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1. 06:55 AM - N730AL (Tex Mantell)
2. 10:06 AM - Re: N730AL (Jim Langley)
3. 04:03 PM - Re: N730AL (Tex Mantell)
4. 05:13 PM - Insurance for Lightning A/C (Wayne Lenox)
5. 05:48 PM - Re: Insurance for Lightning A/C (Colin J. Kennedy)
6. 06:26 PM - Re: Insurance for Lightning A/C (Robert Ames)
7. 06:48 PM - Lightning insurance (Wayne Lenox)
8. 07:15 PM - Re: E-LSA Insurance (EAFerguson@AOL.COM)
9. 07:28 PM - Re: Lightning insurance (Colin J. Kennedy)
10. 07:30 PM - Re: Re: E-LSA Insurance (Colin J. Kennedy)
11. 07:32 PM - Re: Re: E-LSA Insurance (Colin J. Kennedy)
12. 07:33 PM - Re: Lightning insurance (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
13. 07:36 PM - Re: Re: E-LSA Insurance (Wayne Lenox)
14. 07:59 PM - Re: Lightning insurance (Wayne Lenox)
15. 08:02 PM - Re: Insurance for Lightning A/C (Johnny Thompson)
16. 08:12 PM - Re: Re: E-LSA Insurance (Wayne Lenox)
17. 09:25 PM - Re: Re: E-LSA Insurance (Brian Whittingham)
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WoW, the picture taken in the shop looks terrific. Did you use a paint
mask or did you lay out the design with tape? I see you changed the
position of your "N" number from the original layout. Looks good. How
hard was it to get the line over the tail section to look right? I may
copy part of your scheme for its the best I have seen yet. Tex
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Thanks Tex
I believe that the painter masked everything with tape. I had changed the
design of where the tail number is located because the masking did not turn
out quite like I had expected, and I wanted to do something to dress it up.
The Lightning logo, number and strike are going to be graphics done for me
to be applied later. The pic shows what they will look like, although the
Lightning logo will be a different color.
THanks for the encouragement.
Jim!
On 12/27/07, Tex Mantell <wb2ssj@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> WoW, the picture taken in the shop looks terrific. Did you use a paint
> mask or did you lay out the design with tape? I see you changed the position
> of your "N" number from the original layout. Looks good. How hard was it to
> get the line over the tail section to look right? I may copy part of your
> scheme for its the best I have seen yet. Tex
>
> **
>
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One question I have about the "N" number, the size is ok, but how much
of a angle and what font will the FAA except? The preivos picture showed
the number up on the tail and at a 45 degree angle. Have you researched
this at all? Tex
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N730AL
Thanks Tex
I believe that the painter masked everything with tape. I had changed
the design of where the tail number is located because the masking did
not turn out quite like I had expected, and I wanted to do something to
dress it up. The Lightning logo, number and strike are going to be
graphics done for me to be applied later. The pic shows what they will
look like, although the Lightning logo will be a different color.
THanks for the encouragement.
Jim!
On 12/27/07, Tex Mantell <wb2ssj@earthlink.net> wrote:
WoW, the picture taken in the shop looks terrific. Did you use a
paint mask or did you lay out the design with tape? I see you changed
the position of your "N" number from the original layout. Looks good.
How hard was it to get the line over the tail section to look right? I
may copy part of your scheme for its the best I have seen yet. Tex
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| Subject: | Insurance for Lightning A/C |
New to this web site and have a question. Where do we get insurance for
the lightning E-LSA A/C? I am ready to move from my C-182 to a Lightni
ng, but have not found insurance. I have tried EAA and AOPA, with no lu
ck. Do you guys fly with out insurance?
Thanks, Wayne
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| Subject: | Insurance for Lightning A/C |
I got a quote from EAA, but note that the Lightning is not an E-LSA.
Since
Arion does not offer a finished airplane as an SLSA, they cannot deliver
an
ELSA kit.
You can build and register it as an Experimental that complies with LS
limitations and can be flown by a Light Sport pilot.
Colin K.
OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Lenox
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Insurance for Lightning A/C
New to this web site and have a question. Where do we get insurance for
the
lightning E-LSA A/C? I am ready to move from my C-182 to a Lightning,
but
have not found insurance. I have tried EAA and AOPA, with no luck. Do
you
guys fly with out insurance?
Thanks, Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance for Lightning A/C |
Wayne, contact Falcon Ins. 830-257-1000 they will insure Lightning's
and Esquals. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Lenox
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Insurance for Lightning A/C
New to this web site and have a question. Where do we get insurance
for the lightning E-LSA A/C? I am ready to move from my C-182 to a
Lightning, but have not found insurance. I have tried EAA and AOPA,
with no luck. Do you guys fly with out insurance?
Thanks, Wayne
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| Subject: | Lightning insurance |
Thanks
I have tried Falcon insurance. They said no to the Lightning. Gave me
a quote for the Jabriu 250 and it was over twice what I pay for my C182.
I will try again with SLSA and see if that makes a difference.
