Dimensional values and reference points are, at times, hard to comprehend as well. I believe this special group of builders could benefit from sharing their unique experiences with others in like situations. This would save some phone calls to Arion. > > So far in my build I have had the following issues to contend with: > > 1. Aft fuselage bulkhead (not vertical stab) installed with elevator push-pull tube rectangle cutout but, no holes cut for rudder and harness cables. Its going to be a bear getting into this area to cut these holes with a hole saw and to locate them accurately as well. > > 2. The mid-elevator bell crank, which is installed in a slot in the seat back, does not give a picture of how this is assembled prior to installation so it is up to you to determine how many washers and where they are located in this assembly. The builder manual says that the long pivot horn should not stick up above the break in the seat back but, the picture they provide clearly shows that it does. > > Bill in Tucson, Kit #49 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > > > > > http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:45:25 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas From: "Mefford, Walt" I am kind of curious about some of the COM and Transponder antennas some of you have selected for your Lightning aircraft. Any suggestions? Walt Mefford ------------------------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the s ole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e -mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:08:59 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas Walt: This is what I used. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/antennasystems.php Jim! On 11/1/07, Mefford, Walt wrote: > > I am kind of curious about some of the COM and Transponder antennas some > of you have selected for your Lightning aircraft. Any suggestions? > > > Walt Mefford > > ------------------------- > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this > e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:55 PM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas From: "Mefford, Walt" Thanks Jim: I have been looking at them. Where did you mount them? Walt ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:07 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas Walt: This is what I used. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/antennasystems.php Jim! On 11/1/07, Mefford, Walt wrote: I am kind of curious about some of the COM and Transponder antennas some of you have selected for your Lightning aircraft. Any suggestions? Walt Mefford ------------------------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:42:15 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas I haven't mounted it next. That will be taken care of on my next trips down to work on the aircraft. The comm antenna get's mounted about halfway back inside the fuse shell.in a vertical plane. It wraps around the the inside of the fuse like a "C". Jim! On 11/1/07, Mefford, Walt wrote: > > Thanks Jim: > > > I have been looking at them. Where did you mount them? > > > Walt > > > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Langley > *Sent:* Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:07 PM > *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas > > > Walt: > > > This is what I used. > > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/antennasystems.php > > > Jim! > > > On 11/1/07, *Mefford, Walt* wrote: > > I am kind of curious about some of the COM and Transponder antennas some > of you have selected for your Lightning aircraft. Any suggestions? > > > Walt Mefford > > ------------------------- > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the > sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, > please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this > e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in > error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > Thank you for your cooperation > > > * * > > * * > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:00:03 PM PST US From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas Walt, I used the Jim Weir copper tape and built the antennas for all but transponder; I used the AAE transponder antenna. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Mefford, Walt To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:44 PM Subject: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas I am kind of curious about some of the COM and Transponder antennas some of you have selected for your Lightning aircraft. Any suggestions? Walt Mefford ------------------------- This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. Thank you for your cooperation ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------- ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:26 PM PST US From: "Mark Stauffer" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: parts Tex, You're very welcome. I still owe you and un-painted pilot side step. Mark From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tex Mantell Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:59 AM Subject: Lightning-List: parts Mark, got the parts today . That was fast. ThankYou TEX ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:39 PM PST US From: Mike Allen Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 11/01/07 I went through the same thing when trying to leave the 601 list. I finally requested help from the moderator. He took care of it.