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4. 09:42 AM - SC / Lightning comparison plus other comments (N1BZRich@aol.com)
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| Subject: | SC / Lightning comparison |
Agreed!
Colin K.
OK
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Dewey
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:44 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: SC / Lightning comparison
--> <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
I don't know why anyone would buy a Sport Cruiser over
an Arion Lightning. They: 1.) cost a lot more 2.) are
not as clean and aerodynamic as the Lightning 3.) are
pitifully slow compared to the Lightning 4.) burn more
fuel 5.) SC is just plain ugly compared to the
Lightning 6.) are not anywhere near as agile and fun
to fly as the Lightning- I have not flown the SC (have
flown the Lightning) but can tell by looking at the
design.
THE ONLY BENEFIT of the SC is that you can buy it
factory made and don't have to deal with any build
process. While it may provide instant gratification,
something really good and a whole lot better is worth
waiting a minute for (a short minute because of the
insanely quick build time of the Lightning).
More former fighter pilots own and fly the Lightning
than the SC. The SC is owned more by newbie and
non-thrill seeking inexperienced pilots, the kind of
people who drive the interstate in the right lane with
their blinker on for an hour. The thing is that the
Lightning is actually just as safe if not a safer
plane than the SC. There really is no comparison
between the two. The Lightning is in a class by
itself.
Hope this thread can make its way to the SC groups
out there so they know what's up.
--- "Colin J. Kennedy" <cjk129@cox.net> wrote:
> Thought you all might enjoy this report from Sebring
> posted by "Gort" on a
> Sportcruiser Yahoo list:
>
>
> "Once you see a White Lightning in person...and
> 166JG awaits here in
> all its glory...if you are objective you will know
> that the SC is no
> longer the best looking LSA on the market. JG is so
> wide and sleek
> with a tapered Lancair-like tail it screams speed
> and indeed will
> likely produce 150 knots with only a prop change in
> nonLSA livery.
> The baggage area appears twice as large and three
> times as usable as
> SC (OK - no wing lockers). The SC appearance really
> suffers from the
> necessity of having a high cowl to accomodate the
> gearbox. Not as
> much as the brand new Gobosh (708GB, 8548U,
> czech/polish same price
> for composite or metal low wing with big swept up
> tips) or Tecnam but
> that low flat 3300 is responsible for half the
> "looks" triumph for
> the Lightning. Just comparing the nosewheel fairing
> design,
> aerodynamics, and apparent strength between SC and
> this gave me a sad
> sick feeling. I guess SC is still the better value
> but this has
> suddenly become a very tough call."
>
>
> Colin K.
> OK
> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
>
>
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| Subject: | SC / Lightning comparison |
Yes, but we need to be "courteous" in our comparisons. While I agree with
many of the things that Charles says, (see my comparison at
http://www.jimslightning.com/html/why_lightning_.html ) which compares the
Sonex, Lightning, SportCruiser and Dynamic WT-9); we also need to be
understanding of the fact that we, as Lightning owners are very passionate
about our airplane as are the owners of the others.
The aircraft that you are flying and are happy with is the best selection
you can have. Each of us have a different mission, and that's why there are
different aircraft to select from.
Jim!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: SC / Lightning comparison
Agreed!
Colin K.
OK
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Dewey
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:44 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: SC / Lightning comparison
--> <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
I don't know why anyone would buy a Sport Cruiser over
an Arion Lightning. They: 1.) cost a lot more 2.) are
not as clean and aerodynamic as the Lightning 3.) are
pitifully slow compared to the Lightning 4.) burn more
fuel 5.) SC is just plain ugly compared to the
Lightning 6.) are not anywhere near as agile and fun
to fly as the Lightning- I have not flown the SC (have
flown the Lightning) but can tell by looking at the
design.
THE ONLY BENEFIT of the SC is that you can buy it
factory made and don't have to deal with any build
process. While it may provide instant gratification,
something really good and a whole lot better is worth
waiting a minute for (a short minute because of the
insanely quick build time of the Lightning).
More former fighter pilots own and fly the Lightning
than the SC. The SC is owned more by newbie and
non-thrill seeking inexperienced pilots, the kind of
people who drive the interstate in the right lane with
their blinker on for an hour. The thing is that the
Lightning is actually just as safe if not a safer
plane than the SC. There really is no comparison
between the two. The Lightning is in a class by
itself.