Colin
I am not up to speed on LSA and E-LSA or experimental LSA. What is SLSA
?
Thanks, Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA Insurance |
If you are building a LSA Lightning like mine it's an E-LSA. Mine is insured
by AIG, but I'm surprised that Falcon would not quote yours. Mine was the
first Light Sport and only the 3rd Lightning to fly, and there was some
hesitation at AIG. My Broker went through Falcon somehow to convince AIG. Sorry
I
don't have any details on how that came about. By now we have several Light
Sport versions and no adverse history, so the insurers should be more
comfortable.
Could Mark or Nick give us a LSA count?
Good luck getting that problem solved.
Earl Ferguson
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| Subject: | Lightning insurance |
SLSA = special light sport aircraft - a ready to fly aircraft
delivered by
the manufacturer that flies within the defined light sport envelope
(speed,
stall, weight etc.)
ELSA = a kit version of the above - but can only be sold if the above
exists
experimental = a kit, which may (in the Lightning's case can) be
constructed
to fly within the defined light sport envelope and therefor be flown by
a
sport pilot
Colin K.
OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne
Lenox
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Thanks
I have tried Falcon insurance. They said no to the Lightning. Gave me
a
quote for the Jabriu 250 and it was over twice what I pay for my C182.
I
will try again with SLSA and see if that makes a difference.
Colin
I am not up to speed on LSA and E-LSA or experimental LSA. What is
SLSA?
Thanks, Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA Insurance |
Are you sure you have an ELSA Earl? I thought you had an Experimental
whose
flight characteristics are withing LSA limitations.
I thought a company could only deliver an ELSA kit if they already
produced
a SLSA.
Could be wrong. I've been wrong once before :-)
Colin K.
OK
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EAFerguson@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: E-LSA Insurance
If you are building a LSA Lightning like mine it's an E-LSA. Mine is
insured
by AIG, but I'm surprised that Falcon would not quote yours. Mine was
the
first Light Sport and only the 3rd Lightning to fly, and there was some
hesitation at AIG. My Broker went through Falcon somehow to convince
AIG.
Sorry I don't have any details on how that came about. By now we have
several Light Sport versions and no adverse history, so the insurers
should
be more comfortable.
Could Mark or Nick give us a LSA count?
Good luck getting that problem solved.
Earl Ferguson
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA Insurance |
Also, I don't believe a true ELSA has to meet the 51% rule. It can even
be
over 95%.
Colin K.
OK
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EAFerguson@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:15 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: E-LSA Insurance
If you are building a LSA Lightning like mine it's an E-LSA. Mine is
insured
by AIG, but I'm surprised that Falcon would not quote yours. Mine was
the
first Light Sport and only the 3rd Lightning to fly, and there was some
hesitation at AIG. My Broker went through Falcon somehow to convince
AIG.
Sorry I don't have any details on how that came about. By now we have
several Light Sport versions and no adverse history, so the insurers
should
be more comfortable.
Could Mark or Nick give us a LSA count?
Good luck getting that problem solved.
Earl Ferguson
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning insurance |
Wayne,
Falcon insures my Lightning registered as Experimental Amateur
Built; they required one hour dual before insuring but gave me both
liability and hull insurance in March 2007.
Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Lenox
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 9:47 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Thanks
I have tried Falcon insurance. They said no to the Lightning. Gave
me a quote for the Jabriu 250 and it was over twice what I pay for my
C182. I will try again with SLSA and see if that makes a difference.
Colin
I am not up to speed on LSA and E-LSA or experimental LSA. What is
SLSA?
Thanks, Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA Insurance |
Earl
Thanks, I will call them in the morning and try again. The agent did n
ot know the Lightning, I'll make him understand this time.
Wayne
-- EAFerguson@aol.com wrote:
If you are building a LSA Lightning like mine it's an E-LSA. Mine is ins
ured by AIG, but I'm surprised that Falcon would not quote yours. Mine w
as the first Light Sport and only the 3rd Lightning to fly, and there wa
s some hesitation at AIG. My Broker went through Falcon somehow to convi
nce AIG. Sorry I don't have any details on how that came about. By now w
e have several Light Sport versions and no adverse history, so the insur
ers should be more comfortable. Could Mark or Nick give us a LSA count?
Good luck getting that problem solved. Earl FergusonN17EF
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning insurance |
Thanks Linda
I have a lot to learn and just getting started researching LSA and Aircr
aft the can be flown with out a medical. Trying to do my home work befo
re I buy or build.
Wayne
-- "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias@verizon.net> wrote:
Wayne, Falcon insures my Lightning registered as Experimental Amateur
Built; they required one hour dual before insuring but gave me both lia
bility and hull insurance in March 2007.
Linda ----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Lenox To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, Dece
mber 27, 2007 9:47 PMSubject: Lightning-List: Lightning insurance
Thanks
I have tried Falcon insurance. They said no to the Lightning. Gave me
a quote for the Jabriu 250 and it was over twice what I pay for my C182.
