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Wed 02/27/08


Total Messages Posted: 14



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     1. 09:48 AM - MGL Odyssey in the new panel (Jim Langley)
     2. 09:50 AM - Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? (Charles Dewey)
     3. 10:12 AM - Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
     4. 11:32 AM - Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? (James, Clive R)
     5. 01:11 PM - Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? (Mark Stauffer)
     6. 02:36 PM - Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? (Brian Whittingham)
     7. 04:36 PM - Pre-test flight procedures (Jim Langley)
     8. 05:46 PM - Re: Pre-test flight procedures (N1BZRich@aol.com)
     9. 06:04 PM - Re: Pre-test flight procedures (N1BZRich@aol.com)
    10. 07:36 PM - Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? (EAFerguson@aol.com)
    11. 08:07 PM - Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? (Charles Dewey)
    12. 08:41 PM - Re: Pre-test flight procedures (Brian Whittingham)
    13. 08:45 PM - Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? (Larry Eubanks)
    14. 08:52 PM - Re: Pre-test flight procedures (Jim Langley)
 
 
 


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    Time: 09:48:37 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: MGL Odyssey in the new panel
    Just a heads up for any of you who are thinking about putting the MGL Avionics Odyssey in the new Lightning panel; it will not fit. Nor will the Composite Designs power panel either. If you want to use the MGL unit, they are getting ready to release a smaller version of the Odyssey called the Voyager. All the same functionality, but in a smaller package. Jim! www.jimslightning.com


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    Time: 09:50:58 AM PST US
    From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?
    We have been trying to get some of the canopy protectant sticker stuff off of my airplane but am having an incredibly hard time doing so. Some of it peeled right off, but some of it only comes off in tiny pieces, which akes an eternity to remove. Does anyone out there have any ideas? Most of it is off, but there is 15% still on the canopy that is proving impossible to take off. I was thinking of trying a solvent like non-alcohol Goof Off, but am afraid we might scratch the canopy. Anyone else had this problem? Charles --- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/24/2008 8:11:23 A.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > johnsdtn40@charter.net writes: > > Welding Steel to aluminum is tricky > > > John, > Linda is not talking about welding steel to > aluminum. She is talking > about welding the "steel" axle which fits inside > the "steel" lower gear leg > assembly, which then bolts onto the aluminum gear > leg. On the original set up > the axle bolts to the lower gear leg assembly (on > the inside or toward the > aircraft centerline) and may eventually ends up > with a slightly loose fit. I > put three small spot welds on the inside (toward > the aircraft centerline) where > the axle comes through the lower gear leg assembly. > I noticed that the axle > was slightly loose inside the lower gear leg > assemble at about the 350 hour > point and the spot welds took care of that. If I > ever need to replace an > axle for any reason the spot welds can be ground > off to remove the old axle. > Blue Skies, > Buz > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch > video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


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    Time: 10:12:19 AM PST US
    From: IFLYSMODEL@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?
    Hey Charles: If the canopy is made of Plexiglas, plain alcohol will remove the remains quite well and quickly without causing any damage. Lynn Nelsen Got one on order but do not have a number yet **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)


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    Time: 11:32:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?
    From: "James, Clive R" <clive.james@uk.bp.com>
    Brake cleaner maybe?, try it on a small corner first but my Esqual screen cleans with it nicely as does my Jabiru. Degreases anything. Still a bit messy but I got there. Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: 27 February 2008 17:48 Subject: Lightning-List: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? --> <cdewey6969@yahoo.com> We have been trying to get some of the canopy protectant sticker stuff off of my airplane but am having an incredibly hard time doing so. Some of it peeled right off, but some of it only comes off in tiny pieces, which akes an eternity to remove. Does anyone out there have any ideas? Most of it is off, but there is 15% still on the canopy that is proving impossible to take off. I was thinking of trying a solvent like non-alcohol Goof Off, but am afraid we might scratch the canopy. Anyone else had this problem? Charles --- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/24/2008 8:11:23 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > johnsdtn40@charter.net writes: > > Welding Steel to aluminum is tricky > > > John, > Linda is not talking about welding steel to aluminum. She is > talking about welding the "steel" axle which fits inside the "steel" > lower gear leg assembly, which then bolts onto the aluminum gear leg. > On the original set up the axle bolts to the lower gear leg assembly > (on the inside or toward the aircraft centerline) and may eventually > ends up with a slightly loose fit. I put three small spot welds on > the inside (toward the aircraft centerline) where the axle comes > through the lower gear leg assembly. > I noticed that the axle > was slightly loose inside the lower gear leg assemble at about the > 350 hour point and the spot welds took care of that. If I ever need > to replace an axle for any reason the spot welds can be ground off to > remove the old axle. > Blue Skies, > Buz > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch > video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campo s-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