Hope this thread can make its way to the SC groups
out there so they know what's up.
--- "Colin J. Kennedy" <cjk129@cox.net> wrote:
> Thought you all might enjoy this report from Sebring
> posted by "Gort" on a
> Sportcruiser Yahoo list:
>
>
> "Once you see a White Lightning in person...and
> 166JG awaits here in
> all its glory...if you are objective you will know
> that the SC is no
> longer the best looking LSA on the market. JG is so
> wide and sleek
> with a tapered Lancair-like tail it screams speed
> and indeed will
> likely produce 150 knots with only a prop change in
> nonLSA livery.
> The baggage area appears twice as large and three
> times as usable as
> SC (OK - no wing lockers). The SC appearance really
> suffers from the
> necessity of having a high cowl to accomodate the
> gearbox. Not as
> much as the brand new Gobosh (708GB, 8548U,
> czech/polish same price
> for composite or metal low wing with big swept up
> tips) or Tecnam but
> that low flat 3300 is responsible for half the
> "looks" triumph for
> the Lightning. Just comparing the nosewheel fairing
> design,
> aerodynamics, and apparent strength between SC and
> this gave me a sad
> sick feeling. I guess SC is still the better value
> but this has
> suddenly become a very tough call."
>
>
> Colin K.
> OK
> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
>
>
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| Subject: | SC / Lightning comparison |
Well said Jim. It's horses for courses.
Colin
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:20 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: SC / Lightning comparison
--> <pequeajim@gmail.com>
Yes, but we need to be "courteous" in our comparisons. While I agree with
many of the things that Charles says, (see my comparison at
http://www.jimslightning.com/html/why_lightning_.html ) which compares the
Sonex, Lightning, SportCruiser and Dynamic WT-9); we also need to be
understanding of the fact that we, as Lightning owners are very passionate
about our airplane as are the owners of the others.
The aircraft that you are flying and are happy with is the best selection
you can have. Each of us have a different mission, and that's why there are
different aircraft to select from.
Jim!
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J.
Kennedy
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: SC / Lightning comparison
--> <cjk129@cox.net>
Agreed!
Colin K.
OK
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles
Dewey
Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 11:44 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: SC / Lightning comparison
--> <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
I don't know why anyone would buy a Sport Cruiser over
an Arion Lightning. They: 1.) cost a lot more 2.) are
not as clean and aerodynamic as the Lightning 3.) are
pitifully slow compared to the Lightning 4.) burn more
fuel 5.) SC is just plain ugly compared to the
Lightning 6.) are not anywhere near as agile and fun
to fly as the Lightning- I have not flown the SC (have
flown the Lightning) but can tell by looking at the
design.
THE ONLY BENEFIT of the SC is that you can buy it
factory made and don't have to deal with any build
process. While it may provide instant gratification,
something really good and a whole lot better is worth
waiting a minute for (a short minute because of the
insanely quick build time of the Lightning).
More former fighter pilots own and fly the Lightning
than the SC. The SC is owned more by newbie and
non-thrill seeking inexperienced pilots, the kind of
people who drive the interstate in the right lane with
their blinker on for an hour. The thing is that the
Lightning is actually just as safe if not a safer
plane than the SC. There really is no comparison
between the two. The Lightning is in a class by
itself.
Hope this thread can make its way to the SC groups
out there so they know what's up.
--- "Colin J. Kennedy" <cjk129@cox.net> wrote:
> Thought you all might enjoy this report from Sebring
> posted by "Gort" on a
> Sportcruiser Yahoo list:
>
>
> "Once you see a White Lightning in person...and
> 166JG awaits here in
> all its glory...if you are objective you will know
> that the SC is no
> longer the best looking LSA on the market. JG is so
> wide and sleek
> with a tapered Lancair-like tail it screams speed
> and indeed will
> likely produce 150 knots with only a prop change in
> nonLSA livery.
