---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/13/08: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:39 AM - Re: Started (Colin J. Kennedy) 2. 07:04 AM - Re: Started (Colin J. Kennedy) 3. 07:45 AM - Re: Started (Jim Langley) 4. 08:44 AM - Re: Slick panel (Charles Dewey) 5. 05:37 PM - Re: Slick panel (Jim Langley) 6. 06:00 PM - Re: Slick panel (Charles Dewey) 7. 06:25 PM - Re: Slick panel (Jim Langley) 8. 07:45 PM - Re: Started (N1BZRich@aol.com) 9. 08:05 PM - Re: Started (Brian Whittingham) 10. 08:28 PM - Re: Lightning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$ (Charles Dewey) 11. 08:44 PM - Re: MGL Avionics Odyssey in my Panel (Bruce & Colleen Keen) 12. 09:09 PM - Re: Re: Lightning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$ (Brian Whittingham) 13. 09:21 PM - Re: Re: Lightning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$ (Charles Dewey) 14. 09:38 PM - Re: Re: Lightning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$ (Brian Whittingham) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:30 AM PST US From: "Colin J. Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Started I hope you mean Cruising Jim, not cursing :-) Colin K. OK http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Started Keep at it Colin! I was cursing your KitLog site tonight and see that you updated it, great job! By the way, to all. There are currently two Lightnings being built that are keep their logs on www.mykitlog.com. Colin Kennedy http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken/ Jim Langley http://www.mykitlog.com/pequeajim/ This site gets a lot of visibility from builders around the world. I originally was keeping my log at www.jimslightning.com, but found KitLog to be so much better, so I created a link to the build log site. Colin is logging all of his build activity on KitLogs site as well. Jim! On 1/12/08, Colin J. Kennedy wrote: I have started the build. Working on section 1 - Fuselage Prep. today. The production of my kit was delayed a couple of weeks which then led into transportation delays due to the ice storms and the holidays. All this resulted in the airframe kit not being delivered until January 7th. However, now I am very happy that everything has arrived undamaged and there are just a few parts on back order, which are not needed immediately. At this time everything is as expected with the appropriate holes already cut in the rear fuselage bulkhead for the seatbelt and rudder cables. A packing list accompanied the final shipment, which was very helpful. A box of metal parts had no packing list, but Mark S. from Arion quickly supplied one via email and everything checked off I got my sliding canopy windows and am very pleased with them. I requested these rather than the hinged ones after I saw this type on Buz's airplane. I will post a photo after I have taken the protective coating off the canopy. One piece of info for future builders is not to expect to be able to use the shipping crates as shop stands. The packing is quite appropriate for the mode of transport used, but it is mostly bubble wrap and cardboard so you won't be making a fuselage stand or wing stands out of that! I am updating my build log on-line. Not much to read yet, but I hope eventually it will be of use to those who come after me. Best regards Colin K. OK http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:25 AM PST US From: "Colin J. Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Started Thanks for the encouragement Buz. I do believe what you suggest is possible for the homebuilder. I fact, I think John Eynon, who took delivery at the same time, might beat that schedule! However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a full time job, my ambition is to fly in spring 2009. Still pretty fantastic when compared to anything with similar speed and solidity! Colin K. OK http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:57 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Started Colin, Keep at it on a regular basis and we will see you at Oshkosh. Heck, make that Sun-N-Fun since the Lightning is a fast build kit. Blue Skies, Buz _____ Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:44 AM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Started (chuckle) Hopefully I'm a better pilot than a typist! On 1/13/08, Colin J. Kennedy wrote: > > Thanks for the encouragement Buz. > > I do believe what you suggest is possible for the homebuilder. I fact, I > think John Eynon, who took delivery at the same time, might beat that > schedule! > > However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a full time job, my ambition > is to fly in spring 2009. Still pretty fantastic when compared to anything > with similar speed and solidity! > > Colin K. > OK > http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *N1BZRich@aol.com > *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:57 PM > *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: Started > > Colin, > Keep at it on a regular basis and we will see you at Oshkosh. Heck, > make that Sun-N-Fun since the Lightning is a fast build kit. > Blue Skies, > Buz > > > ------------------------------ > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shapein the new year. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:36 AM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Slick panel Jim- Love the Odyssey. How much did that set you back. What are the advantages of that glass panel over the Dynon/Garmin in mine. Charles --- Jim Langley wrote: > (chuckle) > > Hopefully I'm a better pilot than a typist! > > > On 1/13/08, Colin J. Kennedy wrote: > > > > Thanks for the encouragement Buz. > > > > I do believe what you suggest is possible for the > homebuilder. I fact, I > > think John Eynon, who took delivery at the same > time, might beat that > > schedule! > > > > However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a full > time job, my ambition > > is to fly in spring 2009. Still pretty fantastic > when compared to anything > > with similar speed and solidity! > > > > Colin K. > > OK > > http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto: > > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On > Behalf Of *N1BZRich@aol.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:57 PM > > *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: Started > > > > Colin, > > Keep at it on a regular basis and we will see > you at Oshkosh. Heck, > > make that Sun-N-Fun since the Lightning is a fast > build kit. > > Blue Skies, > > Buz > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shapein > the new year. > > > > * > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:09 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Slick panel You can get a complete setup, EFIS, GPS, EGTs, CHTs, Oil Press, Oil Temp, Fuel Flow, two gyros for under $4900.00. Now this is for a panel that is 10", (like a g1000). Plus it does TONS of things that a Dynon does not, like built in GPS, user definable screens, auto tuning of your radios, glide slopes and navigation, etc, etc... I had it outside next to a Dynon with the bright upgrade and it was still more readable in sunlight. I like it because of the programmability. They are coming out with a slightly smaller version called the Voyager. I may use it for the other side. -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:44 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Slick panel Jim- Love the Odyssey. How much did that set you back. What are the advantages of that glass panel over the Dynon/Garmin in mine. Charles --- Jim Langley wrote: > (chuckle) > > Hopefully I'm a better pilot than a typist! > > > On 1/13/08, Colin J. Kennedy wrote: > > > > Thanks for the encouragement Buz. > > > > I do believe what you suggest is possible for the > homebuilder. I fact, I > > think John Eynon, who took delivery at the same > time, might beat that > > schedule! > > > > However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a full > time job, my ambition > > is to fly in spring 2009. Still pretty fantastic > when compared to anything > > with similar speed and solidity! > > > > Colin K. > > OK > > http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken > > > > -----Original Message----- > > *From:* owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto: > > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On > Behalf Of *N1BZRich@aol.com > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:57 PM > > *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com > > *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: Started > > > > Colin, > > Keep at it on a regular basis and we will see > you at Oshkosh. Heck, > > make that Sun-N-Fun since the Lightning is a fast > build kit. > > Blue Skies, > > Buz > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > shape in > the new year. > > > > * > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > > > * > > > > * > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:08 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Slick panel forgot t o ask- how much it weigh? --- Jim Langley wrote: > > > You can get a complete setup, EFIS, GPS, EGTs, CHTs, > Oil Press, Oil Temp, > Fuel Flow, two gyros for under $4900.00. Now this > is for a panel that is > 10", (like a g1000). Plus it does TONS of things > that a Dynon does not, > like built in GPS, user definable screens, auto > tuning of your radios, glide > slopes and navigation, etc, etc... > > I had it outside next to a Dynon with the bright > upgrade and it was still > more readable in sunlight. > > I like it because of the programmability. > > They are coming out with a slightly smaller version > called the Voyager. I > may use it for the other side. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of Charles > Dewey > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:44 AM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Slick panel > > > > Jim- Love the Odyssey. How much did that set you > back. > What are the advantages of that glass panel over > the > Dynon/Garmin in mine. Charles > --- Jim Langley wrote: > > > (chuckle) > > > > Hopefully I'm a better pilot than a typist! > > > > > > On 1/13/08, Colin J. Kennedy > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the encouragement Buz. > > > > > > I do believe what you suggest is possible for > the > > homebuilder. I fact, I > > > think John Eynon, who took delivery at the same > > time, might beat that > > > schedule! > > > > > > However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a > full > > time job, my ambition > > > is to fly in spring 2009. Still pretty fantastic > > when compared to anything > > > with similar speed and solidity! > > > > > > Colin K. > > > OK > > > http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > *From:* > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto: > > > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On > > Behalf Of *N1BZRich@aol.com > > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:57 PM > > > *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com > > > *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: Started > > > > > > Colin, > > > Keep at it on a regular basis and we will > see > > you at Oshkosh. Heck, > > > make that Sun-N-Fun since the Lightning is a > fast > > build kit. > > > Blue Skies, > > > Buz > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > > > shape > in > > the new year. > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic > s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > Forums! > > Admin. > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:06 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Slick panel Check this link out. http://www.mglavionics.co.za/Odyssey.html I believe the odyssey is around 4 lbs total... Jim! -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 8:58 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Slick panel forgot t o ask- how much it weigh? --- Jim Langley wrote: > > > You can get a complete setup, EFIS, GPS, EGTs, CHTs, > Oil Press, Oil Temp, > Fuel Flow, two gyros for under $4900.00. Now this > is for a panel that is > 10", (like a g1000). Plus it does TONS of things > that a Dynon does not, > like built in GPS, user definable screens, auto > tuning of your radios, glide > slopes and navigation, etc, etc... > > I had it outside next to a Dynon with the bright > upgrade and it was still > more readable in sunlight. > > I like it because of the programmability. > > They are coming out with a slightly smaller version > called the Voyager. I > may use it for the other side. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] > On Behalf Of Charles > Dewey > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 11:44 AM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Slick panel > > > > Jim- Love the Odyssey. How much did that set you > back. > What are the advantages of that glass panel over > the > Dynon/Garmin in mine. Charles > --- Jim Langley wrote: > > > (chuckle) > > > > Hopefully I'm a better pilot than a typist! > > > > > > On 1/13/08, Colin J. Kennedy > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks for the encouragement Buz. > > > > > > I do believe what you suggest is possible for > the > > homebuilder. I fact, I > > > think John Eynon, who took delivery at the same > > time, might beat that > > > schedule! > > > > > > However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a > full > > time job, my ambition > > > is to fly in spring 2009. Still pretty fantastic > > when compared to anything > > > with similar speed and solidity! > > > > > > Colin K. > > > OK > > > http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > *From:* > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > > [mailto: > > > owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] *On > > Behalf Of *N1BZRich@aol.com > > > *Sent:* Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:57 PM > > > *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com > > > *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: Started > > > > > > Colin, > > > Keep at it on a regular basis and we will > see > > you at Oshkosh. Heck, > > > make that Sun-N-Fun since the Lightning is a > fast > > build kit. > > > Blue Skies, > > > Buz > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in > > > shape > in > > the new year. > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic > s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > > > > > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > > > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > > > > > * > > > > > > * > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > > > > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List > > Forums! > > Admin. > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:45:30 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Started In a message dated 1/13/2008 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cjk129@cox.net writes: However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a full time job, my ambition is to fly in spring 2009. Great, Colin. I hope it becomes a family project so that they feel they are part of the process. Don't know how old your kids are, but even at a young age they can do some things like hand you tools. And this spring of 2009 is certainly a realistic goal. Buz **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:54 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Started I agree! I would've loved to have been able to do that kind of a thing wit h my dad when I was young. I remember several times working on tractors, c ombines, and cotton pickers back in the day with him when I was young and l oved that. I still would really love to build a plane. On the previous topic about the Odyssey and the Dynon. I know the Dynon th at we had in the prototype would get lost if turing one way and then whippi ng it the other way. It was like an electronic version of a gyro tumbling. I've also heard of that particular version getting lost in turbulence. N ot knocking Dynon as I've only had experience with that one model. I belie ve the reasoning was that it only had a dual axis solid state gyro where th e GR had a 3 axis. I have no idea about the Odyssey and what it's capable of. I know that the GR stuff had all of the same