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1. 12:50 AM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Daniel DW)
2. 02:46 AM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Jim Langley)
3. 02:58 AM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Jim Langley)
4. 03:06 AM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Brian Whittingham)
5. 05:54 AM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (EAFerguson@aol.com)
6. 06:37 AM - Longer wing? (nick otterback)
7. 09:03 AM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
8. 09:03 AM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
9. 09:03 AM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
10. 09:03 AM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
11. 01:41 PM - suggestions (Peter and Jan Disher)
12. 02:23 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Tex Mantell)
13. 02:58 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Bruce & Colleen Keen)
14. 05:45 PM - Re: Longer wing? (Brian Whittingham)
15. 05:45 PM - Re: Lightning Weight and Balance (Wayne Patterson)
16. 06:24 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
17. 06:42 PM - Re: suggestions (N1BZRich@aol.com)
18. 06:44 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
19. 06:47 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Colin J. Kennedy)
20. 06:48 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Jim Langley)
21. 07:02 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Rick Bowen)
22. 07:02 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
23. 07:05 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
24. 07:08 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
25. 07:14 PM - Re: another suggestions (Peter and Jan Disher)
26. 09:17 PM - Re: Lightning Weight and Balance (Hugh Sontag)
27. 11:05 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Lightning Aircraft Australia)
28. 11:15 PM - Re: Lightning Weight and Balance (Brian Whittingham)
29. 11:26 PM - Re: Have you got the Clap? (Brian Whittingham)
30. 11:36 PM - Trip to SYI (Brian Whittingham)
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Subject: | Have you got the Clap? |
Just an idea...
The Lightning Strike
Danny
From: N1BZRich@AOL.COMDate: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 02:04:04 -0500Subject: Lightnin
g-List: Have you got the Clap?To: lightning-list@matronics.com
All,
Well, now that I have your attention with that subject line, let me exp
lain. What happens after you see a bolt of Lightning? You get a thunder c
lap. Right? Well, everyone on the list has by now seen a Lightning so it
is about time to get a thunder clap in the form of a newsletter. Yes, with
the help of Nick and the others at Arion Aircraft, I am about to start a L
ightning Newsletter that hopefully will go out monthly. You will initially
receive it via this list, but it should also be published and archived on
the Arion web site. I don't think the Matronics list will allow files larg
e enough to include photos in our newsletter, but if we get that fancy and
we actually have photos, those would be included in the Lightning Newslette
r section of the Arion web site. Aren't you excited? No, I don't mean it
that way Earl.
For all of you out there, your mission, should you decide to accept it,
is to give me some suggestions on what we should call the Lightning Newsle
tter and what type of information you would like to see covered. As to the
name, I really don't think "THE CLAP" would be all that appropriate unless
CLAP stands for Cool Lightning Air Plane. So send me your ideas for a nam
e for our newsletter.
Right now the obvious topics to be covered in each issue will be news f
rom the factory, news from dealers, news from builders and owners, upcoming
events, new first flights, and maybe a technical tips section. The dealer
s will have a section so they can send in their news and this will also all
ow prospective customers to know who to contact in their areas. So help me
get the ball rolling and together we can make this a good newsletter.
Blue Skies,
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Subject: | Have you got the Clap? |
This is a test
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@AOL.COM
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Have you got the Clap?
All,
Well, now that I have your attention with that subject line, let me
explain. What happens after you see a bolt of Lightning? You get a thunder
clap. Right? Well, everyone on the list has by now seen a Lightning so it
is about time to get a thunder clap in the form of a newsletter. Yes, with
the help of Nick and the others at Arion Aircraft, I am about to start a
Lightning Newsletter that hopefully will go out monthly. You will initially
receive it via this list, but it should also be published and archived on
the Arion web site. I don't think the Matronics list will allow files large
enough to include photos in our newsletter, but if we get that fancy and we
actually have photos, those would be included in the Lightning Newsletter
section of the Arion web site. Aren't you excited? No, I don't mean it
that way Earl.
