---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/26/08: 4 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:52 AM - Re: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos (Dave) 2. 06:46 AM - Re: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos (Allan Maxwell) 3. 08:55 AM - Re: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos (flylightning) 4. 04:36 PM - Re: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos (Colin J. Kennedy) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:52:38 AM PST US From: "Dave" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos MessageLightning should not need this? remember I have an Esqual that I could not gain altitude before overheating. Tried everything. Made about 6 of these deflectors till I felt I got it right. It has been on the plane closer to two years now with never never getting temps over 310 and under 300 in auto pilot. hope the photos help Dave McC ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin J. Kennedy To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Dave, I am having some difficulty understaanding your deflector. Would you please post a photo taken from slightly further away, in order to put everything in context? Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:29 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Guys I have on my Esqual a 2 inch deflector and have been running with it for over a year. I never have heating problems even while taxing. Have sent out photos of it to others who are also using it. Dave McC ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel DW To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:01 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Clive, we could add a lip on our cowling, made in alu. Danny ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - > Subject: FW: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:55:55 +0000 > From: clive.james@uk.bp.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Apologies I should have carried on reading the next few posts. Though my > comments still apply. > > Looking at the pictures of the Lightning ducts and my Esquals the size > difference is massive. > > Worth some 'liquid engineering' if there's space. > > Regards, Clive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > N1BZRich@aol.com > Sent: 21 February 2008 22:07 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos > > Danny, > Right after I sent the previous message I remembered where you could > see the lip on the Lightning's bottom cowl. Go to the Lightning news > web page http://www.arionaircraft.com/News.html, and scroll down to near > the bottom and look at the photos for 1/5/2006, Lightning Cowl > Finalized, and also 2/15/2005, Wheel and gear fairings set for trial. > Both of these set of photos show the lip or air dam. The idea is the > same as on a car. The air dam forces air down and thus creates a lower > pressure area under the bottom cowl. Hope this helps. > Buz > > > > ________________________________ > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL > Living. > s-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598> ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Neem je vrienden overal mee dankzij Messenger op je gsm. Messenger voor Mobile href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:46:59 AM PST US From: Allan Maxwell Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Dave can you give me pictures of the out side and the inside of cooling ducts where are you located my plane is number 47 bought form alan & david Bell also esqual Dave wrote: .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px } BODY.hmmessage { FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma } Lightning should not need this? remember I have an Esqual that I could not gain altitude before overheating. Tried everything. Made about 6 of these deflectors till I felt I got it right. It has been on the plane closer to two years now with never never getting temps over 310 and under 300 in auto pilot. hope the photos help Dave McC ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin J. Kennedy To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Dave, I am having some difficulty understaanding your deflector. Would you please post a photo taken from slightly further away, in order to put everything in context? Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Guys I have on my Esqual a 2 inch deflector and have been running with it for over a year. I never have heating problems even while taxing. Have sent out photos of it to others who are also using it. Dave McC ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel DW To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:01 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Clive, we could add a lip on our cowling, made in alu. Danny --------------------------------- > Subject: FW: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:55:55 +0000 > From: clive.james@uk.bp.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Apologies I should have carried on reading the next few posts. Though my > comments still apply. > > Looking at the pictures of the Lightning ducts and my Esquals the size > difference is massive. > > Worth some 'liquid engineering' if there's space. > > Regards, Clive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > N1BZRich@aol.com > Sent: 21 February 2008 22:07 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos > > Danny, > Right after I sent the previous message I remembered where you could > see the lip on the Lightning's bottom cowl. Go to the Lightning news > web page http://www.arionaircraft.com/News.html, and scroll down to near > the bottom and look at the photos for 1/5/2006, Lightning Cowl > Finalized, and also 2/15/2005, Wheel and gear fairings set for trial. > Both of these set of photos show the lip or air dam. The idea is the > same as on a car. The air dam forces air down and thus creates a lower > pressure area under the bottom cowl. Hope this helps. > Buz > > > > ________________________________ > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL > Living. > s-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598> --------------------------------- Neem