listed usability and prog ramibility as far as I can recall. One added benefit of using that equipme nt is also that the Arion folks know that system and can help troubleshoot or can get it replaced easily. Just a few little thoughts on panel layout. Brian W. From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 22:44:52 -0500Subject: Re: Lig htning-List: StartedTo: lightning-list@matronics.com In a message dated 1/13/2008 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, cjk129@co x.net writes: However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a full time job, my ambition is to fly in spring 2009. Great, Colin. I hope it becomes a family project so that they feel they ar e part of the process. Don't know how old your kids are, but even at a you ng age they can do some things like hand you tools. And this spring of 200 9 is certainly a realistic goal. Buz Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. _________________________________________________________________ Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:10 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$ Anyone out there ever flown from Fl. deep into the Caribbean? Trying to do some research and get prepared. Some threads say that be prepared to pay lots of bribes and $5 avgas , even if you're just stopping for fuel, plus big $ like 45$ fee for bringing the fuel truck to your plane. Dominican Republic is said to be bad; they will greet you with a machine gun and an extended hand. Does anyone remember the name of the collapsible fuel tank they had @ Sun n Fun 1 or 2 years ago. It greatly extended range; thought that it would be a good idea to avoid landing too much enroute to St. Thomas. If I remember correctly, it could be stored in the cabin and had a line that somehow went to your gas tank. Also, anyone know of a way to get more fuel creatively? I guess I'm too late to get the Xtra capacity tanks from arion now that my plane is done. The good thing about the Lightning is b/c it taked 93 super auto gas, it should be easy to get on any island. I've read horror stories of people landing on an island only to find out the avgas won't arrive for a week. Are airports that sell avgas allowing of people to haul in a 20 gallon jug of auto gas- or is that something not frowned upon at airports? Charles --- Brian Whittingham wrote: > > I agree! I would've loved to have been able to do > that kind of a thing with my dad when I was young. > I remember several times working on tractors, > combines, and cotton pickers back in the day with > him when I was young and loved that. I still would > really love to build a plane. > > On the previous topic about the Odyssey and the > Dynon. I know the Dynon that we had in the > prototype would get lost if turing one way and then > whipping it the other way. It was like an > electronic version of a gyro tumbling. I've also > heard of that particular version getting lost in > turbulence. Not knocking Dynon as I've only had > experience with that one model. I believe the > reasoning was that it only had a dual axis solid > state gyro where the GR had a 3 axis. I have no > idea about the Odyssey and what it's capable of. I > know that the GR stuff had all of the same listed > usability and programibility as far as I can recall. > One added benefit of using that equipment is also > that the Arion folks know that system and can help > troubleshoot or can get it replaced easily. Just a > few little thoughts on panel layout. Brian W. > > > From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 > 22:44:52 -0500Subject: Re: Lightning-List: > StartedTo: lightning-list@matronics.com > > > In a message dated 1/13/2008 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern > Standard Time, cjk129@cox.net writes: > However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a full > time job, my ambition is to fly in spring 2009. > > Great, Colin. I hope it becomes a family project so > that they feel they are part of the process. Don't > know how old your kids are, but even at a young age > they can do some things like hand you tools. And > this spring of 2009 is certainly a realistic goal. > Buz > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape > in the new year. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows > Live. > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008 Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:02 PM PST US From: "Bruce & Colleen Keen" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: MGL Avionics Odyssey in my Panel Hi Jim Sure takes up a lot of panel The switch fuse panel, where did you source it, as would be ideal for my project? Thanks BK ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:55 PM Subject: Lightning-List: MGL Avionics Odyssey in my Panel I just got my Odyssey and fit it to my panel today! I have left a blank area on the right in case I want to use the new Voyager, (slightly smaller version of the Odyssey), as a second MFD. Jim! www.jimslightning.