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    Time: 01:11:52 PM PST US
    From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark@flylightning.net>
    Subject: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?
    Charles and other builders, The canopy protectant is called Spray-Lat. We've had issues in the past with the thickness of the Spray-Lat. The thinner that it's applied, the worse it is to get off. We have talked to Aircraft Windshields and they are now spraying it on much thicker. The only method we condone is taking it off little piece by little piece. Do not use a heat gun! Don't use any sharp objects! Don't ask us how we know! It's a giant pain but it's the only way we've found that works. On a side note you could always ask John Davis to come up and give you a hand. Have a great day! Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charles Dewey Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:48 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy? We have been trying to get some of the canopy protectant sticker stuff off of my airplane but am having an incredibly hard time doing so. Some of it peeled right off, but some of it only comes off in tiny pieces, which akes an eternity to remove. Does anyone out there have any ideas? Most of it is off, but there is 15% still on the canopy that is proving impossible to take off. I was thinking of trying a solvent like non-alcohol Goof Off, but am afraid we might scratch the canopy. Anyone else had this problem? Charles --- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 2/24/2008 8:11:23 A.M. Eastern > Standard Time, > johnsdtn40@charter.net writes: > > Welding Steel to aluminum is tricky > > > John, > Linda is not talking about welding steel to > aluminum. She is talking > about welding the "steel" axle which fits inside > the "steel" lower gear leg > assembly, which then bolts onto the aluminum gear > leg. On the original set up > the axle bolts to the lower gear leg assembly (on > the inside or toward the > aircraft centerline) and may eventually ends up > with a slightly loose fit. I > put three small spot welds on the inside (toward > the aircraft centerline) where > the axle comes through the lower gear leg assembly. > I noticed that the axle > was slightly loose inside the lower gear leg > assemble at about the 350 hour > point and the spot welds took care of that. If I > ever need to replace an > axle for any reason the spot welds can be ground > off to remove the old axle. > Blue Skies, > Buz > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch > video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs


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    Time: 02:36:11 PM PST US
    From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?
    Yes, that stufff is tough to remove. When flying Rick's plane during the f irst 40 hours there was some left above the canopy which was about the same area as some are painting the top of the canopy. I spent some of the time in flight peeling this stuff off. One little piece at a time. It does wo rk a little better when it's warm. Like Mark said, don't use a heat gun, b ut you can sit the plane out in the sun, let it get warm and then go to pee ling. It does take forever, but rest assured, it will eventually come off and you'll have a well protected canopy underneath! Brian W.> From: mark@f lylightning.net> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: Lightning-L ist: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?> Date: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 15: flylightning.net>> > Charles and other builders,> > The canopy protectant i s called Spray-Lat. We've had issues in the past with> the thickness of the Spray-Lat. The thinner that it's applied, the worse it> is to get off. We have talked to Aircraft Windshields and they are now> spraying it on much t hicker.> > The only method we condone is taking it off little piece by litt le piece. Do> not use a heat gun! Don't use any sharp objects! Don't ask us how we know!> It's a giant pain but it's the only way we've found that wor ks.> > On a side note you could always ask John Davis to come up and give y ou a> hand.> > Have a great day!> > Mark> > -----Original Message-----> Fro m: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-lightning-list- server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charles> Dewey> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:48 AM> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> Subject: Lightning-Li st: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?> > > --> Lightning-List mess age posted by: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>> > We have been trying to get some of the canopy> protectant sticker stuff off of my airplane but am> having an incredibly hard time doing so. Some of it> peeled right off, but some of it only comes off in> tiny pieces, which akes an eternity to re move. Does> anyone out there have any ideas? Most of it is off,> but there is 15% still on the canopy that is proving> impossible to take off. I was t hinking of trying a> solvent like non-alcohol Goof Off, but am afraid we> m ight scratch the canopy. Anyone else had this> problem?> Charles> > > > > > > > --- N1BZRich@aol.com wrote:> > >> > In a message dated 2/24/2008 8:11: 23 A.M. Eastern> > Standard Time,> > johnsdtn40@charter.net writes:> >> > W elding Steel to aluminum is tricky> >> >> > John,> > Linda is not talking a bout welding steel to> > aluminum. She is talking> > about welding the "ste el" axle which fits inside> > the "steel" lower gear leg> > assembly, which then bolts onto the aluminum gear> > leg. On the original set up> > the ax le bolts to the lower gear leg assembly (on> > the inside or toward the> > aircraft centerline) and may eventually ends up> > with a slightly loose fi t. I> > put three small spot welds on the inside (toward> > the aircraft ce nterline) where> > the axle comes through the lower gear leg assembly.> > I noticed that the axle> > was slightly loose inside the lower gear leg> > a ssemble at about the 350 hour> > point and the spot welds took care of that . If I> > ever need to replace an> > axle for any reason the spot welds can be ground> > off to remove the old axle.> > Blue Skies,> > Buz> >> >> >> > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch> > video on AOL Living.> >> (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-camp os-du> ffy/> > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)> >> > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page.> http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs> > > > > > > _ -======================== -======================== ==> > > _________________________________________________________________ Helping your favorite cause is as easy as instant messaging.-You IM, we g ive.