je vrienden overal mee dankzij Messenger op je gsm. Messenger voor Mobile href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:55:46 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos The lightning cowl does not need this mod. Even with the older solid lifter engine and different heads cooling the cylinders was not a problem. The new engines with more fins on the head ( all hydraulic lifter engines ) are even better. nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Lightning should not need this? remember I have an Esqual that I could not gain altitude before overheating. Tried everything. Made about 6 of these deflectors till I felt I got it right. It has been on the plane closer to two years now with never never getting temps over 310 and under 300 in auto pilot. hope the photos help Dave McC ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin J. Kennedy Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Dave, I am having some difficulty understaanding your deflector. Would you please post a photo taken from slightly further away, in order to put everything in context? Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Guys I have on my Esqual a 2 inch deflector and have been running with it for over a year. I never have heating problems even while taxing. Have sent out photos of it to others who are also using it. Dave McC ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel DW Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:01 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Clive, we could add a lip on our cowling, made in alu. Danny _____ > Subject: FW: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:55:55 +0000 > From: clive.james@uk.bp.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Apologies I should have carried on reading the next few posts. Though my > comments still apply. > > Looking at the pictures of the Lightning ducts and my Esquals the size > difference is massive. > > Worth some 'liquid engineering' if there's space. > > Regards, Clive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > N1BZRich@aol.com > Sent: 21 February 2008 22:07 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos > > Danny, > Right after I sent the previous message I remembered where you could > see the lip on the Lightning's bottom cowl. Go to the Lightning news > web page http://www.arionaircraft.com/News.html, and scroll down to near > the bottom and look at the photos for 1/5/2006, Lightning Cowl > Finalized, and also 2/15/2005, Wheel and gear fairings set for trial. > Both of these set of photos show the lip or air dam. The idea is the > same as on a car. The air dam forces air down and thus creates a lower > pressure area under the bottom cowl. Hope this helps. > Buz > > > > ________________________________ > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL > Living. > s-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598> _____ Neem je vrienden overal mee dankzij Messenger op je gsm. Messenger voor Mobile href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:36:49 PM PST US From: "Colin J. Kennedy" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Thanks Dave. I did not think the Lightning needed this, but I was interested to see what you had done with such good results. Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 7:49 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Lightning should not need this? remember I have an Esqual that I could not gain altitude before overheating. Tried everything. Made about 6 of these deflectors till I felt I got it right. It has been on the plane closer to two years now with never never getting temps over 310 and under 300 in auto pilot. hope the photos help Dave McC ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin J. Kennedy Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:51 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Dave, I am having some difficulty understaanding your deflector. Would you please post a photo taken from slightly further away, in order to put everything in context? Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2008 7:29 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Guys I have on my Esqual a 2 inch deflector and have been running with it for over a year. I never have heating problems even while taxing. Have sent out photos of it to others who are also using it. Dave McC ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel DW Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:01 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos Clive, we could add a lip on our cowling, made in alu. Danny _____ > Subject: FW: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos > Date: Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:55:55 +0000 > From: clive.james@uk.bp.com > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > > Apologies I should have carried on reading the next few posts. Though my > comments still apply. > > Looking at the pictures of the Lightning ducts and my Esquals the size > difference is massive. > > Worth some 'liquid engineering' if there's space. > > Regards, Clive > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > N1BZRich@aol.com > Sent: 21 February 2008 22:07 > To: lightning-list@matronics.com > Subject: Lightning-List: Lightning bottom cowl air dam photos > > Danny, > Right after I sent the previous message I remembered where you could > see the lip on the Lightning's bottom cowl. Go to the Lightning news > web page http://www.arionaircraft.com/News.html, and scroll down to near > the bottom and look at the photos for 1/5/2006, Lightning Cowl > Finalized, and also 2/15/2005, Wheel and gear fairings set for trial. > Both of these set of photos show the lip or air dam. The idea is the > same as on a car. The air dam forces air down and thus creates a lower > pressure area under the bottom cowl. Hope this helps. > Buz > > > > ________________________________ > > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL > Living. > s-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598> _____ Neem je vrienden overal mee dankzij Messenger op je gsm. 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