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:32 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$ Charles, I've had a lot of friends flying around the Caribbean and Netherland Ant illes and never heard of anybody being greated with machine guns. I'm not saying that it has never happened, just not regularly. Costa Rica is a ver y poor place though. I work at a company that does International Trip Supp ort, mostly for private and charter aircraft. If you're really worried abo ut it contact one of these guys and do a fuel and or ground handling only r equest. I work for Baseops International, which is owned by World Fuel and owns Avcard. I talk to St. Thomas on a nearly daily basis. When I was in college we'd fly way out in the Bahama islands and never had problems to w here we had to bribe or anything. What we did run into is maintenance issu es. Blow out a tire on a Cessna on landing, gotta fly another one in to re place it. I know that it would not be legal in the US to bring in your own auto fuel unless the airport specifically authorized it in their official airport rules (has a different name but forget it now) Being international it might be just fine to bring auto fuel though. Use your best judgement but I'd about fill some jugs, fuel when nobody is looking and go for it! A s far as $5 for avgas on islands, where do you live at? It's right at that here in TX! When flying around Central America and the Caribbean islands you also have to watch out for permits. Maybe that's why some of the horro r stories are from. You have landing permits, overflight permits, customs, etc. Overflight of Cuba doesn't mean over the land or even off the coast like what it is in the US. Panama has a wide spread ADIZ which extends man y times the size of the entire country. My company can arrange all of this , plus contract fuel if you're interested. See: http://www.wfscorp.com/wfs corp/services/aviation_fp.html and see here: http://www.baseops.com/ You c an do all your flight planning and set up your own stuff, but run the risk of violating airspaces and such. We can track you when you're in the air a nd arrange services to accomodate accordingly. With our huge databases and personal contacts it is quicker and easier than if you were to do it. One of the guys that I work with has some friends that are run a ground handli ng supervisory company in that part of the world and makes it easier to set up and arrange than an individual. We also keep monthly Cuba overflight p ermissions on file for those that can't wait. Just a thought, do your home work, lock your plane, and fly safe. Brian W. > Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 20 :27:40 -0800> From: cdewey6969@yahoo.com> Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Ligh tning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$> To: lightning-lis wey6969@yahoo.com>> > Anyone out there ever flown from Fl. deep into the> C aribbean? Trying to do some research and get> prepared. Some threads say th at be prepared to pay> lots of bribes and $5 avgas , even if you're just> s topping for fuel, plus big $ like 45$ fee for> bringing the fuel truck to y our plane. Dominican> Republic is said to be bad; they will greet you with a> machine gun and an extended hand. Does anyone remember> the name of the collapsible fuel tank they had @ Sun n> Fun 1 or 2 years ago. It greatly ex tended range;> thought that it would be a good idea to avoid landing> too m uch enroute to St. Thomas. If I remember> correctly, it could be stored in the cabin and had a> line that somehow went to your gas tank. Also, anyone> know of a way to get more fuel creatively? I guess I'm> too late to get th e Xtra capacity tanks from arion now> that my plane is done. The good thing about the> Lightning is b/c it taked 93 super auto gas, it should> be easy to get on any island. I've read horror stories> of people landing on an is land only to find out the> avgas won't arrive for a week. Are airports that > sell avgas allowing of people to haul in a 20 gallon> jug of auto gas- or is that something not frowned upon> at airports? Charles> > > > > --- Bria n Whittingham wrote:> > > > > I agree! I would've lov ed to have been able to do> > that kind of a thing with my dad when I was y oung. > > I remember several times working on tractors,> > combines, and co tton pickers back in the day with> > him when I was young and loved that. I still would> > really love to build a plane. > > > > On the previous topic about the Odyssey and the> > Dynon. I know the Dynon that we had in the> > prototype would get lost if turing one way and then> > whipping it the oth er way. It was like an> > electronic version of a gyro tumbling. I've also> > heard of that particular version getting lost in> > turbulence. Not knoc king Dynon as I've only had> > experience with that one model. I believe th e> > reasoning was that it only had a dual axis solid> > state gyro where t he GR had a 3 axis. I have no> > idea about the Odyssey and what it's capab le of. I> > know that the GR stuff had all of the same listed> > usability and programibility as far as I can recall.> > One added benefit of using th at equipment is also> > that the Arion folks know that system and can help> > troubleshoot or can get it replaced easily. Just a> > few little thought s on panel layout. Brian W.> > > > > > From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2008> > 22:44:52 -0500Subject: Re: Lightning-List:> > StartedTo: lightn ing-list@matronics.com> > > > > > In a message dated 1/13/2008 10:05:27 A.M . Eastern> > Standard Time, cjk129@cox.net writes:> > However, with a wife, three kids, a dog and a full> > time job, my ambition is to fly in spring 2009. > > > > Great, Colin. I hope it becomes a family project so> > that t hey feel they are part of the process. Don't> > know how old your kids are, but even at a young age> > they can do some things like hand you tools. An d> > this spring of 2009 is certainly a realistic goal.