For all of you out there, your mission, should you decide to accept it,
is to give me some suggestions on what we should call the Lightning
Newsletter and what type of information you would like to see covered. As
to the name, I really don't think "THE CLAP" would be all that appropriate
unless CLAP stands for Cool Lightning Air Plane. So send me your ideas for
a name for our newsletter.
Right now the obvious topics to be covered in each issue will be news
from the factory, news from dealers, news from builders and owners, upcoming
events, new first flights, and maybe a technical tips section. The dealers
will have a section so they can send in their news and this will also allow
prospective customers to know who to contact in their areas. So help me get
the ball rolling and together we can make this a good newsletter.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Have you got the Clap? |
Buz:
I posted an old newsletter from our RC club as a test. It has a fair amount
of graphics in it, but is in .PDF format. We'll see if the list lets it go
through.
This may for the group if we use this format.
Jim!.
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Subject: | Have you got the Clap? |
Jim,
It works, the PDF opened fine. Buz is right though 500+ kb is a lot of
a load for the mail server to try to forward to all these people and it'd b
e quick and nice to have it on the Arion site once things really get going.
I'd be happy though if we could get a monthly publication similar to the
quality of the one that you sent. Having seen Buz's thorough nature of him
building Bravo Zulu and then helping everybody after him by making a basis
for a manual I am confident it'll be a good publication. As long as peopl
e contribute we'll get some good reads! Brian W.
From: pequeajim@gmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light
ning-List: Have you got the Clap?Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2008 05:42:42 -0500
This is a test
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@AOL.COMSent: Friday, February
08, 2008 2:04 AMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: Lightning-List: H
ave you got the Clap?
All,
Well, now that I have your attention with that subject line, let me exp
lain. What happens after you see a bolt of Lightning? You get a thunder c
lap. Right? Well, everyone on the list has by now seen a Lightning so it
is about time to get a thunder clap in the form of a newsletter. Yes, with
the help of Nick and the others at Arion Aircraft, I am about to start a L
ightning Newsletter that hopefully will go out monthly. You will initially
receive it via this list, but it should also be published and archived on
the Arion web site. I don't think the Matronics list will allow files larg
e enough to include photos in our newsletter, but if we get that fancy and
we actually have photos, those would be included in the Lightning Newslette
r section of the Arion web site. Aren't you excited? No, I don't mean it
that way Earl.
For all of you out there, your mission, should you decide to accept it,
is to give me some suggestions on what we should call the Lightning Newsle
tter and what type of information you would like to see covered. As to the
name, I really don't think "THE CLAP" would be all that appropriate unless
CLAP stands for Cool Lightning Air Plane. So send me your ideas for a nam
e for our newsletter.
Right now the obvious topics to be covered in each issue will be news f
rom the factory, news from dealers, news from builders and owners, upcoming
events, new first flights, and maybe a technical tips section. The dealer
s will have a section so they can send in their news and this will also all
ow prospective customers to know who to contact in their areas. So help me
get the ball rolling and together we can make this a good newsletter.
Blue Skies,
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Subject: | Re: Have you got the Clap? |
Buz,
I'm delighted you are willing to do this. Great idea. That said, I'm not
sure "The Clap" has just the right connotation. How about "The Thunderclap"?
What about an e-mail distribution list in addition to posting on the Arion web
site?
BTW, I don't think i have ever heard thunder in an airplane. Now that should
start a discussion for sure.:<)
And Buz, what did you think I would be getting excited about. At age 71 my
options are more limited than I would like.
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To group,
I believe there has been some misinterpretation of new products coming from Arion
Aircraft.
We do not have a longer wing and have no design for one.
We have designed a wing tip extenision for the current wing plan form that will
increase the wings area and with a slight up swept tip improve its efficiency.
We do not have any longer ailerons as of now. With the current wings aileron
effectivness we may not extend the ailerons at all , if the feel is to heavy
but still effective we will simply re gear them, and only if needed extend the
ailerons for the new tips.