> The baggage area appears twice as large and three
> times as usable as
> SC (OK - no wing lockers). The SC appearance really
> suffers from the
> necessity of having a high cowl to accomodate the
> gearbox. Not as
> much as the brand new Gobosh (708GB, 8548U,
> czech/polish same price
> for composite or metal low wing with big swept up
> tips) or Tecnam but
> that low flat 3300 is responsible for half the
> "looks" triumph for
> the Lightning. Just comparing the nosewheel fairing
> design,
> aerodynamics, and apparent strength between SC and
> this gave me a sad
> sick feeling. I guess SC is still the better value
> but this has
> suddenly become a very tough call."
>
>
> Colin K.
> OK
> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
>
>
Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.
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| Subject: | SC / Lightning comparison plus other comments |
Hello all,
I also agree with the list of benefits that Charles provided making the
Lightning a much better choice over the Sport Cruiser. However, I would add
one more very important reason in my mind to pick the Lightning that was not
on his list - and that is the Jabiru engine. It means a lot to me that the
Jabiru 3300 was designed from day one to be a real airplane engine. The air
cooled, direct drive engine means a much simpler design. And when you look at
cost to acquire, cost to operate, cost to maintain, time between over-hall
and over-hall cost, there really is no comparison that does not favor the
Jabiru.
And.............................................................................
it sounds like a real airplane engine.
About two or three weeks ago I landed by Wakefield, VA (AKQ is where
Linda and Joe keep their airplanes) to get some of the self serve low cost fuel.
There was a brand new Sport Cruiser there with the new owner and his
instructor. It was a nice looking airplane, well finished and a good looking
paint
job and interior. The new owner was a pilot but needed some dual for his
insurance company. They were from North Carolina and were just flying around
building time. We talked some about his new Sport Cruiser and of course they
were amazed at the looks of N31BZ, but did not know what it was and had
never heard of the Lightning. I gave them a quick background on the Esqual and
how the Lightning came to be and they were amazed at the cost, time to build
and of course performance it provides. You could kind of see the envy in
their eyes and by the questions they asked. I filled up and took off while they
were sitting in their airplane - I think they wanted to see me take off.
Then they took off and headed south at around 2500 feet. Well, of course I
could not resist the temptation to show them the performance that the
Esqual/Lightning/Jabiru combination provides. After a quick radio call to them,
I
quickly joined up in a loose route position on their right wing and commented
that I wish I had a camera. They said the same thing an again mentioning what
a
beautiful airplane I had. But what really surprised me was their cruise
speed. They were in level cruise flight with me flying formation and my
indicated airspeed at 2500 feet was only 99 mph and of course I had the throttle
way
back. I thought the Sport Cruiser would have had a much higher cruise.
After a few seconds I pushed my throttle full forward and quickly pulled way
ahead, started a right 360 and came by them this time at 170 indicated. Their
radio call to me way a simple "Wow, that thing is really fast". We quickly
said our farewells and headed our separate ways. Of course I can just imagine
their conversation as they flew back to NC.
Our local EAA chapter has built a Zodiac 601XL which I think the Sport
Cruises is loosely based on. I have flown this 601 quite a bit and know what
it's performance is, and believe me, the 3300 Jabiru engine that we put in it
gives much better performance in terms of cruise speed. I don't know if a
Jabiru engine is an option for the Sport Cruiser, but I feel sure it would
give it better performance than the current Rotax that is used.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | SC / Lightning comparison plus other comments |
Thanks Buz for a comparison that hits one of the major points I had with the
Sport Cruiser when I was evaluating an aircraft to buy; speed and the
engine. They do, however offer, (in vapor), a 3300 option, but are not
delivering this to anyone as of yet. The excuse is that they are so busy
filling orders with the Rotax, that they don't have time to fit and test the
3300. While there may be some truth to this, it could also have something
to do with the fact that they need to put the 3300 in the Mermaid to get it
off the water in a timely manner; I don't know.
I put a fair amount of time in the SC when I was down in Indiantown, and it
does fly nicely, is very well made, and is WIDE! I had it cruising at
around 105 knots, (120mph) at 75%. While this is not slow, it is not fast
either, and the SC does not cruise as fast as they say it does. The other
thing is that it is a heavier aircraft than what they say it is. This
translates into a smaller useful load.
