Lightning-List Digest Archive

Wed 02/06/08


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 12:10 AM - Lightning Weight and Balance (Brian Whittingham)
     2. 02:16 AM - Re: Smoke System (Brian Whittingham)
     3. 10:07 AM - Re: Smoke System (Larry Eubanks)
     4. 11:08 AM - Re: Smoke System (N1BZRich@aol.com)
     5. 07:12 PM - Re: Smoke System (Sales Email Account)
     6. 07:26 PM - Re: Smoke System (Sales Email Account)
     7. 10:57 PM - Re: Smoke System (N1BZRich@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 12:10:54 AM PST US
    From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Lightning Weight and Balance
    In the past there have been requests for weight and balance data for the Li ghtning. Keep in mind that this is anexperimental and therefore your aircr aft will depend on what you put into it. I typed up a weight and balance f rom thedemonstrator. I know that this will get out of order when I put it in an email, but if you want the info it shouldn't be too hard tofigure out how to get it spaced back out right. It should give you an idea of how mu ch you can carry and where you can carry itBrian W.Aircraft Type: Arion LightningN Number: N323ALSerial Number: # 0029Reference Datum: FirewallLevel Point: Across cockpit top rail longitudinally, and across cockpit Forw ard Limit: 26.5=94Aft Limit: 36.5=94 Initial Weight and Balance Weight (lbs.) Arm (in.) Moment (in.lbs.)Front 199 -14.75 -2935.25Left 295 42.25 12463.75Right 301 42.25 12717.75Total 795 22245.75C.G. 27.9820755 Baggage Capacity 50lbs. max Empty Aircraft: Unuseable Fuel and Operating fluids Wei ght Moment (in.lbs.)Empty Weight 795 22245.75Center of Gravity 27.9820755 Forward C.G. (with 205lb. p ilot and 6 gallons of useable fuel)Weight (lbs.) Arm (in.) Moment (in.lbs.)Empty Weight 795 27.9 820755 22245.75Pilot & Passenger 205 44.1 9040.5Fuel 3 6 37.4 1346.4Baggage 0 69.76 0Tota l 1036 32632.65C.G. 31.4986969 Aft C.G. at Gross WeightWeight (lbs.) Arm (in.) Moment (in.lbs.)Empty Weight 795 27.9 820755 22245.75Pilot & Passenger 448 44.1 19756.80Fuel 132 37.4 4936.8Baggage 50 69.76 3488T otal 1425 50427.35C.G. 35.387614 _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.-You IM, we g ive.


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    Time: 02:16:29 AM PST US
    From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Smoke System
    Bill, In another thread you were talking about the control stops. All control s are "stopped" by their butting up against the wing, tail, whatever. This is fairly typical of light aircraft, particularly of light sport aircraft. It is an easy and safe system and minimizes weight. One thing that I don 't think that I mentioned before was that when I did my gap seal experiment on the Lightning, we put a 1 inch line of mylar tape along these "touch po ints". You can probably find 1/2 inch long mylar tape as well. You most l ikely will use white like we did, but you can get clear. (problem with cle ar is that it yellows with age) For the most part you never would have see n this tape, but it will protect the paint from skuffing. In my case I was using it for a rub strip against the mylar gap seals. I believe that we s tumbled upon this additional use for it though and think that Nick left it on the demonstrator even after we removed the test section of gap seals. The benefits of the gap seals were clear. they work. To simplify things, my recommendation on that front would be to extend the lip of the trailing edge of the wing back further in future kits by changing the molds. I don' t know how easy that would be to do, but that way there's no maintenance of the seals, no need to spend time for installation, and no danger if one of them came loose. A partial gap cover would be the way to go. Brian W. g-list@matronics.comSubject: Lightning-List: Smoke System Hi All,I would like to install a smoke system in my Lightning. Is this fea sible, has it been done and where do you get the hardware to make this work ?I have been looking at this web site for a system and have made inquiries about their system: http://www.skysmoke.com/contact.htmBill in Tucson _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!-Play the word scramble challenge with sta r power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_ja n


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    Time: 10:07:56 AM PST US
    From: "Larry Eubanks" <leubanks@sunflower.com>
    Subject: Smoke System
    Try this one for comparison. I have a friend that uses one of these. Expensive but they do work. Larry http://www.smokingairplanes.com/ -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sales Email Account Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:22 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Smoke System Hi All, I would like to install a smoke system in my Lightning. Is this feasible, has it been done and where do you get the hardware to make this work? I have been looking at this web site for a system and have made inquiries about their system: http://www.skysmoke.com/contact.htm Bill in Tucson