Just wanted to clear this up a bit.....
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft
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Subject: | Re: Have you got the Clap? |
In a message dated 2/8/2008 2:35:39 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
dashvii@hotmail.com writes:
What are you still doing up?
Hi Brian,
Yea, I am keeping some late hours recently, but it is because I am
trying to get caught up on even another project I am working on. I needed to
get
out a report to a group of aviation folks that are helping me plan a practice
session for Region 10 of NIFA (National Intercollegiate Flying Association).
At the last regional contest I was once again the Chief Landings Judge and
I noticed that the contestants just didn't do as good a job on the power on
and power off landings as they had in the past. Talking with the team coaches
and advisors they said the kids just had not practiced as much as in the
past due to increased cost of aircraft rental and fuel. Long story short, I got
the local EAA chapters and the 99s to donate enough money to host a practice
session for the region 10 teams that will be going to the National Contest
this May. If you happen to be back in Tennessee, come watch the kids, as the
Nationals will be in Smyrna, TN, early in May.
Thanks for your "name the newsletter" suggestions. I will keep a tally
and then we can take a vote, forward the reader's results to Nick and the SYI
gang, and let them chose the winning name. What will you win? I have no
idea, but at least you name will be a part of Lightning history for many years
to come. Isn't that exciting? No, not that way Earl.
Blue Skies,
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Subject: | Re: Have you got the Clap? |
Remember, Earl, I tried to talk you and Linda into doing this last September
at the Lightning fly in. Since you didn't volunteer you are now stuck with
me - at least until you relent and become the "second" Lightning Newsletter
Editor. Hint, hint. And yes, the idea is to distribute the newsletter via
the Matronics Lightning list, but to also put it on the Arion web site so those
not on the list might find it there. The web site would also allow past
issues to also be available for those doing "research" on the world's best
newsletters.
And yes, I have heard thunder in the cockpit while flying my Cub. It was
one of those situations where you wished you were not hearing thunder as the
airplane was too slow to outrun the rapidly developing storm.
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Subject: | Re: Have you got the Clap? |
Thanks Danny,
Your suggestion is on the list.
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Subject: | Re: Have you got the Clap? |
Jim,
Your RC Club newsletter looks great - much higher quality in terms of
graphics than I had in mind, but it will give us a goal to aim for. My initial
goal will be to get the accurate "news" out in a timely manner and then
start to incorporate photos as I can. Is there a particular soft ware program
that you would recommend? I only have adobe reader at the moment, so any help
would be greatly appreciated. I am not anywhere near what you would call a
computer whiz - in fact my computer screen has white out all over it. You
know me, to a guy with a beer in one hand and a big hammer in the other hand,
everything looks like a nail. So - HELP.
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Hi Guys,
My two bobs worth, "The Lightning Extra", " The Lightning Leader", "The
Lightning Gazette", "The Electric Lightning", "Thunder And Lightning",
"Lightning Strike"
Pete D
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Subject: | Re: Have you got the Clap? |
Buzz, love your idea,and the name is sort of neat. I know I would be
very happy to send in topics if I could attach pictures,for I don't
don't have the vocabulary to put an Idea across. It was George Eastman
who said " a picture is worth 1000 words."
Will be looking forward to your efforts.
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Have you got the Clap?
All,
Well, now that I have your attention with that subject line, let
me explain. What happens after you see a bolt of Lightning? You get a
thunder clap. Right? Well, everyone on the list has by now seen a
Lightning so it is about time to get a thunder clap in the form of a
newsletter. Yes, with the help of Nick and the others at Arion
Aircraft, I am about to start a Lightning Newsletter that hopefully will
go out monthly. You will initially receive it via this list, but it
should also be published and archived on the Arion web site. I don't
think the Matronics list will allow files large enough to include photos
in our newsletter, but if we get that fancy and we actually have photos,
those would be included in the Lightning Newsletter section of the Arion
web site. Aren't you excited? No, I don't mean it that way Earl.
