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Sun 03/02/08


Total Messages Posted: 10



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     1. 04:25 AM - Re: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
     2. 06:33 AM - Re: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff (Jerry Van Heeswyk)
     3. 07:00 AM - Re: Looking for new canopy photos (Mark Stauffer)
     4. 07:37 AM - Re: Fuel tank calibration (EAFerguson@aol.com)
     5. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank calibration (Jerry Van Heeswyk)
     6. 10:07 AM - Fuel probe calibration and EIS set up (Mark Stauffer)
     7. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Fuel tank calibration (Colin J. Kennedy)
     8. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank calibration (N1BZRich@aol.com)
     9. 06:27 PM - Re: Fuel probe calibration and EIS set up (Jerry Van Heeswyk)
    10. 06:54 PM - Re: Re: Fuel tank calibration (Johnny Thompson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:25:18 AM PST US
    From: "JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS" <lbmathias@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff
    Jerry, The procedure is attached; there are some error codes which are indicated by light patterns. If someone will fax you the page, those may also be helpful but you probably don't need them right away. Good luck with the recalibration; I had trouble getting mine done also. It's very difficult to see the lights; Mark Stauffer at SYI was able to complete it when we visited for the reunion last September. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Van Heeswyk To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Linda, thanks very much for helping me out. Yes, I do have the two point model of the sending units. I hope this is not too much trouble. I'll be watching my reader. Thanks again, Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Jerry, I don't have a fax machine but I will send you the instructions in an email; please confirm that you have the 2-point model because the calibration is different for the 2-point and the 5-point. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Van Heeswyk To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Yes, Buz, my sending units are of the capacitance type. I built my airplane in Greg Hobbs building, and he helped me program the sending units as I was filling the tanks for the first time. Greg had a set of instructions at that time, but can not locate them now. I drained the tanks and attempted to recalibrate from memory (which, I acknowledge, is very unreliable). I also attempted to find a set of calibration instructions on the web, and was unsuccessful. I believe the units are sold by Princeton Electronics, but my web search only turned up retailers, who wanted to sell me computer parts. If anyone knows of a valid web page for the documentation, or might have a set of documentation they can email or FAX me, I would be very appreciative. I am pretty certain this was a self-induced problem, and hope it can be easily resolved. Thanks, Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Jerry, I will give a short answer now and some more thoughts later when I have more time. But first I will make an assumption that the fuel quantity sending units you are using are the capacitance type as supplied with the kit. If that is the case, did you calibrate them the first time you put fuel in the tanks? Unfortunately, my airplane has the old type "float" sending units which are no where as accurate as the capacitance type once you calibrate them. The calibrating steps should be spelled out with the papers that come with the units, but as I recall from watching that procedure several times, it is critical that you do the steps in the proper order to get the capacitance sending units to work properly. If you did not calibrate them you will probably have to have the tanks empty to do that correctly - and that can be fun when you intentionally run a tank dry in the air. I will explain later, but the engine sound is, well, very quite. Got to run for now, Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 06:33:12 AM PST US
    From: "Jerry Van Heeswyk" <vanheeswyk@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff
    Thanks you very much, Linda. The procedure you sent sounds very much like the one I tried (but failed). It is possible that I did not hold the button long enough to establish the 'empty' set point. I'll give this a try, and then contact Mark, if it fails again. It is good to know that he is the subject matter expert. Thanks again, Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:22 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Jerry, The procedure is attached; there are some error codes which are indicated by light patterns. If someone will fax you the page, those may also be helpful but you probably don't need them right away. Good luck with the recalibration; I had trouble getting mine done also. It's very difficult to see the lights; Mark Stauffer at SYI was able to complete it when we visited for the reunion last September. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Van Heeswyk To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Linda, thanks very much for helping me out. Yes, I do have the two point model of the sending units. I hope this is not too much trouble. I'll be watching my reader. Thanks again, Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:15 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Jerry, I don't have a fax machine but I will send you the instructions in an email; please confirm that you have the 2-point model because the calibration is different for the 2-point and the 5-point. Linda ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry Van Heeswyk To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Yes, Buz, my sending units are of the capacitance type. I built my airplane in Greg Hobbs building, and he helped me program the sending units as I was filling the tanks for the first time. Greg had a set of instructions at that time, but can not locate them now. I drained the tanks and attempted to recalibrate from memory (which, I acknowledge, is very unreliable). I also attempted to find a set of calibration instructions on the web, and was unsuccessful. I believe the units are sold by Princeton Electronics, but my web search only turned up retailers, who wanted to sell me computer parts. If anyone knows of a valid web page for the documentation, or might have a set of documentation they can email or FAX me, I would be very appreciative. I am pretty certain this was a self-induced problem, and hope it can be easily resolved. Thanks, Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:28 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Jerry, I will give a short answer now and some more thoughts later when I have more time. But first I will make an assumption that the fuel quantity sending units you are using are the capacitance type as supplied with the kit. If that is the case, did you calibrate them the first time you put fuel in the tanks? Unfortunately, my airplane has the old type "float" sending units which are no where as accurate as the capacitance type once you calibrate them. The calibrating steps should be spelled out with the papers that come with the units, but as I recall from watching that procedure several times, it is critical that you do the steps in the proper order to get the capacitance sending units to work properly. If you did not calibrate them you will probably have to have the tanks empty to do that correctly - and that can be fun when you intentionally run a tank dry in the air. I will explain later, but the engine sound is, well, very quite. Got to run for now, Buz ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 07:00:08 AM PST US
    From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer1@gmail.com>
    Subject: Looking for new canopy photos
    Jim, We are waiting on the weld shop to send us the first one. As soon as we get it installed we'll send a couple of pictures to the group. Have a great day! Mark -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Rv7flyer Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: Lightning-List: Looking for new canopy photos I want to see the design of the new style canopy latch. Does anyone have a set of photos? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=166979#166979