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    Time: 04:36:35 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Pre-test flight procedures
    Does anyone have an established set of procedures that apply to the Lightning (before) you fly the aircraft? Jim!


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    Time: 05:46:19 PM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Pre-test flight procedures
    In a message dated 2/27/2008 7:38:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pequeajim@gmail.com writes: Does anyone have an established set of procedures that apply to the Lightning (before) you fly the aircraft? Hi **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)


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    Time: 06:04:08 PM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Pre-test flight procedures
    In a message dated 2/27/2008 7:38:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pequeajim@gmail.com writes: Does anyone have an established set of procedures that apply to the Lightning (before) you fly the aircraft? Hi Jim, I would make a couple of recommendations to answer your question and add some suggestions for when you start phase 1 test flying. First, take a look at the following FAA publications: FAR 21, FAR 91, and especially FAA Advisory Circular 90-89A. Second, get in touch with an EAA Flight Advisor and have him work with you (might even get you an insurance discount). He will have a flight advisor handbook that will spell out things to look at before the first flight and for the first flight (to include specific check lists). If you can't find one near you, I can work with you via e-mails and phone calls. I have done that with quite a few folks for their first flights. Will you be making the initial fight yourself? One other thing, at the Lightning open house last September I presented a program (power point) on test flying your homebuilt aircraft. I left a file of that with the guys at SYI, plus they have the specific test program I used for 31BZ that breaks down the 40 hours into five different phases with step by step objectives for the entire 40 hours. I can send both if you are interested. Heck, I might even publish the test program I developed for 31BZ in a future issue of the Lightning newsletter. Blue Skies, Buz **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)


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    Time: 07:36:05 PM PST US
    From: EAFerguson@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?
    Charles, Use short quick tugs rather than steady pulls. Good luck, Earl Ferguson **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)


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    Time: 08:07:32 PM PST US
    From: Charles Dewey <cdewey6969@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?
    Earl- We tried that; it is on so skimpily that that is not even remotely possible. I think it will take us at least another 25 hours of one man sitting there picking at it. Charles --- EAFerguson@aol.com wrote: > Charles, > > Use short quick tugs rather than steady pulls. > > Good luck, > > Earl Ferguson > > > > > **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch > video on AOL Living. > (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ > 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598) > Looking for last minute shopping deals?