For all of you out there, your mission, should you decide to
accept it, is to give me some suggestions on what we should call the
Lightning Newsletter and what type of information you would like to see
covered. As to the name, I really don't think "THE CLAP" would be all
that appropriate unless CLAP stands for Cool Lightning Air Plane. So
send me your ideas for a name for our newsletter.
Right now the obvious topics to be covered in each issue will be
news from the factory, news from dealers, news from builders and owners,
upcoming events, new first flights, and maybe a technical tips section.
The dealers will have a section so they can send in their news and this
will also allow prospective customers to know who to contact in their
areas. So help me get the ball rolling and together we can make this a
good newsletter.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Subject: | Re: Have you got the Clap? |
Suggestion -The Lightning Strike
Cheers
BK
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@AOL.COM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 6:04 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Have you got the Clap?
All,
Well, now that I have your attention with that subject line, let
me explain. What happens after you see a bolt of Lightning? You get a
thunder clap. Right? Well, everyone on the list has by now seen a
Lightning so it is about time to get a thunder clap in the form of a
newsletter. Yes, with the help of Nick and the others at Arion
Aircraft, I am about to start a Lightning Newsletter that hopefully will
go out monthly. You will initially receive it via this list, but it
should also be published and archived on the Arion web site. I don't
think the Matronics list will allow files large enough to include photos
in our newsletter, but if we get that fancy and we actually have photos,
those would be included in the Lightning Newsletter section of the Arion
web site. Aren't you excited? No, I don't mean it that way Earl.
For all of you out there, your mission, should you decide to
accept it, is to give me some suggestions on what we should call the
Lightning Newsletter and what type of information you would like to see
covered. As to the name, I really don't think "THE CLAP" would be all
that appropriate unless CLAP stands for Cool Lightning Air Plane. So
send me your ideas for a name for our newsletter.
Right now the obvious topics to be covered in each issue will be
news from the factory, news from dealers, news from builders and owners,
upcoming events, new first flights, and maybe a technical tips section.
The dealers will have a section so they can send in their news and this
will also allow prospective customers to know who to contact in their
areas. So help me get the ball rolling and together we can make this a
good newsletter.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Nick,
I knew that it was a wingtip extension, but didn't know about the aileron.
I guess when I moved away we were still discussing the possibility of a lo
nger aileron, but if you don't think it'll need it, no reason to go to the
trouble. Do you have any early pics of this mod yet? Also, how does the n
ew canopy latch mechanism work. I know that you said that you can open it
from outside, but can't really tell much from the pictures on the site. I'
m still going to meet with Buz's friend down here and see if I can get him
interested in the Lightning, but he's busy with astronauts and cosmonauts r
ight now. Have a good one Arion crew. Brian W.
ing-List: Longer wing?To: lightning-list@matronics.com
To group,
I believe there has been some misinterpretation of new products coming from
Arion Aircraft.
We do not have a longer wing and have no design for one.
We have designed a wing tip extenision for the current wing plan form that
will increase the wings area and with a slight up swept tip improve its eff
iciency. We do not have any longer ailerons as of now. With the current win
gs aileron effectivness we may not extend the ailerons at all , if the feel
is to heavy but still effective we will simply re gear them, and only if n
eeded extend the ailerons for the new tips.
Just wanted to clear this up a bit.....
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft
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Subject: | Lightning Weight and Balance |
Photos cam through fine thanks Brian. I can start wall-papering my
office wall now!
In regards the newsletter - I'm hanging out for photos/videos of
finished Lightnings being used - for local fun or for cross-country
touring. Perhaps some in-flight video shot from the cockpit while over
something worth seeing. My build will probably take 12 months after the
kit arrives in Australia - so such photos/videos of completed aircraft
doing their thing would really help me through the build!