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    Time: 07:37:34 AM PST US
    From: EAFerguson@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank calibration
    Jerry, What lights do you get when calibrating? I had a bad sending unit that we had to replace (OK, Nick replaced it, I just watched). That unit had flashing lights to indicate a fault. Earl N17EF **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)


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    Time: 08:02:02 AM PST US
    From: "Jerry Van Heeswyk" <vanheeswyk@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank calibration
    Earl, I'll have to make note the next time I am at the airport. It seemed that one sensor showed normal lights, and the other didn't. Linda suggested I try to obtain a copy of the documentation with the light error patterns defined, but have not been able to do so yet. If anyone can scan and send, or FAX, I would appreciate it. It would be necessary to call first (520-749-5010), so that I can turn on the FAX machine. The last thing in the world I would want to do is replace a sensor. It sounds like a big job to pull the wing, and find a way to 'unglue' it without damaging anything. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: EAFerguson@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Fuel tank calibration Jerry, What lights do you get when calibrating? I had a bad sending unit that we had to replace (OK, Nick replaced it, I just watched). That unit had flashing lights to indicate a fault. Earl N17EF ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.


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    Time: 10:07:50 AM PST US
    From: "Mark Stauffer" <mark.stauffer1@gmail.com>
    Subject: Fuel probe calibration and EIS set up
    Jerry, It sounds as though the EIS unit is not set up correctly. I can't remember the page/category from memory but the 1SF(?) and 2SF(?) numbers are set to 55, not 100 which the default setting. Before recalibrating again check this setting. Call me Monday morning and I can give you the correct page/category. As for the 201 the decimal point is missing for that aux input. I can't remember if there is a fix for that or not. You may have to call GRT for that one. It sounds as though you wired the units correctly. Hope this helps. Have a great day! Mark From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Heeswyk Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Buz, and other fellow builders. I have a problem I have not run across in my two years of semi-lurking on this site. This is either really strange, or I was doing the installation too late at night. My fuel gauges (Grand Rapids EIS driven by Princeton sending units) do not work properly. I was not too concerned on the initial flights because they were short, and I always visually check fuel during pre-flight. However, as my flight testing proceeds, I am planning longer flights. It is really comforting to know you have enough fuel to get you home. Here's the problem - My fuel levels are expected to display on the EIS AUX1 and AUX2 screens. The EIS is configured to show 11 gallons when the tanks are full, and show empty when they reach 2 gallons. Instead, they show 19.5 in the left tank, and 201 in the right tank (I have only checked them with full tanks). I guess the good news is that they are so far off, I know they are wrong. If they were just off by a little, it might get me into trouble. I have reconfigured the sending units twice, and the EIS several times. No change. I did not have instructions when I installed and wired the sending units, but it seemed pretty intuitive. There are three wires; black, red, and yellow. I wired red to +12vdc, black to ground, and assumed yellow must be the signal wire to the EIS. Any ideas out there in Lightning-Land? Was I brain-dead when I did the install, or just really unlucky? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Jim and Jerry, I appreciate the kind words of support. I am just trying to "give back" to aviation because it has meant so much to me for the last forty some years that I have had my tickets. So if I think I have something in my "clue bag" or my "bag of tricks" that might be useful to others, I will gladly share it. Although flying fighters in the Air Force for 28 years provided my "pay check", it was also a love; but I never did tell them that I would have gladly done it for free. And the entire time I was flying in the USAF, on the weekends I would be at the local small airport flying general and/or sport aviation airplanes. Heck, I built the Pitts while I was instructing in the F-4 at Luke and flew it for the next 29 years. Since 1974 I have been continuously active in EAA. When I happened onto the SYI group some years ago, I had an immediate feeling that they were onto something great. They were all EAA members and were striving to help others achieve their aviation dreams. What could be better than that. It really is a great story. I think that in the next issue of the Lightning Newsletter I might share some of the early Esqual / Lightning history - kind of "how it all started" and "how they got to where they are today". Heck, if you really want to look at things from a historic stand point, all of you current Lightning owners and builders are part of the "history of the Lightning". And to that end, I would ask all of you to send something directly to me to share in the newsletter. Such things as how you decided on the Lightning, how the build went, and your thoughts after flying your "self created aerial art piece". Help me out here, I need some ammo for upcoming issues of the newsletter. Blue Skies, Buz _____ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-du ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598> the video on AOL Living. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 10:23:06 AM PST US