=0A=0A=0A----- Orig inal Message ----=0AFrom: "fostersvision@aol.com" =0ATo: lightning-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Friday, November 2, 2007 9:10:3 2 PM=0ASubject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 11/01/ 07=0A=0A=0AList,=0AHow do I properly unsubscribe from this list serve as I have tried on two occasion to no avail...=0AThanks in advance,=0AR.=0A=0A =0A=0A=0A=0A-----Original Message-----=0AFrom: Lightning-List Digest Server =0ATo: Lightning-List Digest List =0ASent: Thu, 1 Nov 2007 11:56 pm=0ASubject: Lig htning-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 11/01/07=0A=0A=0A*=0A=0A ====== ====================0A Online Versi ons of Today's List Digest Archive=0A ============ ==============0A=0AToday's complete Lightning-Lis t Digest can also be found in either of the =0Atwo Web Links listed below. The .html file includes the Digest formatted =0Ain HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes =0Aand Message Navigation. T he .txt file includes the plain ASCII version =0Aof the Lightning-List Dige st and can be viewed with a generic text editor =0Asuch as Notepad or with a web browser. =0A=0AHTML Version:=0A=0A http://www.matronics.com/digest /digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 07-11-01&Archive=Li ghtning=0A=0AText Version:=0A=0A http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestv iew.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 07-11-01&Archive=Lightning =0A=0A=0A ===================== ===0A EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive=0A ===== ===================0A=0A =0A ----------------------------------------------------------=0A Lightning-List Digest Archive=0A ---=0A Total Messages Posted Thu 11/01/07: 10 =0A ----------------------------------------------------------=0A =0A =0AToday's Message Index:=0A----------------------=0A =0A 0. 12:33 AM - November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month! (Matt =0ADralle) =0A 1. 06:46 AM - Re: Lightning builders (nick otterback)=0A 2. 06 :59 AM - parts (Tex Mantell)=0A 3. 08:23 AM - Re: Lightning builders ()=0A 4. 12:45 PM - COM & Transponder Antennas (Mefford, Walt)=0A 5. 01:08 PM - Re: COM & Transponder Antennas (Jim Langley)=0A 6. 01:4 8 PM - Re: COM & Transponder Antennas (Mefford, Walt)=0A 7. 02:42 PM - Re: COM & Transponder Antennas (Jim Langley)=0A 8. 03:00 PM - Re: COM & Transponder Antennas (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA =0AMATHIAS)=0A 9. 03:55 PM - Re: parts (Mark Stauffer)=0A =0A =0A =0A____________________________ ____ Message 0 _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 12:33: 43 AM PST US=0AFrom: Matt Dralle =0ASubject: Lightnin g-List: November is Matronics Email List Fund Raiser Month!=0A=0A=0ADear Li sters,=0A=0AYou've probably noticed that there are no banner ads or pop-up windows or spam=0Afrom any of the List and Forum services at Matronics. Th ese include, for =0Aexample:=0A=0A The Email List Postings - http://www. matronics.com/listbrowse=0A=0A The Email List Forum Site - http://forums .matronics.com=0A=0A The List Wiki - http://wiki.matronics.com=0A=0A The List Search Engine - http://www.matronics.com/search=0A=0AThis is becau se I have always enjoyed a List experience that was completely =0Aabout=0At he sport we enjoy - airplanes - and not about advertising!=0A=0ABut running a high performance, highly available service like this isn't free =0Aand =0Aa fair amount of money in terms of computer upgrades, business-class Int ernet=0Aconnectivity, and electricity. Consequently, many similar sites tu rn to =0Aadvertising=0Ato support these costs. Advertising that you have t o look at each and=0Aevery time you read an email message or browse the the ir web site.=0A=0ARather than subject my List community to another constant commercial =0Abombardment,=0AI have chosen to hold a PBS-like fund raiser each year in November to support=0Athe continued operation and upgrade of t he List services. It's solely through=0Athe Contributions of List members that the Lists and Forums continue to be=0Apossible!=0A=0ADuring the month, I will be sending out a Fund Raiser reminder message every few=0Adays and I ask for your patience and understanding during the month throughout=0Athe se regular messages. Think of them as PBS' Pledge Breaks... :-) =0A=0ATo minimize the impact of the Fund Raiser on the List community, I implemented =0Aa new feature late last year specifically related to making Contribution s. If=0Ayou are an Email List subscriber, once you make a Contribution usi ng the online=0Aweb site, you will no longer receive the email from me rega rding the Fund =0ARaiser!=0AThere are a couple of exceptions to this, howev er. If someone replies=0Ato a Contribution message I've sent, you might re ceive that. Additionally, the=0Amessages will always be posted to the Foru ms site. To a first order, however,=0Aonce you make a Contribution, you wo n't get my email messages about the Fund=0ARaiser for the rest of the month . For Contributions by check, the squelch=0Awill take effect once the chec k is received.=0A=0AThere is a whole new line up of really great Contributi on gifts this year! When=0Ayou make a qualifying Contribution, you can sel ect one of the many free gifts=0Athat are available during the Fund Raiser. These gifts are provided through=0Athe generous support of a number of ou r industry's leading supporters including:=0A=0A Bob Nuckolls - AeroElec tric - http://www.aeroelectric.com=0A =0A Andy Gold - Builder's Books tore - http://www.buildersbooks.com=0A=0A Jon Croke - HomebuiltHELP - ht tp://www.homebuilthelp.com=0A=0APlease visit these guy's respective sites, as they have some great products to=0Aoffer and are generously supporting t he Matronics List Fund Raiser.