Regards
Wayne
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Weight and Balance
Wayne,
Should be around 1530 lcl there if I did that right. Just wanted to
check and see if you got your 3 photos that I sent via email. Nothing
bounced back so I assume it worked, or I overloaded your email account
and you can't log back in. Brian W.
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Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Weight and Balance
From: Wayne@lpwa.net
Perth is 8 hours ahead of GMT. Getting our heads around USA time is
harder - the shortest distance and timeframe crosses the date line. It
is 8.40pm Thursday here at the moment.
I look forward to receiving the photos!
Regards & thanks
Wayne
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 5:59 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Weight and Balance
Wayne,
I've got a couple, let me find them and I'll send you an email to
your personal addy. I might be the only one up in the U.S. on the board
at this hour. 3a.m. here. What is your conversion to zulu there?
Brian W.
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Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Weight and Balance
From: Wayne@lpwa.net
Hi Tom & Al
Would it be possible for you to email me a higher quality photo of your
aircraft in flight (Arion Intro Page) and taxying. I have just ordered
my kit and I'd like to print larger copies to pin up on my office wall
to keep me going!
Regards & thanks
Wayne Patterson
Perth Australia
wayne@lpwa.net
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 5:08 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning Weight and Balance
In the past there have been requests for weight and balance data
for the Lightning. Keep in mind that this is an
experimental and therefore your aircraft will depend on what you
put into it. I typed up a weight and balance from the
demonstrator. I know that this will get out of order when I put
it in an email, but if you want the info it shouldn't be too hard to
figure out how to get it spaced back out right. It should give
you an idea of how much you can carry and where you can carry it
Brian W.
Aircraft Type: Arion Lightning
N Number: N323AL
Serial Number: #0029
Reference Datum: Firewall
Level Point: Across cockpit top
rail longitudinally, and across cockpit
Forward Limit: 26.5"
Aft Limit: 36.5"
Initial Weight and Balance
Weight (lbs.) Arm
(in.) Moment (in.lbs.)
Front 199
-14.75 -2935.25
Left 295
42.25 12463.75
Right 301 42.25
12717.75
Total 795
22245.75
C.G.
27.9820755
Baggage Capacity 50lbs. max
Empty Aircraft: Unuseable Fuel and Operating fluids
Weight
Moment (in.lbs.)
Empty Weight 795
22245.75
Center of Gravity 27.9820755
Forward C.G. (with 205lb. pilot and 6 gallons of useable fuel)
Weight (lbs.) Arm (in.) Moment (in.lbs.)
Empty Weight 795
27.9820755 22245.75
Pilot & Passenger 205 44.1
9040.5
Fuel 36
37.4 1346.4
Baggage 0 69.76
0
Total 1036
32632.65
C.G.
31.4986969
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Weight (lbs.) Arm (in.) Moment (in.lbs.)
Empty Weight 795
27.9820755 22245.75
Pilot & Passenger 448 44.1
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Buz,
Another suggestion for the name, "Lightning Bolt"
Linda
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To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 2:04 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Have you got the Clap?
All,
Well, now that I have your attention with that subject line, let
me explain. What happens after you see a bolt of Lightning? You get a
thunder clap. Right? Well, everyone on the list has by now seen a
Lightning so it is about time to get a thunder clap in the form of a
newsletter. Yes, with the help of Nick and the others at Arion
Aircraft, I am about to start a Lightning Newsletter that hopefully will
go out monthly. You will initially receive it via this list, but it
should also be published and archived on the Arion web site. I don't
think the Matronics list will allow files large enough to include photos
in our newsletter, but if we get that fancy and we actually have photos,
those would be included in the Lightning Newsletter section of the Arion
web site. Aren't you excited? No, I don't mean it that way Earl.
For all of you out there, your mission, should you decide to
accept it, is to give me some suggestions on what we should call the
Lightning Newsletter and what type of information you would like to see
covered. As to the name, I really don't think "THE CLAP" would be all
that appropriate unless CLAP stands for Cool Lightning Air Plane. So
send me your ideas for a name for our newsletter.