> > Buz> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start the year off right . Easy ways to stay in shape> > in the new year. > > > > > > > >> _________ ________________________________________________________> > Get the power o f Windows + Web with the new Windows> > Live.> >> http://www.windowslive.co m?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008> > > > Looking for last minu ==========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Make distant family not so distant with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TA GLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:43 PM PST US From: Charles Dewey Subject: RE: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$ Brian, Thanks for hte tip; I'll file tghis email away until I need it. Charles --- Brian Whittingham wrote: > > Charles, > I've had a lot of friends flying around the > Caribbean and Netherland Antilles and never heard of > anybody being greated with machine guns. I'm not > saying that it has never happened, just not > regularly. Costa Rica is a very poor place though. > I work at a company that does International Trip > Support, mostly for private and charter aircraft. > If you're really worried about it contact one of > these guys and do a fuel and or ground handling only > request. I work for Baseops International, which is > owned by World Fuel and owns Avcard. I talk to St. > Thomas on a nearly daily basis. When I was in > college we'd fly way out in the Bahama islands and > never had problems to where we had to bribe or > anything. What we did run into is maintenance > issues. Blow out a tire on a Cessna on landing, > gotta fly another one in to replace it. I know that > it would not be legal in the US to bring in your own > auto fuel unless the airport specifically authorized > it in their official airport rules (has a different > name but forget it now) Being international it > might be just fine to bring auto fuel though. Use > your best judgement but I'd about fill some jugs, > fuel when nobody is looking and go for it! As far > as $5 for avgas on islands, where do you live at? > It's right at that here in TX! When flying around > Central America and the Caribbean islands you also > have to watch out for permits. Maybe that's why > some of the horror stories are from. You have > landing permits, overflight permits, customs, etc. > Overflight of Cuba doesn't mean over the land or > even off the coast like what it is in the US. > Panama has a wide spread ADIZ which extends many > times the size of the entire country. My company > can arrange all of this, plus contract fuel if > you're interested. See: > http://www.wfscorp.com/wfscorp/services/aviation_fp.html > and see here: http://www.baseops.com/ You can do > all your flight planning and set up your own stuff, > but run the risk of violating airspaces and such. > We can track you when you're in the air and arrange > services to accomodate accordingly. With our huge > databases and personal contacts it is quicker and > easier than if you were to do it. One of the guys > that I work with has some friends that are run a > ground handling supervisory company in that part of > the world and makes it easier to set up and arrange > than an individual. We also keep monthly Cuba > overflight permissions on file for those that can't > wait. Just a thought, do your homework, lock your > plane, and fly safe. Brian W. > Date: Sun, 13 Jan > 2008 20:27:40 -0800> From: cdewey6969@yahoo.com> > Subject: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning gas tanks/// > extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$> To: > lightning-list@matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List > message posted by: Charles Dewey > > > Anyone out there ever > flown from Fl. deep into the> Caribbean? Trying to > do some research and get> prepared. Some threads say > that be prepared to pay> lots of bribes and $5 avgas > , even if you're just> stopping for fuel, plus big $ > like 45$ fee for> bringing the fuel truck to your > plane. Dominican> Republic is said to be bad; they > will greet you with a> machine gun and an extended > hand. Does anyone remember> the name of the > collapsible fuel tank they had @ Sun n> Fun 1 or 2 > years ago. It greatly extended range;> thought that > it would be a good idea to avoid landing> too much > enroute to St. Thomas. If I remember> correctly, it > could be stored in the cabin and had a> line that > somehow went to your gas tank. Also, anyone> know of > a way to get more fuel creatively? I guess I'm> too > late to get the Xtra capacity tanks from arion now> > that my plane is done. The good thing about the> > Lightning is b/c it taked 93 super auto gas, it > should> be easy to get on any island. I've read > horror stories> of people landing on an island only > to find out the> avgas won't arrive for a week. Are > airports that> sell avgas allowing of people to haul > in a 20 gallon> jug of auto gas- or is that > something not frowned upon> at airports? Charles> > > > > > --- Brian Whittingham > wrote:> > > > > I agree! I would've loved to have > been able to do> > that kind of a thing with my dad > when I was young. > > I remember several times > working on tractors,> > combines, and cotton pickers > back in the day with> > him when I was young and > loved that. I still would> > really love to build a > plane. > > > > On the previous topic about the > Odyssey and the> > Dynon. I know the Dynon that we > had in the> > prototype would get lost if turing one > way and then> > whipping it the other way. It was > like an> > electronic version of a gyro tumbling. > I've also> > heard of that particular version > getting lost in> > turbulence. Not knocking Dynon as > I've only had> > experience with that one model. I > believe the> > reasoning was that it only had a dual > axis solid> > state gyro where the GR had a 3 axis. > I have no> > idea about the Odyssey and what it's > capable of. I> > know that the GR stuff had all of > the same listed> > usability and programibility as > far as I can recall.