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    Time: 11:08:20 AM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Smoke System
    Bill, Reference the smoke system, I was going to recommend you call the IAC offices at EAA because I often see smoke systems advertised in the monthly magazine, Sport Aerobatics. However the link that Larry sent you looks good to me. It certainly beats what we had to go through years ago when we put smoke systems in our aerobatic aircraft. We had to find every part from various sources, then experiment to get them to work right together. Such questions as nozzle sizes, nozzle placement, electric pump pressure, hose sizes, etc. took lots of experimenting. The system that Larry mentioned includes everything you should need. Having said all the above, I just have to ask why? Sure, it is your airplane, and it should be exactly what you want, but what will you use it for? We could not use them in competition (only airshows), and you really had to clean off the belly after every use. I assume they still use Texaco Corvis oil for the smoke and inject it into both exhaust pipes (a certain distance from the exhaust end). This distance was kind of critical to get a good smoke density and not just oil spray that would really make a mess. Anyway, have fun and let us know what the Tuscon authorities say when they meet you at the airport to find out what kind of terrorist act you were committing by gassing the locals on the ground. Just kidding of course, but I seem to remember that actually happened a number of years ago when an aerobatic guy let off some smoke over a little league game. Blue Skies, Buz **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)


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    Time: 07:12:21 PM PST US
    From: Sales Email Account <sales@billandruth.net>
    Subject: Re: Smoke System
    Hi Larry, Thanks for your reply. I've looked at this product and am pursuing others because of size and overall cost..............Bill. Larry Eubanks wrote: > Try this one for comparison. I have a friend that uses one of these. > Expensive but they do work. > Larry > > http://www.smokingairplanes.com/ > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Sales Email Account > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 12:22 AM > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Smoke System > > Hi All, > > I would like to install a smoke system in my Lightning. Is this > feasible, has it been done and where do you get the hardware to > make this work? > > I have been looking at this web site for a system and have made > inquiries about their system: http://www.skysmoke.com/contact.htm > > Bill in Tucson > > >href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List >href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c > >


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    Time: 07:26:50 PM PST US
    From: Sales Email Account <sales@billandruth.net>
    Subject: Re: Smoke System
    Buz, Thanks for the input about smoke systems. I want to install one primarily because of safety concerns. The side and head/tail views of this aircraft are exceptionally small and I fly out of a very busy airport with lots of student training and in an area that forces aircraft into a relatively small transition area. We are bounded by mountains to the North and East and military and civilian airports to the south and southwest with high hills to the West. Also, I just think it's really cool and I don't see other aircraft as well as when I was flying fighters! Consequently, "smoke on" may help them to see me..........Bill. N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: > Bill, > Reference the smoke system, I was going to recommend you call the > IAC offices at EAA because I often see smoke systems advertised in the > monthly magazine, Sport Aerobatics. However the link that Larry sent > you looks good to me. It certainly beats what we had to go through > years ago when we put smoke systems in our aerobatic aircraft. We had > to find every part from various sources, then experiment to get them > to work right together. Such questions as nozzle sizes, nozzle > placement, electric pump pressure, hose sizes, etc. took lots of > experimenting. The system that Larry mentioned includes everything > you should need. > Having said all the above, I just have to ask why? Sure, it is > your airplane, and it should be exactly what you want, but what will > you use it for? We could not use them in competition (only airshows), > and you really had to clean off the belly after every use. I assume > they still use Texaco Corvis oil for the smoke and inject it into both > exhaust pipes (a certain distance from the exhaust end). This distance > was kind of critical to get a good smoke density and not just oil > spray that would really make a mess. Anyway, have fun and let us > know what the Tuscon authorities say when they meet you at the airport > to find out what kind of terrorist act you were committing by gassing > the locals on the ground. Just kidding of course, but I seem to > remember that actually happened a number of years ago when an > aerobatic guy let off some smoke over a little league game. > Blue Skies, > Buz > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Who's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL > Music. > <http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp00300000002548> > >


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    Time: 10:57:14 PM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Smoke System
    In a message dated 2/6/2008 10:27:55 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sales@billandruth.net writes: I fly out of a very busy airport with lots of student training and in an area that forces aircraft into a relatively small transition area. Bill, Which airport? And what's the old name for Ryan field? That is where I was teaching a friend slow rolls in his Starduster and the cowling came off. The right side caught on the flying wires and I really had a hand full of yaw / drag, but got it down OK. I think he is still "wetting" his pants. :-) Having been stationed in Arizona twice for a total of about nine years I am very familiar with the area. First time was six years at Luke instructing in the F-4 and then on the initial F-15 ISD Team. I was just back from two combat tours so could stay in one place for a while. Built my Pitts while there. Second time I was the Base Commander at the Gila Bend gunnery ranges (now Barry Goldwater Ranges). Got an OK from the pentagon to keep my Bonanza at the base and used it to fly to and from Luke for meetings with the Air Division. Also used it to ferry VIPs over the 2.7 million acres of the ranges so they could see first hand what the Air Force was doing there. I kept the Pitts at Goodyear, but occasionally brought it to the base. Believe it or not, I really enjoyed the assignment and it got me promoted to O-6. Left the re to go back into the F-4 as the DCO at George. From there went to Langley at the Deputy Inspector General for Air Combat Command. Boy time flies when you are having fun. Blue Skies, Buz **************Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys/pictures/never-won-a-grammy?NCID=aolcmp003000000025 48)




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