All that said, while not my first choice, it is still a nice aircraft, but
not a Lightning.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@AOL.COM
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 12:18 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: SC / Lightning comparison plus other comments
Hello all,
I also agree with the list of benefits that Charles provided making the
Lightning a much better choice over the Sport Cruiser. However, I would add
one more very important reason in my mind to pick the Lightning that was not
on his list - and that is the Jabiru engine. It means a lot to me that the
Jabiru 3300 was designed from day one to be a real airplane engine. The air
cooled, direct drive engine means a much simpler design. And when you look
at cost to acquire, cost to operate, cost to maintain, time between
over-hall and over-hall cost, there really is no comparison that does not
favor the Jabiru.
And.........................................................................
.... it sounds like a real airplane engine.
About two or three weeks ago I landed by Wakefield, VA (AKQ is where
Linda and Joe keep their airplanes) to get some of the self serve low cost
fuel. There was a brand new Sport Cruiser there with the new owner and his
instructor. It was a nice looking airplane, well finished and a good
looking paint job and interior. The new owner was a pilot but needed some
dual for his insurance company. They were from North Carolina and were just
flying around building time. We talked some about his new Sport Cruiser
and of course they were amazed at the looks of N31BZ, but did not know what
it was and had never heard of the Lightning. I gave them a quick background
on the Esqual and how the Lightning came to be and they were amazed at the
cost, time to build and of course performance it provides. You could kind
of see the envy in their eyes and by the questions they asked. I filled up
and took off while they were sitting in their airplane - I think they wanted
to see me take off. Then they took off and headed south at around 2500
feet. Well, of course I could not resist the temptation to show them the
performance that the Esqual/Lightning/Jabiru combination provides. After a
quick radio call to them, I quickly joined up in a loose route position on
their right wing and commented that I wish I had a camera. They said the
same thing an again mentioning what a beautiful airplane I had. But what
really surprised me was their cruise speed. They were in level cruise
flight with me flying formation and my indicated airspeed at 2500 feet was
only 99 mph and of course I had the throttle way back. I thought the Sport
Cruiser would have had a much higher cruise. After a few seconds I pushed
my throttle full forward and quickly pulled way ahead, started a right 360
and came by them this time at 170 indicated. Their radio call to me way a
simple "Wow, that thing is really fast". We quickly said our farewells and
headed our separate ways. Of course I can just imagine their conversation
as they flew back to NC.
Our local EAA chapter has built a Zodiac 601XL which I think the Sport
Cruises is loosely based on. I have flown this 601 quite a bit and know
what it's performance is, and believe me, the 3300 Jabiru engine that we put
in it gives much better performance in terms of cruise speed. I don't know
if a Jabiru engine is an option for the Sport Cruiser, but I feel sure it
would give it better performance than the current Rotax that is used.
Blue Skies,
Buz
_____
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| Subject: | Re: SC / Lightning comparison plus other comments |
Hi Jim,
Your experience with the Sport Cruiser's actual cruise speed of 120 mph
is much closer to what we are seeing in the 601XL that our chapter built. It
easily cruises about 130 mph using around 6 gph with the 3300 Jabiru turning
around 2850 rpm. However, we did some "extra" clean up work during the
build process, so it is probably a little quicker than the average 601XL. For
example we did not follow the plans when mounting the wheel pants, instead we
worked out mounting brackets that allowed the pants to cover the brakes and
center the pants exactly over the brake/wheel/tire. Also spent some extra
time on the nose wheel pant and cleaning up the nose strut. Other drag reducing
efforts had to do with the wing to fuselage attachment area under the wing.
The plans showed nothing there to cover the gap. I think all of these
efforts had an effect on this particular aircraft.
The Sport Cruiser that I flew with was probably near gross with the two
aboard and full fuel. It may do better if it is at a lighter weight. I did
not ask what their indicated airspeed was, but I do know that 31BZ dual
airspeeds are pretty darn close to actual. But for someone that wants a ready
made aluminum airplane, that is well built and comfortable for a big guy, it is
probably a good choice, especially when they get the Jabiru engine. Also,
they always have some good looking young ladies showing them at Oshkosh and
Sun-N-Fun. Maybe that is why I liked the looks of it when at those shows.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | SC / Lightning comparison plus other comments |
Many of my same thoughts until I actually sat in the Lightning with my 6'-3"
brother-in-law and fit comfortably.