=0A=0AYou can make your List Contribution usi ng any one of three secure methods this=0Ayear including using a credit car d, PayPal, or by personal check. From the =0AContribution=0Asite, you can select any one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying=0AContribution a mount. The Contribution page is pretty loooonnnnng this year=0Ain order to list great selection of great gifts available so be sure to scroll=0Aall t he way to the bottom of the web page to see everything that's available!=0A =0APlease make a List Support Contribution:=0A=0A http://www.matroni cs.com/contribution=0A=0AI would like to thank everyone in advance for thei r generous support! Your =0AContributions=0Atruely keep this operation afl oat!=0A=0AThank you,=0A=0AMatt Dralle=0AMatronics Email List Forum Administ rator=0A=0A=0A________________________________ Message 1 ________________ _____________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 06:46:11 AM PST US=0AFrom: nick otterba ck =0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning builders =0A=0AColin..the cut outs are suppose to be there...i think we may have to check up =0Awith=0Athe fiberglass shop....=0A =0A nick=0A=0A"Colin J. Ke nnedy" wrote:=0A v\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: =0Aurl(#default#VML)=0A} w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#d efault#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: =0Aurl(#default#VML)=0A} st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui) } @font-face=0A{ font-family: Tah oma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margin: 1.0in=0A1.25in 1.0in 1 .25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt;=0ACOLOR: bl ack; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE:=0A12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } =0ADI V.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; =0AFONT -FAMILY:=0A"Times New Roman" } A:link { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: u nderline=0A} SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited=0A{ COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } SPAN.MsoHy perlinkFollowed {=0A COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } PRE { FO NT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN:=0A0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier =0A New" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-sty le-type:=0Apersonal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Mark S. or Nic,=0A =0A Are there any plans to deliver future kits with the cu t-outs for rudder and =0Aharness=0Acables already made in the aft-fuselage bulkhead ?=0A =0A Colin K.=0A Ok=0A (Kit on order. deposit paid! :-) =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A---------------------------------=0A=0A From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis t-server@matronics.com] =0AOn Behalf Of Bill=0ASent: Friday, October 12, 20 07 11:38 AM=0ASubject: Lightning-List: Lightning builders=0A=0A =0A Hi A ll,=0A=0AI'd like to get the names and Email addresses of all Lightning bui lders that are=0Anot using builder assist programs. The builder's manual d oes not give enough=0Adetail about how some parts are installed and or asse mbled. Dimensional values=0Aand reference points are, at times, hard to co mprehend as well. I believe=0Athis special group of builders could benefit from sharing their unique =0Aexperiences=0Awith others in like situations. This would save some phone calls to Arion.=0A=0ASo far in my build I have had the following issues to contend with:=0A=0A1. Aft fuselage bulkhead ( not vertical stab) installed with elevator push-pull=0Atube rectangle cutou t but, no holes cut for rudder and harness cables. Its =0Agoing=0Ato be a bear getting into this area to cut these holes with a hole saw and=0Ato lo cate them accurately as well.=0A=0A2. The mid-elevator bell crank, which i s installed in a slot in the seat back,=0Adoes not give a picture of how th is is assembled prior to installation so it=0Ais up to you to determine how many washers and where they are located in this=0Aassembly. The builder m anual says that the long pivot horn should not stick up=0Aabove the break i n the seat back but, the picture they provide clearly shows=0Athat it does. =0A=0ABill in Tucson, Kit #49=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Li ghtning-List=0A=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com=0A=0A=0A href="http:/ /www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navig ator?Lightning-List =0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums. matronics.com =0A=0A=0A ________________________________________________ __=0A=0A________________________________ Message 2 ______________________ _______________=0A=0A=0ATime: 06:59:25 AM PST US=0AFrom: "Tex Mantell" =0ASubject: Lightning-List: parts =0A=0AMark, got the pa rts today . That was fast. ThankYou=0A=0ATEX=0A=0A_________________________ _______ Message 3 _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 08: 23:00 AM PST US=0AFrom: =0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List: Lig htning builders=0A=0A=0AThanks Nick. I got the same answer from Mark and he was going to follow up.=0A=0AColin K.=0AOK=0A---- nick otterback wrote: =0A> Colin..the cut outs are suppose to be there...i thi nk we may have to check up=0Awith the fiberglass shop....