Right now the obvious topics to be covered in each issue will be
news from the factory, news from dealers, news from builders and owners,
upcoming events, new first flights, and maybe a technical tips section.
The dealers will have a section so they can send in their news and this
will also allow prospective customers to know who to contact in their
areas. So help me get the ball rolling and together we can make this a
good newsletter.
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In a message dated 2/8/2008 4:42:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pjdisher@bigpond.com writes:
My two bobs worth, "The Lightning Extra", " The Lightning Leader", "The
Lightning Gazette", "The Electric Lightning", "Thunder And Lightning",
"Lightning Strike"
Hi Peter,
So two bobs equal six suggested newsletter names. So does that mean the
winning name should get 1/3 bob? What's a bob and where will I get 1/3 of
one to send to the person that submitted the winning newsletter name? I hope
you guys "down under" send me lots of input for the newsletter.
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Thanks, BK. Your suggestion has been added to the list of possible
Lightning newsletter names. Does lightning strike from ground to cloud "down
under"?
;-)
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I think that this is a wonderful idea and potentially a great benefit of
information to all prospective buliders, builders and owners. I salute
Buz
for the initiative.
I do not have a clever suggestion, but an observation that others can
perhaps build upon.
It is at least psossible that rather than develop continually evolving
versions of the Lightning to create a dynasty like the Porsche 911, in
the
long run, Arion may produce two or more airplane models different enough
to
not share the Lightning name.
Were things to develop like this, I would imagine that the publication
may
be more successful by encompassing all of Arion's airplanes.
So, would it show foresight to develop the name based on Arion rather
than
Lightning?
Colin K.
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Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 1:04 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Have you got the Clap?
All,
Well, now that I have your attention with that subject line, let me
explain. What happens after you see a bolt of Lightning? You get a
thunder
clap. Right? Well, everyone on the list has by now seen a Lightning so
it
is about time to get a thunder clap in the form of a newsletter. Yes,
with
the help of Nick and the others at Arion Aircraft, I am about to start a
Lightning Newsletter that hopefully will go out monthly. You will
initially
receive it via this list, but it should also be published and archived
on
the Arion web site. I don't think the Matronics list will allow files
large
enough to include photos in our newsletter, but if we get that fancy and
we
actually have photos, those would be included in the Lightning
Newsletter
section of the Arion web site. Aren't you excited? No, I don't mean it
that way Earl.
For all of you out there, your mission, should you decide to accept
it,
is to give me some suggestions on what we should call the Lightning
Newsletter and what type of information you would like to see covered.
As
to the name, I really don't think "THE CLAP" would be all that
appropriate
unless CLAP stands for Cool Lightning Air Plane. So send me your ideas
for
a name for our newsletter.
Right now the obvious topics to be covered in each issue will be
news
from the factory, news from dealers, news from builders and owners,
upcoming
events, new first flights, and maybe a technical tips section. The
dealers
will have a section so they can send in their news and this will also
allow
prospective customers to know who to contact in their areas. So help me
get
the ball rolling and together we can make this a good newsletter.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Actually Buz, I used Microsoft Publisher because it was so easy to use. I
then used Adob e to publish the file. You can put the newsletter together
in anything you like and email it to me and I will convert it for you and
send it back..
Arion could post it on their site,a nd all you need to do is provide a
hyperlink to the file in your message to everyone.
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> Jim,
> Your RC Club newsletter looks great - much higher quality in terms of
> graphics than I had in mind, but it will give us a goal to aim for. My
> initial goal will be to get the accurate "news" out in a timely manner and
> then start to incorporate photos as I can. Is there a particular soft ware
> program that you would recommend? I only have adobe reader at the moment,
> so any help would be greatly appreciated. I am not anywhere near what you
> would call a computer whiz - in fact my computer screen has white out all
> over it. You know me, *to a guy with a beer in one hand and a big hammer
> in the other hand, everything looks like a nail.* So - HELP.