>From there, it was all over, wrote the check and I was on my way.
Not much prettier out there.
_____
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: SC / Lightning comparison plus other comments
Hi Jim,
Your experience with the Sport Cruiser's actual cruise speed of 120 mph
is much closer to what we are seeing in the 601XL that our chapter built.
It easily cruises about 130 mph using around 6 gph with the 3300 Jabiru
turning around 2850 rpm. However, we did some "extra" clean up work during
the build process, so it is probably a little quicker than the average
601XL. For example we did not follow the plans when mounting the wheel
pants, instead we worked out mounting brackets that allowed the pants to
cover the brakes and center the pants exactly over the brake/wheel/tire.
Also spent some extra time on the nose wheel pant and cleaning up the nose
strut. Other drag reducing efforts had to do with the wing to fuselage
attachment area under the wing. The plans showed nothing there to cover the
gap. I think all of these efforts had an effect on this particular
aircraft.
The Sport Cruiser that I flew with was probably near gross with the two
aboard and full fuel. It may do better if it is at a lighter weight. I did
not ask what their indicated airspeed was, but I do know that 31BZ dual
airspeeds are pretty darn close to actual. But for someone that wants a
ready made aluminum airplane, that is well built and comfortable for a big
guy, it is probably a good choice, especially when they get the Jabiru
engine. Also, they always have some good looking young ladies showing them
at Oshkosh and Sun-N-Fun. Maybe that is why I liked the looks of it when at
those shows.
Blue Skies,
Buz
_____
Start the year off right. Easy
<http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489>
ways to stay in shape in the new year.
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| Subject: | Re: SC / Lightning comparison plus other comments |
In a message dated 1/20/2008 12:43:28 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@AOL.COM writes:
I don't know if a Jabiru engine is an option for the Sport Cruiser, but I
feel sure it would give it better performance than the current Rotax that is
used.
Most of the S-LSA's are using the 912 Rotax ULS. It is rated at 100 hp and
is particularly suited to swinging a "thrust" prop because of the gearing.
However, they seem to hit the wall at about 120 mph. That three bladed prop
that gave such great thrust on the ground doesn't do well at higher speeds
Since the Jab 3300 has 20% more rated power at about the same installed
weight but is direct drive, it shines when you can get the speeds up.
Buz's bugsmasher, the Zodiac 601 is probably the fasted one around. They
have thick enough wings to make wing lockers that will each hold a suitcase!
It also makes a difference using a two blade prop. The Rotax doesn't give
the takeoff thrust with a two blade and still suffers at the top end.
There are a lot of Rotax's out there, but they have their problems. The
biggest one now is that it is a $20,000 engine!!!
Doug Koenigsberg
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In a message dated 1/20/2008 4:56:50 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
Kayberg@aol.com writes:
Buz's bugsmasher, the Zodiac 601 is probably the fasted one around.
Oh please, Doug, it's not my airplane - too ugly for me. Sorry Mark,
but the truth sometimes hurts. And now the word is out that "Mr Lightning lead
builder in SYI", Mark Stouffer, is building a 601XL in his garage. What was
he thinking? To be honest, I think he started it before he went to work at
Arion. I bet if he had to do it again, he would chose a Lightning and have
been already flying it for over a year.
Yes, I was the technical advisor for the chapter's XL and made the first
flight (actually the first ten hours or so) but it was built by the chapter
and then sold to four chapter members that formed a LLC to own and fly it.
We used the firewall forward kit as developed and sold by Jabiru USA and the
guys could not be happier. The wooden Sensenich as provided in the firewall
kit was the perfect match for the airplane/engine combination. We just
completed a 100 hour check. It has been flying for about 8 months.
I have flown several of the LLC guys in 31BZ and you can bet what they
are talking about building next. Actually two of them want to sell now and
start their own Lightnings as soon as that happens.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | SC / Lightning comparison plus other comments |
I think that Mark is a "Builder's builder", meaning that he likes a challen
ge. I hear that his next project is going to be the Spruce Goose II. (100
,000,000 man hours to complete) Working on these time consuming airplanes h
elps him to help you guys in the builder assist program because he's been t
here and seen that. He does enjoy flying the Lightning in his time off to
unwind though. Isn't that right Mark :-)
Brian W.
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