> > One added benefit of using > that equipment is also> > that the Arion folks know > that system and can help> > troubleshoot or can get > it replaced easily. Just a> > few little thoughts on > panel layout. Brian W.> > > > > > From: > N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2008> > 22:44:52 > -0500Subject: Re: Lightning-List:> > StartedTo: > lightning-list@matronics.com> > > > > > In a message > dated 1/13/2008 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern> > Standard > Time, cjk129@cox.net writes:> > However, with a > wife, three kids, a dog and a full> > time job, my > ambition is to fly in spring 2009. > > > > Great, > Colin. I hope it becomes a family project so> > that > they feel they are part of the process. Don't> > > know how old your kids are, but even at a young age> > > they can do some things like hand you tools. And> > > this spring of 2009 is certainly a realistic > goal.> > Buz> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start the year off right. > Easy ways to stay in shape> > in the new year. > > > > > > > > >> > _________________________________________________________________> > > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new > Windows> > Live.> >> > http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008> > > > > Looking for last minu==========> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Make distant family not so distant with Windows > Vista + Windows Live. > http://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008 Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:59 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$ Charles, Not a problem. It might be worth at least arranging fuel as we guarant ee that it'll be there and can even tell you a rate before hand. Also if w e have your schedule and you need or want to add services other than fuel t hen we'd be on the same page. Flight planning, other than permits and cust oms is pretty easy, but weather can be kind of tricky out there. We've got a lot of experienced people and are a 24/7 365 day company. One thing tha t we did the other day was arrange for a group of 150 passengers to be tran sported from Raleigh to Charleston after Spirit Airlines had to divert due to weather. We arranged for ground transport within an hour for that many people at 2am in the morning. We found a bus company that had an after hou rs number and got a couple of buses and the guy called all his friends to b ring personal SUV's. That's just an example of how having a team of people that know how to think outside the box. It really does benefit when trave ling international and outside the familiar comfort zone. Brian W.> Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2008 21:21:29 -0800> From: cdewey6969@yahoo.com> Subject: RE: L ightning-List: RE: Lightning gas tanks/// extending range/// Caribbean Fuel $$$> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List message posted by: Charles Dewey > > Brian, Thanks for hte tip; I'l l file tghis email away> until I need it. Charles> --- Brian Whittingham wrote:> > > > > Charles,> > I've had a lot of friends f lying around the> > Caribbean and Netherland Antilles and never heard of> > anybody being greated with machine guns. I'm not> > saying that it has nev er happened, just not> > regularly. Costa Rica is a very poor place though. > > I work at a company that does International Trip> > Support, mostly fo r private and charter aircraft. > > If you're really worried about it conta ct one of> > these guys and do a fuel and or ground handling only> > reques t. I work for Baseops International, which is> > owned by World Fuel and ow ns Avcard. I talk to St.> > Thomas on a nearly daily basis. When I was in> > college we'd fly way out in the Bahama islands and> > never had problems to where we had to bribe or> > anything. What we did run into is maintenanc e> > issues. Blow out a tire on a Cessna on landing,> > gotta fly another o ne in to replace it. I know that> > it would not be legal in the US to brin g in your own> > auto fuel unless the airport specifically authorized> > it in their official airport rules (has a different> > name but forget it now ) Being international it> > might be just fine to bring auto fuel though. U se> > your best judgement but I'd about fill some jugs,> > fuel when nobody is looking and go for it! As far> > as $5 for avgas on islands, where do y ou live at? > > It's right at that here in TX! When flying around> > Centra l America and the Caribbean islands you also> > have to watch out for permi ts. Maybe that's why> > some of the horror stories are from. You have> > la nding permits, overflight permits, customs, etc. > > Overflight of Cuba doe sn't mean over the land or> > even off the coast like what it is in the