> Buz
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Another newsletter name suggestion....How about "AWE/STRUCK" using a little
lightning bolt instead of a forward slash mark between the words?
And then maybe a little line underneath with something like:
"The Arion Aircraft builders/flyers Official newsletter"
Am I making any sense with this...?
I think it would look kinda' cool, and be different.
My 2 cents, and worth what you paid for it!
Rick
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cjk129@cox.net writes:
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In a message dated 2/8/2008 9:49:56 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cjk129@cox.net writes:
So, would it show foresight to develop the name based on Arion rather than
Lightning?
Colin,
I think that is an excellent idea. Since Arion is a horse from Greek
Mythology, are you suggesting that an appropriate name would be something like
"Horse Droppings". Just kidding of course, but I do think you have hit on a
great idea / suggestion for incorporating Arion instead of Lightning. Any
yes, they just might do a Thunderbolt some day. You know the Arion skunk works
is always thinking - well almost always when they have a beer in one hand.
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Hi Rick
I like that. It would make a nice logo. Thanks.
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Subject: | Re: another suggestions |
Hi Buz,
Another suggestion from my wife, she says the news letter should be
called "Extra Marital" or "The other woman"
A Bob was in my early days before decimal currency was one shilling,
yes, we had pounds until 1966. So 1/3 of a Bob is 4 pennies.
Pete D
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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: suggestions
In a message dated 2/8/2008 4:42:12 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pjdisher@bigpond.com writes:
My two bobs worth, "The Lightning Extra", " The Lightning Leader",
"The Lightning Gazette", "The Electric Lightning", "Thunder And
Lightning", "Lightning Strike"
Hi Peter,
So two bobs equal six suggested newsletter names. So does that
mean the winning name should get 1/3 bob? What's a bob and where will I
get 1/3 of one to send to the person that submitted the winning
newsletter name? I hope you guys "down under" send me lots of input for
the newsletter.
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Subject: | Lightning Weight and Balance |
Can anyone tell me what the datum of the engine CG is, and the datum
of the bulkhead at the rear of the baggage compartment?
I'd like to move the engine forward enough to compensate for the BRS,
without compromising the 50-lb. baggage rating.
I believe that the reason that baggage is limited to 10 lbs with the
BRS is due to an aft CG condition that could be remedied by moving
the engine forward just a bit.
At the same time, it would be really nice to put the BRS behind the
baggage compartment.
Hugh Sontag
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HI BUZ, Great to hear from you, I think the magazine is a great thought.
We have a saying down under if something is pretty
slippery in speed. as fast as "GREASED LIGHTNING"
Lightning sales are going well we have just ordered our 16th AIRCRAFT,
possiblyto be 17 in a few days.
Regards, Dennis Borchardt, LIGHTNING AIRCRAFT AUSTRALIA.
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Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 1:08 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Have you got the Clap?
Thanks, BK. Your suggestion has been added to the list of possible
Lightning newsletter names. Does lightning strike from ground to cloud
"down under"? ;-)
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Subject: | Lightning Weight and Balance |
Wayne,
I feel your pain. I only got to fly other people's planes and never own
ed one of my own. When my life is less hectic, then I plan to do a Lightni
ng video. I never got a chance to make the live action video that I had pl
anned, but instead, I think now I will make a video more of a photo slide s
how. I've got plenty of photos, and I've got the music that I wanted to pu
t on the other video, now I just need the time. Brian W.
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Weight and BalanceDate: Sat, 9 Feb 2
008 10:04:41 +0900From: Wayne@lpwa.netTo: lightning-list@matronics.com
Photos cam through fine thanks Brian. I can start wall-papering my office
wall now!
In regards the newsletter ' I=92m hanging out for photos/videos of finish
ed Lightnings being used ' for local fun or for cross-country touring. P
erhaps some in-flight video shot from the cockpit while over something wort
h seeing. My build will probably take 12 months after the kit arrives in A
ustralia ' so such photos/videos of completed aircraft doing their thing
would really help me through the build!