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    Time: 08:41:23 PM PST US
    From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Pre-test flight procedures
    There's a good book for developing a flight test plan that is a cheap buy. It's called "Flight testing Homebuilt Aircraft" or something similar, by V on Askue. There's also one with a similar name by Hubert "Skip" Smith, a p rofessor at Penn State. It will show you how to fairly accurately get all your performance numbers. It is made for the non-engineer type and is easy to understand. Skip was also worried about keeping a medical and was inte rested in purchasing a LS compliant Lightning last time that I talked to hi m! You should be able to pick up both of those books for about $25 total. There's also one by Ralph Kimberlin, a professor at the University of TN S pace Institute (located near SYI!) that I'd recommend if you are an enginee r and if you want to get the most accurate results possible. It was writte n by and for professional test pilots. This book goes a lot into the theor y, into data reduction methods, possible methods, etc. It is a college boo k though and it will set you back accordingly. Buz has already posted all the additional info. I made my flight test plan , in part, based on Buz's plan. His came from referencing his previously c ited sources. It is what the FAA recommends and it has worked for a lot of people over the years. Brian W. From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Wed, 27 Feb 2008 21:00:52 -0500Subject: Re: Lig htning-List: Pre-test flight proceduresTo: lightning-list@matronics.com In a message dated 2/27/2008 7:38:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pequeajim@ gmail.com writes: Does anyone have an established set of procedures that apply to the Lightni ng (before) you fly the aircraft? Hi Jim, I would make a couple of recommendations to answer your question and ad d some suggestions for when you start phase 1 test flying. First, take a l ook at the following FAA publications: FAR 21, FAR 91, and especially FAA Advisory Circular 90-89A. Second, get in touch with an EAA Flight Advisor and have him work with you (might even get you an insurance discount). He will have a flight advisor handbook that will spell out things to look at b efore the first flight and for the first flight (to include specific check lists). If you can't find one near you, I can work with you via e-mails an d phone calls. I have done that with quite a few folks for their first fli ghts. Will you be making the initial fight yourself? One other thing, at the Lightning open house last September I presented a program (power point) on test flying your homebuilt aircraft. I left a file of that with the guys at SYI, plus they have the specific test program I used for 31BZ that breaks down the 40 hours into five different phases w ith step by step objectives for the entire 40 hours. I can send both if yo u are interested. Heck, I might even publish the test program I developed for 31BZ in a future issue of the Lightning newsletter. Blue Skies, Buz Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Livin g. _________________________________________________________________ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your Hotmail=AE-get yo ur "fix". http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx


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    Time: 08:45:26 PM PST US
    From: "Larry Eubanks" <leubanks@sunflower.com>
    Subject: Removing sticky sticker stuff from canopy?
    Try using some duct tape to pull it with. Stick the tape to the spraylat first, then pull the tape away to see if the spraylat comes off too. Larry --


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    Time: 08:52:52 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Pre-test flight procedures
    Thanks Brian, and Buz. From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Whittingham Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Pre-test flight procedures There's a good book for developing a flight test plan that is a cheap buy. It's called "Flight testing Homebuilt Aircraft" or something similar, by Von Askue. There's also one with a similar name by Hubert "Skip" Smith, a professor at Penn State. It will show you how to fairly accurately get all your performance numbers. It is made for the non-engineer type and is easy to understand. Skip was also worried about keeping a medical and was interested in purchasing a LS compliant Lightning last time that I talked to him! You should be able to pick up both of those books for about $25 total. There's also one by Ralph Kimberlin, a professor at the University of TN Space Institute (located near SYI!) that I'd recommend if you are an engineer and if you want to get the most accurate results possible. It was written by and for professional test pilots. This book goes a lot into the theory, into data reduction methods, possible methods, etc. It is a college book though and it will set you back accordingly. Buz has already posted all the additional info. I made my flight test plan, in part, based on Buz's plan. His came from referencing his previously cited sources. It is what the FAA recommends and it has worked for a lot of people over the years. Brian W. _____ From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Pre-test flight procedures In a message dated 2/27/2008 7:38:21 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, pequeajim@gmail.com writes: Does anyone have an established set of procedures that apply to the Lightning (before) you fly the aircraft? Hi Jim, I would make a couple of recommendations to answer your question and add some suggestions for when you start phase 1 test flying. First, take a look at the following FAA publications: FAR 21, FAR 91, and especially FAA Advisory Circular 90-89A. Second, get in touch with an EAA Flight Advisor and have him work with you (might even get you an insurance discount). He will have a flight advisor handbook that will spell out things to look at before the first flight and for the first flight (to include specific check lists). If you can't find one near you, I can work with you via e-mails and phone calls. I have done that with quite a few folks for their first flights. Will you be making the initial fight yourself? One other thing, at the Lightning open house last September I presented a program (power point) on test flying your homebuilt aircraft. I left a file of that with the guys at SYI, plus they have the specific test program I used for 31BZ that breaks down the 40 hours into five different phases with step by step objectives for the entire 40 hours. I can send both if you are interested. Heck, I might even publish the test program I developed for 31BZ in a future issue of the Lightning newsletter. Blue Skies, Buz _____ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598> the video on AOL Living. " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ Need to know the score, the latest news, or you need your HotmailR-get your "fix". Check it out. <http://www.msnmobilefix.com/Default.aspx>




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