=0A> =0A> nic k=0A> =0A> "Colin J. Kennedy" wrote:=0A> v\:* { BE HAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } o\:* { BEHAVIOR: =0Aurl(#default#VML)=0A} w\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#VML) } .shape { BEHAVIOR: =0Aurl(#defau lt#VML)=0A} st1\:* { BEHAVIOR: url(#default#ieooui) } @font-fa ce=0A{ font-family: Tahoma; } @page Section1 {size: 8.5in 11.0in; margi n: 1.0in=0A1.25in 1.0in 1.25in; } P.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in=0A0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY: "Times New Roman" } LI.MsoNorm al { =0AFONT-SIZE:=0A12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; FONT-FAMILY : "Times New Roman" }=0ADIV.MsoNormal { FONT-SIZE: 12pt; MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: black; =0AFONT-FAMILY:=0A"Times New Roman" } A:link { COLO R: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline=0A} SPAN.MsoHyperlink { COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATION: underline } A:visited=0A{ COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATIO N: underline } SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed=0A{ COLOR: blue; TEXT-DECORATI ON: underline } PRE { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; MARGIN:=0A0in 0in 0pt; COLOR: bl ack; FONT-FAMILY: "Courier=0A> New" } SPAN.EmailStyle18 { COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; =0Amso-style-type:=0Apersonal-reply } DIV.Section1 { page: Section1 } Mark S. or Nic,=0A> =0A> Are there any plans to deliver future kits with the cut-outs for rudder and=0Aharness cables a lready made in the aft-fuselage bulkhead ?=0A> =0A> Colin K.=0A> Ok =0A> (Kit on order. deposit paid! :-)=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> ---------------------------------=0A> =0A> From: owner-lightnin g-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.c om] =0AOn Behalf Of Bill=0A> Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 11:38 AM=0A> To : lightning-list@matronics.com=0A> Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning build ers=0A> =0A> =0A> Hi All,=0A> =0A> I'd like to get the names and Email addresses of all Lightning builders that=0Aare not using builder assist pr ograms. The builder's manual does not give =0Aenough=0Adetail about how so me parts are installed and or assembled. Dimensional values=0Aand referenc e points are, at times, hard to comprehend as well. I believe=0Athis speci al group of builders could benefit from sharing their unique =0Aexperiences =0Awith others in like situations. This would save some phone calls to Ari on.=0A> =0A> So far in my build I have had the following issues to contend with:=0A> =0A> 1. Aft fuselage bulkhead (not vertical stab) installed with elevator =0Apush-pull=0Atube rectangle cutout but, no holes cut for rudder and harness cables. Its=0Agoing to be a bear getting into this area to cu t these holes with a hole saw=0Aand to locate them accurately as well.=0A> =0A> 2. The mid-elevator bell crank, which is installed in a slot in the seat =0Aback,=0Adoes not give a picture of how this is assembled prior to i nstallation so it=0Ais up to you to determine how many washers and where th ey are located in this=0Aassembly. The builder manual says that the long p ivot horn should not stick=0Aup above the break in the seat back but, the p icture they provide clearly shows=0Athat it does.=0A> =0A> Bill in Tucson, Kit #49=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A > =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning -List=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> http://forums.matronics.co m=0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navi gator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List =0Ahref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com =0A> =0A> =0A> =0A> __________________________________________________=0A=0A =0A________________________________ Message 4 ___________________________ __________=0A=0A=0ATime: 12:45:25 PM PST US=0ASubject: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas=0AFrom: "Mefford, Walt" =0A =0AI am kind of curious about some of the COM and Transponder antennas some =0Aof you have selected for your Lightning aircraft. Any suggestions?=0A =0A=0AWalt Mefford=0A=0A=0A------------------------- =0AThis e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the s=0Aole use of the i ntended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, =0Aplease be awa re that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this e=0A-mail or a ny attachment is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in=0A error, please contact the sender and delete all copies. =0AThank you for your coo peration =0A=0A=0A________________________________ Message 5 ____________ _________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 01:08:59 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Jim Lan gley" =0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List: COM & Transponde r Antennas=0A=0AWalt:=0A=0AThis is what I used.=0A=0Ahttp://www.aircraftspr uce.com/catalog/avpages/antennasystems.php=0A=0AJim!=0A=0A=0AOn 11/1/07, Me fford, Walt wrote:=0A>=0A> I am kind of curious about some of the COM and Transponder antennas some=0A> of you have selecte d for your Lightning aircraft. Any suggestions?=0A>=0A>=0A> Walt Mefford =0A>=0A> -------------------------=0A>=0A> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the=0A> sole use of the intended reci pient. If you are not the intended recipient,=0A> please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of this=0A> e-mail or any attachme nt is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in=0A> error, please con tact the sender and delete all copies.