Regards
Wayne
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian WhittinghamSent: Friday, Februar
y 08, 2008 4:38 PMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Lightning-Li
st: Lightning Weight and Balance
Wayne, Should be around 1530 lcl there if I did that right. Just wanted
to check and see if you got your 3 photos that I sent via email. Nothingb
ounced back so I assume it worked, or I overloaded your email account and y
ou can't log back in. Brian W.
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Weight and BalanceDate: Thu, 7 Feb 2
008 20:48:34 +0900From: Wayne@lpwa.netTo: lightning-list@matronics.com
Perth is 8 hours ahead of GMT. Getting our heads around USA time is harder
' the shortest distance and timeframe crosses the date line. It is 8.40
pm Thursday here at the moment.
I look forward to receiving the photos!
Regards & thanks
Wayne
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian WhittinghamSent: Thursday, Febru
ary 07, 2008 5:59 PMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Lightning-
List: Lightning Weight and Balance
Wayne, I've got a couple, let me find them and I'll send you an email to
your personal addy. I might be the only one up in the U.S. on the board at
this hour. 3a.m. here. What is your conversion to zulu there? Brian W.
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Weight and BalanceDate: Thu, 7 Feb 2
008 17:55:54 +0900From: Wayne@lpwa.netTo: lightning-list@matronics.com
Hi Tom & Al
Would it be possible for you to email me a higher quality photo of your air
craft in flight (Arion Intro Page) and taxying. I have just ordered my kit
and I=92d like to print larger copies to pin up on my office wall to keep
me going!
Regards & thanks
Wayne Patterson
Perth Australia
wayne@lpwa.net
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian WhittinghamSent: Wednesday, Febr
uary 06, 2008 5:08 PMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: Lightning-Lis
t: Lightning Weight and Balance
In the past there have been requests for weight and balance data for the L
ightning. Keep in mind that this is anexperimental and therefore your airc
raft will depend on what you put into it. I typed up a weight and balance
from thedemonstrator. I know that this will get out of order when I put it
in an email, but if you want the info it shouldn't be too hard tofigure ou
t how to get it spaced back out right. It should give you an idea of how m
uch you can carry and where you can carry itBrian W.Aircraft Type:
Arion LightningN Number: N
323ALSerial Number: #0029Reference Datum: Firewall
Level Point: Across cockpit top rail longitud
inally, and across cockpit Forward Limit: 26
.5=94Aft Limit: 36.5=94 Initial Weight an
d Balance Weight (lbs.) Arm (in.
) Moment (in.lbs.)Front 199
-14.75 -2935.25Left 295
42.25 12463.75Right
301 42.25 12717.7
5Total 795
22245.75C.G.
27.9820755 Baggage Capacity 50lbs. max Empty Aircraft: Unuseable F
uel and Operating fluids Weight
Moment (in.lbs.)Empty Weight 795
22245.75Center of Gravity 27.9820755 Forward C.G.
(with 205lb. pilot and 6 gallons of useable fuel)Weight (lbs.)
Arm (in.) Moment (in.lbs.)Empty Weight
795 27.9820755 22245.7
5Pilot & Passenger 205 44.1
9040.5Fuel 3
6 37.4 1346
.4Baggage 0 69.76
0Total 1
036 326
32.65C.G.
31.4986969 Aft C.G. at Gross WeightWeight (lbs.)
Arm (in.) Moment (in.lbs.)Empty Weight 795
27.9820755 22245.75Pilot &
Passenger 448 44.1
19756.80Fuel 132
37.4 4936.8Baggage
50 69.76
3488Total 1425
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Rick, How is Romeo Bravo doing? Ever get those wheel pants on? Brian Wh
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Nick, I should be headed back to the area at some point in the next 2-3 m
onths. I will try to stop by and say hi to everybody. I'll also see if I
can't get a hardbackcopy of my thesis sent to you guys, since it involved o
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