---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 02/15/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:35 AM - Re: The Lightning Newsletter if finally here (Daniel DW) 2. 11:14 AM - Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling problems (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com) 3. 11:27 AM - Re: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling problems (Rick Bowen) 4. 11:38 AM - Re: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling p roblems (Wayne Lenox) 5. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling problems (N1BZRich@aol.com) 6. 12:34 PM - Re: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling p roblems (Jim Langley) 7. 03:35 PM - Re: The Lightning Newsletter if finally here (kayberg@aol.com) 8. 04:11 PM - Re: The Lightning Newsletter if finally here (Brian Whittingham) 9. 04:38 PM - 51 percent rule (sttwig) 10. 05:51 PM - Re: 51 percent rule (N1BZRich@aol.com) 11. 09:41 PM - Re: 51 percent rule (Steven Sundquist) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:35:14 AM PST US From: Daniel DW Subject: RE: Lightning-List: The Lightning Newsletter if finally here Buz, great stuff... Looking forward for the next one... Danny From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:19:36 -0500Subject: Lightni ng-List: The Lightning Newsletter if finally hereTo: lightning-list@matroni cs.com Hello all Lightning owners, builders, flyers, and enthusiast, Attached is the first Lightning newsletter designed and written just fo r you. Remember the newsletter name is yet to be chosen, so please keep se nding your suggestions. I am also requesting you send me your feedback on the newsletter, your inputs for future editions (including photos), and any other suggestions you may have to make it better. Everyone needs to get i nvolved to make it worthwhile and for it to have up to date information. S o download the file and start reading. Then let me know what you think and pass on some suggestions for future issues. By the way, the newsletter wi ll also be available on the Lightning web site (www.arionaircraft.com) so that potential customers not on this list will have access to it. Also, h aving all the past issues posted there will allow it to be used for archive purposes. Blue Skies, Buz Rich The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Musi c takes you there. _________________________________________________________________ Deel gratis al je leukste eindejaarsmomenten... http://get.live.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:02 AM PST US From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling problems Hey Guys/Gals: I am seriously contemplating building a lightning. I live on a grass runway in FL, so I am concerned about operations off of grass. Does anyone else operate consistently off of grass? I also wonder about CHT's on the Jabiru. I have a 601 HD which seems to have a cooling problem. I hope I have it fixed, but wonder about the Lightning? Thanks in advance for your responses. Lynn Nelsen **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:27:57 AM PST US From: Rick Bowen Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling problems Lynn, Fire me a email to my home addy. I am based on a grass strip, will help out anyway I can. RickN727RB From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.comDate: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:10:25 -0500Subject: Light ning-List: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling problemsTo: lig htning-list@matronics.com Hey Guys/Gals: I am seriously contemplating building a lightning. I live on a grass runway in FL, so I am concerned about operations off of grass. Doe s anyone else operate consistently off of grass? I also wonder about CHT's on the Jabiru. I have a 601 HD which seems to have a cooling problem. I hope I have it fixed, but wonder about the Light ning? Thanks in advance for your responses. Lynn Nelsen The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Musi c takes you there. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!-Play the word scramble challenge with sta r power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_ja n ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:58 AM PST US From: "Wayne Lenox" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling p roblems Lynn On Tuesday of this week I was able to fly an older Lightning (#2). Then the same afternoon I flue the New Lightning (#22). The older lightning need help with CHT, however the new lightning ran very cool. Max CHT w as 295 and I tried to get it hot. I think the heating problem is fixed. Wayne -- IFLYSMODEL@aol.com wrote: Hey Guys/Gals: I am seriously contemplating building a lightning. I live on a grass runway in FL, so I am concerned about operations off of gras s. Does anyone else operate consistently off of grass? I also wonder about CHT's on the Jabiru. I have a 601 HD which seems to have a cooling problem. I hope I have it fixed, but wonder about the Lightning? Tha nks in advance for your responses.Lynn Nelsen The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL M ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ======================== ============ _____________________________________________________________ Beauty School Programs - Get the career you've always wanted. Click Now. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3oLm4Xfk9l8CACADRsND33 nCdEydpgUohejNiEefCOfKWqhN/ ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:55 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling problems Hi Lynn, Good to hear from you again. My experience has been that if you have the inter cylinder baffles and deflectors inside the supplied fiberglass intake ducts positioned properly there is no problem with CHT on the 3300 Jabiru. Most of my experience is with the 3300 (several different aircraft) but I have also flown two airplanes with the 2200 and none of them had CHT problems once you have things set up as I mentioned above. Our chapter's 601XL initially had high readings in the summer months, but fine tuning on the deflectors inside the intake ducts solved that. Another thing to think about is the newer hydraulic lifter 3300s have a higher CHT range than the older solid lifer models, so it is not as critical while you are fine tuning the system. If you build with one of the Lightning dealers or at Shelbyville they will make sure you get it right. If you build at home, then do yourself a favor and go to one of the engine seminars where that type of stuff is covered. The Lightnings (and Esquals) operate great out of grass fields, but I would not consider them rough field or certainly not bush planes. Remember you have only 500x5 tires. I have taken mine into all the grass fields in VA that I used to take my Pitts into with no problem. They certainly land slower than the Pitts so the ground run is short. Also, the dealer in Green Landings (gosh I want to say Acres) operates out of a grass field all the time. One other thought - if your I FLY S MODEL "call sign" refers to a 64 or 65 Bonanza, then you are in for a treat. As nice as the Bonanzas fly, the Lightning is better on much less than half the fuel burn. Since you live in Florida, be sure to make Sun-N-Fun and see the new 2008 Demo. You might even get a ride. Blue Skies, Buz PS: Which airport in Florida? **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:34:55 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Lightning grass runway operation and cooling p roblems Lynn: While I don't know the total numbers, I Do know that there are many Lightnings that operate out of grass fields. Green Landings is a build center and they have a grass runway. In fact, friends of mine with RVs tell me that the grass helps to cut down on the gear shimmy on their aircraft, so I would imagine it would help rather than hurt. The Lightning is a tought airplane and unless you are flying off of rocky tundra, I would expect you to be in good shape. Jim! www.jimslightning.com On 2/15/08, Wayne Lenox wrote: > > Lynn > > On Tuesday of this week I was able to fly an older Lightning (#2). Then > the same afternoon I flue the New Lightning (#22). The older lightning need > help with CHT, however the new lightning ran very cool. Max CHT was 295 and > I tried to get it hot. I think the heating problem is fixed. > > Wayne > > -- IFLYSMODEL@aol.com wrote: > Hey Guys/Gals: I am seriously contemplating building a lightning. I live > on a grass runway in FL, so I am concerned about operations off of grass. > Does anyone else operate consistently off of grass? > I also wonder about CHT's on the Jabiru. I have a 601 HD which seems > to have a cooling problem. I hope I have it fixed, but wonder about the > Lightning? > Thanks in advance for your responses. > Lynn Nelsen > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:17 PM PST US Subject: Re: Lightning-List: The Lightning Newsletter if finally here From: kayberg@aol.com Thanks, Doug.? I appreciate the encouraging words and the fact that someone actually knows that a bleam is the scientific speed measure of a mythogical horse walking backwards.? Blue Skies, Buz \ Thanks for the scientific explanation.? I was taking my data from Mork (who was from Ork).? You may recall he was an alien on TV a few years back (Mork and Mindy).? He measured space travel in Bleams.? I simply took a SWAG at it from there. Doug -----Original Message----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:26 am Subject: Re: Lightning-List: The Lightning Newsletter if finally here In a message dated 2/14/2008 7:22:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Kayberg@aol.com writes: Actually an exceptional job. ? The answer to the question is :? About 4 bleams faster than stupid. Thanks, Doug.? I appreciate the encouraging words and the fact that someone actually knows that a bleam is the scientific speed measure of a mythogical horse walking backwards.? Blue Skies, Buz The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Music takes you there. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:16 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: The Lightning Newsletter if finally here Hey Doug, Considering Buz's recent reference to Mr. Ed (darn he beat me to it!), I'm pretty sure that tv is where he learned what a Bleam is too! *L* Brian W. Newsletter if finally hereDate: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:26:05 -0500From: kayber g@aol.com Thanks, Doug. I appreciate the encouraging words and the fact that someone actually knows that a bleam is the scientific speed measure of a mythogica l horse walking backwards. Blue Skies, Buz\Thanks for the scientific explanation. I was taking my data from Mork (who was from Ork). You may recall he was an alien on TV a few years back (Mork and Mindy). He measured space travel in Bleams. I simply took a SWA G at it from there.Doug-----Original Message-----From: N1BZRich@aol.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSent: Thu, 14 Feb 2008 10:26 amSubject: Re: Lig htning-List: The Lightning Newsletter if finally here In a message dated 2/14/2008 7:22:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, Kayberg@ao l.com writes: Actually an exceptional job. The answer to the question is : About 4 bleams faster than stupid. Thanks, Doug. I appreciate the encouraging words and the fact that someone actually knows that a bleam is the scientific speed measure of a mythogica l horse walking backwards. Blue Skies, Buz The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. AOL Musi c takes you there. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!-Play the word scramble challenge with sta r power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_ja n ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:51 PM PST US Subject: Lightning-List: 51 percent rule From: "sttwig" Concerning the just announced FAA moratorium on new additions to the 51 percent approved list, I don't see Arion or the Lightning on the approved list. What does that mean, if anything to us who are currently in the process of building? Steve Kit #48 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=164331#164331 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:51:39 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: 51 percent rule In a message dated 2/15/2008 7:40:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, sttwig@nwinfo.net writes: What does that mean, if anything to us who are currently in the process of building? Hi Steve, Probably nothing, however it is something to be concerned about because so much depends on your local FAA (FSDO) and their opinion as to what constitutes the 51% rule. So until the new rule is out, you are probably wise to at least be concerned. And hopefully the new rule will spell out what is legal so the "local opinion" is removed from the equation. You probably understand what got all this started, and of course kits like the Lightning and builders assistance programs for them had nothing to do with the current FAA concerns and the new rule being worked on. As far as I know there has never been a question or concern by the FAA or any DAR as to whether the Lightning represents a 51% kit. And obviously with at least 22 of them flying, the airworthiness certificates are obviously being presented to the builders which means the FAA is happy with how each builder has been able to document that he did 51%. The current concern or problem came up with the introduction of factory assist programs for the very complex, high performance, (pressurized, turbo jet, etc) airplanes that had to be built at the factory. There is just no way that an individual builder was able to build something so complex at home and was not really doing any fabrication or work at the factory that came near accomplishing 51% of the processes to complete these types of airplanes. That is the FAA concern and the reason for the current situation. At least the FAA once again has asked the EAA to be involved and as a result I believe that the best solution will be forthcoming. Lets hope so. Bottom line, I think the USA still has and will continue to have the best regulations for building and flying experimental aircraft. Blue Skies, Buz **************The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. Go to AOL Music. (http://music.aol.com/grammys?NCID=aolcmp00300000002565) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:41:58 PM PST US From: "Steven Sundquist" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: 51 percent rule Buz, Thank you for your thoughtful and thorough response. You answered my questions and allayed my concerns. I was afraid that even though 20 or so Lightnings are flying in the USA that something had all of sudden changed that jeopardizes the rest of us, especially those in the builders' assist program. I'm glad you could shed some light on a situation I didn't understand. We should be thankful we have the EAA as our advocate and we live in the USA where we still have more aviation freedom than any other place on earth. Steve What does that mean, if anything to us who are currently in the process of building? Hi Steve, Probably nothing, however it is something to be concerned about because so much depends on your local FAA (FSDO) and their opinion as to what constitutes the 51% rule. So until the new rule is out, you are probably wise to at least be concerned. And hopefully the new rule will spell out what is legal so the "local opinion" is removed from the equation. You probably understand what got all this started, and of course kits like the Lightning and builders assistance programs for them had nothing to do with the current FAA concerns and the new rule being worked on. As far as I know there has never been a question or concern by the FAA or any DAR as to whether the Lightning represents a 51% kit. And obviously with at least 22 of them flying, the airworthiness certificates are obviously being presented to the builders which means the FAA is happy with how each builder has been able to document that he did 51%. The current concern or problem came up with the introduction of factory assist programs for the very complex, high performance, (pressurized, turbo jet, etc) airplanes that had to be built at the factory. There is just no way that an individual builder was able to build something so complex at home and was not really doing any fabrication or work at the factory that came near accomplishing 51% of the processes to complete these types of airplanes. That is the FAA concern and the reason for the current situation. At least the FAA once again has asked the EAA to be involved and as a result I believe that the best solution will be forthcoming. Lets hope so. Bottom line, I think the USA still has and will continue to have the best regulations for building and flying experimental aircraft. Blue Skies, Buz _____ The year's hottest artists on the red carpet at the Grammy Awards. 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