=0A>=0A> Thank you for your cooperati on=0A>=0A>=0A> *=0A>=0A> *=0A>=0A>=0A=0A________________________________ M essage 6 _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 01:48:55 PM P ST US=0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas=0AFrom: "Me fford, Walt" =0A=0AThanks Jim:=0A=0A=0AI have been looking at them. Where did you mount them?=0A=0A=0AWalt=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A=0AFrom: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.co m=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim=0AL angley=0ASent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 1:07 PM=0ASubject: Re: Lightning -List: COM & Transponder Antennas=0A=0A=0AWalt:=0A=0A=0AThis is what I used .=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/avpages/antennasystems.php =0A=0A=0AJim!=0A=0A=0AOn 11/1/07, Mefford, Walt w rote: =0A=0AI am kind of curious about some of the COM and Transponder ante nnas some=0Aof you have selected for your Lightning aircraft. Any suggesti ons? =0A=0A=0AWalt Mefford=0A=0A------------------------- =0A=0AThis e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for=0Athe sole use o f the intended recipient. If you are not the intended=0Arecipient, please b e aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or=0Ause of this e-mail or any attachment is prohibited. If you have received=0Athis e-mail in erro r, please contact the sender and delete all copies. =0A=0AThank you for you r cooperation =0A=0A=0A________________________________ Message 7 _______ ______________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 02:42:15 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Ji m Langley" =0ASubject: Re: Lightning-List: COM & Trans ponder Antennas=0A=0AI haven't mounted it next. That will be taken care of on my next trips down=0Ato work on the aircraft. The comm antenna get's m ounted about halfway back=0Ainside the fuse shell.in a vertical plane. It wraps around the the inside=0Aof the fuse like a "C".=0A=0AJim!=0A=0A=0AOn 11/1/07, Mefford, Walt wrote:=0A>=0A> Thanks Jim :=0A>=0A>=0A> I have been looking at them. Where did you mount them?=0A> =0A>=0A> Walt=0A>=0A>=0A> ------------------------------=0A>=0A> *From:* o wner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:=0A> owner-lightning-list- server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Jim Langley=0A> *Sent:* Thursday, Nove mber 01, 2007 1:07 PM=0A> *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com=0A> *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas=0A>=0A>=0A> Walt:=0A>=0A> =0A> This is what I used.=0A>=0A>=0A> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog /avpages/antennasystems.php=0A>=0A>=0A> Jim!=0A>=0A>=0A> On 11/1/07, *Meffo rd, Walt* wrote:=0A>=0A> I am kind of curious abo ut some of the COM and Transponder antennas some=0A> of you have selected f or your Lightning aircraft. Any suggestions?=0A>=0A>=0A> Walt Mefford=0A> =0A> -------------------------=0A>=0A> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the=0A> sole use of the intended recipien t. If you are not the intended recipient,=0A> please be aware that any disc losure, copying, distribution or use of this=0A> e-mail or any attachment i s prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in=0A> error, please contact the sender and delete all copies.=0A>=0A> Thank you for your cooperation =0A>=0A>=0A> * *=0A>=0A> * *=0A>=0A> * *=0A>=0A>=0A> * *=0A>=0A> * *=0A>=0A > **=0A>=0A> **=0A>=0A> **=0A>=0A> **=0A>=0A> **=0A>=0A> **=0A>=0A> * *=0A> =0A> *=0A>=0A> *=0A>=0A>=0A=0A________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 03:00:03 PM PST US=0AFr om: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" =0ASubject: Re: L ightning-List: COM & Transponder Antennas=0A=0A Walt,=0A=0A I used th e Jim Weir copper tape and built the antennas for all but =0Atransponder; I used the AAE transponder antenna.=0A=0A =0A Linda =0A ----- Original Messa ge ----- =0A From: Mefford, Walt =0A To: lightning-list@matronics.com =0A Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 3:44 PM=0A Subject: Lightning- List: COM & Transponder Antennas=0A=0A=0A I am kind of curious about som e of the COM and Transponder antennas =0Asome of you have selected for your Lightning aircraft. Any suggestions?=0A=0A=0A Walt Mefford=0A=0A -- ----------------------- =0A=0A This e-mail and any attachments may conta in confidential material =0Afor the sole use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended =0Arecipient, please be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or =0Ause of this e-mail or any attachment is prohib ited. If you have received =0Athis e-mail in error, please contact the send er and delete all copies. =0A=0A Thank you for your cooperation =0A=0A =0A------------------------------------------------------------------------ -=0A-------=0A=0A=0A________________________________ Message 9 __________ ___________________________=0A=0A=0ATime: 03:55:26 PM PST US=0AFrom: "Mark Stauffer" =0ASubject: RE: Lightning-List: parts =0A=0ATex,=0A=0A=0AYou're very welcome. I still owe you and un-painted pilo t side step.=0A=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0AFrom: owner-lightning-list-server@matroni cs.com=0A[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Te x Mantell=0ASent: Thursday, November 01, 2007 8:59 AM=0ASubject: Lightning- List: parts =0A=0A=0AMark, got the parts today . That was fast. 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