US. > > Panama has a wide spread ADIZ which extends many> > times the size of the entire country. My company> > can arrange all of this, plus contract fu el if> > you're interested. See:> >> http://www.wfscorp.com/wfscorp/service s/aviation_fp.html> > and see here: http://www.baseops.com/ You can do> > a ll your flight planning and set up your own stuff,> > but run the risk of v iolating airspaces and such. > > We can track you when you're in the air an d arrange> > services to accomodate accordingly. With our huge> > databases and personal contacts it is quicker and> > easier than if you were to do i t. One of the guys> > that I work with has some friends that are run a> > g round handling supervisory company in that part of> > the world and makes i t easier to set up and arrange> > than an individual. We also keep monthly Cuba> > overflight permissions on file for those that can't> > wait. Just a thought, do your homework, lock your> > plane, and fly safe. Brian W. > Da te: Sun, 13 Jan> > 2008 20:27:40 -0800> From: cdewey6969@yahoo.com>> > Subj ect: Lightning-List: RE: Lightning gas tanks///> > extending range/// Carib bean Fuel $$$> To:> > lightning-list@matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List> > message posted by: Charles Dewey> > > > Anyone out t here ever> > flown from Fl. deep into the> Caribbean? Trying to> > do some research and get> prepared. Some threads say> > that be prepared to pay> lo ts of bribes and $5 avgas> > , even if you're just> stopping for fuel, plus big $> > like 45$ fee for> bringing the fuel truck to your> > plane. Domin ican> Republic is said to be bad; they> > will greet you with a> machine gu n and an extended> > hand. Does anyone remember> the name of the> > collaps ible fuel tank they had @ Sun n> Fun 1 or 2> > years ago. It greatly extend ed range;> thought that> > it would be a good idea to avoid landing> too mu ch> > enroute to St. Thomas. If I remember> correctly, it> > could be store d in the cabin and had a> line that> > somehow went to your gas tank. Also, anyone> know of> > a way to get more fuel creatively? I guess I'm> too> > late to get the Xtra capacity tanks from arion now>> > that my plane is don e. The good thing about the>> > Lightning is b/c it taked 93 super auto gas , it> > should> be easy to get on any island. I've read> > horror stories> of people landing on an island only> > to find out the> avgas won't arrive for a week. Are> > airports that> sell avgas allowing of people to haul> > in a 20 gallon> jug of auto gas- or is that> > something not frowned upon> at airports? Charles> >> > > > > --- Brian Whittingham > > wrote:> > > > > I agree! I would've loved to have> > been able to do> > that kind of a thing with my dad> > when I was young. > > I remember seve ral times> > working on tractors,> > combines, and cotton pickers> > back i n the day with> > him when I was young and> > loved that. I still would> > really love to build a> > plane. > > > > On the previous topic about the> > Odyssey and the> > Dynon. I know the Dynon that we> > had in the> > protot ype would get lost if turing one> > way and then> > whipping it the other w ay. It was> > like an> > electronic version of a gyro tumbling.> > I've als o> > heard of that particular version> > getting lost in> > turbulence. Not knocking Dynon as> > I've only had> > experience with that one model. I> > believe the> > reasoning was that it only had a dual> > axis solid> > stat e gyro where the GR had a 3 axis.> > I have no> > idea about the Odyssey an d what it's> > capable of. I> > know that the GR stuff had all of> > the sa me listed> > usability and programibility as> > far as I can recall.> > One added benefit of using> > that equipment is also> > that the Arion folks k now> > that system and can help> > troubleshoot or can get> > it replaced e asily. Just a> > few little thoughts on> > panel layout. Brian W.> > > > > > From:> > N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Sun, 13 Jan 2008> > 22:44:52> > -0500Subje ct: Re: Lightning-List:> > StartedTo:> > lightning-list@matronics.com> > > > > > In a message> > dated 1/13/2008 10:05:27 A.M. Eastern> > Standard> > Time, cjk129@cox.net writes:> > However, with a> > wife, three kids, a dog and a full> > time job, my> > ambition is to fly in spring 2009. > > > > Gr eat,> > Colin. I hope it becomes a family project so> > that> > they feel t hey are part of the process. Don't> >> > know how old your kids are, but ev en at a young age>> > > they can do some things like hand you tools. And>> > > this spring of 2009 is certainly a realistic> > goal.> > Buz> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start the year off right.> > Easy ways to stay in shape> > in the new year. > > >> > > > > > > >> >> _________________________________________________________________>> > > Get the power of Windows + Web with the new> > Windows> > Live.> >>> >> http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_012008>> > > > > Looking for last minu==========> > > > >> ______ ___________________________________________________________> > Make distant family not so distant with Windows> > Vista=AE + Windows Live=99.> >> http ://www.microsoft.com/windows/digitallife/keepintouch.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_ CPC_VideoChat_distantfamily_012008> > > > Be a better friend, newshound, an d > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. 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