I will try again with SLSA and see if that makes a difference.
Colin
I am not up to speed on LSA and E-LSA or experimental LSA. What is SLSA
?
Thanks, Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance for Lightning A/C |
Wayne, I also use the Falcon Agent in Texas located at the number listed
by Bod, my agents name is Harvest Jones. Was very easy and reasonable. I
did not have to meet any flight time in Lightnings. First time I used
them. Johnny
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From: Robert Ames
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:25 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Insurance for Lightning A/C
Wayne, contact Falcon Ins. 830-257-1000 they will insure
Lightning's and Esquals. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Wayne Lenox
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 7:12 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Insurance for Lightning A/C
New to this web site and have a question. Where do we get insurance
for the lightning E-LSA A/C? I am ready to move from my C-182 to a
Lightning, but have not found insurance. I have tried EAA and AOPA,
with no luck. Do you guys fly with out insurance?
Thanks, Wayne
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA Insurance |
Earl
I have seen a Lightning, but have not flown one yet. My wife and I hope
to sit in and fly one tomorrow in AZ. I am having a problem with my wi
fe's ideas of light aircraft. She want and high wing to keep the sun of
f and look down better. I need to get her in a Low wing A/C. Have you
found the Lightning with the Jabiru 3300 is a good match and with low ma
intenance cost? I am just tired of dealing with the FAA medical issues,
so my flying will be limited to LSA or Glider.
Thanks, Wayne
-- EAFerguson@aol.com wrote:
If you are building a LSA Lightning like mine it's an E-LSA. Mine is ins
ured by AIG, but I'm surprised that Falcon would not quote yours. Mine w
as the first Light Sport and only the 3rd Lightning to fly, and there wa
s some hesitation at AIG. My Broker went through Falcon somehow to convi
nce AIG. Sorry I don't have any details on how that came about. By now w
e have several Light Sport versions and no adverse history, so the insur
ers should be more comfortable. Could Mark or Nick give us a LSA count?
Good luck getting that problem solved. Earl FergusonN17EF
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| Subject: | Re: E-LSA Insurance |
Wayne,
Buz just posted a thread about the low maintenance he had on his plane.
It is an Esqual that tested many of the Lightning components and utilizes
the same engine. He has over 400 hours now on his airframe and was very s
atisfied. I have quiet a few hours in type and never really had a problem
out of the planes once they were rigged right and jetted properly. The Lig
htning is an exceptional and fun aircraft to fly as well as economical! It
is very responsive. I have flown one nearly all the way across the countr
y. Earl has set a world record in one and flown clear across the country a
nd back. Buz has something like enough miles across the ground to circle t
he Earth a few times.
As far as the wife goes: tell her this one will get her there faster for t
he same fuel burn and therefore is cheaper. Several folks have painted the
tops of the canopy similar to the diamonds to keep the sun off, and I gau
rantee the low wing to be more fun. If you really did decide to go high wi
ng though, check out that Jabiru 400. It's a longer build time, but you'll
be seeing mid 150mph at 5.5 gph and the looks of a sleeker composite cessn
a. It also has a large baggage area and two back seats. Now if you want t
o go sport pilot the Jabiru 250 would be a way to go and is an SLSA which c
an come factory built, which still flies well, but instead of the two back
seats you get extra baggage room. The wing is thicker but you get superior
takeoff roll.
So getting back to my original point; get the Lightning and if you got enou
gh money left over get me one too ;-) Seriously, it's a fun aircraft, but
it's also a sexy plane. Always got crowds at fly-ins. Always got crowds a
t the pump. I put maybe 10 gallons for a partial-fillup and go another 500
miles and still have a good reserve. Now if I just had one of my own, ins
tead of borrowing others!
P.S. Buz, never have met your friend from down here to show him pics and ge
t him to buy one. Think he's busy with some astronuts or something.
From: waynelenox@juno.comDate: Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:10:41 +0000To: lightning
-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: E-LSA Insurance
Earl
I have seen a Lightning, but have not flown one yet. My wife and I hope to
sit in and fly one tomorrow in AZ. I am having a problem with my wife's i
deas of light aircraft. She want and high wing to keep the sun off and loo
k down better. I need to get her in a Low wing A/C. Have you found the Li
ghtning with the Jabiru 3300 is a good match and with low maintenance cost?
I am just tired of dealing with the FAA medical issues, so my flying will
be limited to LSA or Glider.
Thanks, Wayne-- EAFerguson@aol.com wrote:
If you are building a LSA Lightning like mine it's an E-LSA. Mine is insure
d by AIG, but I'm surprised that Falcon would not quote yours. Mine was the
first Light Sport and only the 3rd Lightning to fly, and there was some he
sitation at AIG. My Broker went through Falcon somehow to convince AIG. Sor
ry I don't have any details on how that came about. By now we have several
Light Sport versions and no adverse history, so the insurers should be more
comfortable.
Could Mark or Nick give us a LSA count?
Good luck getting that problem solved.
Earl Ferguson
N17EF
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