    From: "Colin J. Kennedy" <cjk129@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank calibration
    Jerry, I have scanned the instructions, with light patterns for you. I cannot post it to the list, but if you or anyone else wants to send me their email address, I will send it to you direct. Now if someone would just drop by and pop in my spar bolts for me, I would be very grateful :-) Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Heeswyk Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:59 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Fuel tank calibration Earl, I'll have to make note the next time I am at the airport. It seemed that one sensor showed normal lights, and the other didn't. Linda suggested I try to obtain a copy of the documentation with the light error patterns defined, but have not been able to do so yet. If anyone can scan and send, or FAX, I would appreciate it. It would be necessary to call first (520-749-5010), so that I can turn on the FAX machine. The last thing in the world I would want to do is replace a sensor. It sounds like a big job to pull the wing, and find a way to 'unglue' it without damaging anything. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: EAFerguson@aol.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Fuel tank calibration Jerry, What lights do you get when calibrating? I had a bad sending unit that we had to replace (OK, Nick replaced it, I just watched). That unit had flashing lights to indicate a fault. Earl N17EF _____ Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. <http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos -du ffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 03:23:54 PM PST US
    From: N1BZRich@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank calibration
    All, It is good to see so many inputs to Jerry's original question about his fuel quantity system. That is one of the major reason for having a list like this - helping each other and developing a useful flow of information. As long as we are talking about the fuel quantity system let me add a few thoughts that may be of help in the future. First, when you fill your tanks for the first time I would highly recommend you take that opportunity to "build" yourself a fuel quantity "dip stick" for future use. I suggest a dowel that is about 12 inches long and "calibrate" one end for the right tank and the other end for the left tank. When I made mine, I had the fuel truck put in 3 gallons then dipped the stick and before the wet mark evaporates, mark the stick with a permanent ink. Continue at 3 gallon intervals until you have both sides calibrated and marked on each end of the stick. Be sure to mark which end of the stick is for the left tank and which end for the right. Now you will have an accurate way to "stick" your tanks to see how much fuel you have in each side before a flight. I am sure you all can see why this would be a good "tool" to have with you at all times. Second, I really like having the Grand Rapids fuel flow measurement system on my airplane. With the Grand Rapids EIS and EFIS showing fuel flow from the fuel flow transmitter, in effect gives you a second (and totally independent) fuel quantity system. Any time you fill your tanks, tell the EIS how much total fuel you have on board (or how many gallons you added) and the EIS and EFIS will count down from that number based on the fuel flow you are showing and therefore give you a second reading of how much fuel you have on board. On my airplane this is so much more accurate than my standard float type fuel quantity measurement system. I can accurately tell the fuel truck within a tenth or so how many gallons it will take to top off my tanks. Third, one benefit of having a fuel flow system is that it really makes data gathering for your performance charts that show fuel flow so easy. But another really good reason to install a fuel flow is that if you ever have to run a tank dry while flying, for any reason, such as needing to re-calibrate your fuel measurement system, it will greatly take away the "pucker" factor. Let me explain. Before I installed the fuel flow system, I had to run my tanks dry several times to re-calibrate to get my fuel quantity system more accurate. Now I have often run tanks dry in my previous airplanes when on long cross countries in order to know how much fuel I had and in which tank I had that fuel, so no big deal. You know about when the tanks is going to run dry so you are listing for the engine to start to miss and the instant it does, you switch tanks and maybe even turn on the electric fuel pump for a while. As I said, no big deal. Well that is not how it happens when you run a tank dry with a Jabiru 3300. One second everything is normal, the next second the engine stops - no missing for a few seconds, just completely quiet, and that gets your attention even though you are expecting it. As soon as you switch tanks the engine starts again within a few seconds, but there is that immediate "startle" factor when it happens. Adding a fuel flow system took away took away this "startle" factor. What now happens is as the tank starts to run dry the fuel line gets some bubbles in it and the fuel flow transmitter sees these bubbles as an increase in fuel flow and turns on the red caution light and the fuel flow too high caution light. Of course you have to set your EIS so it knows what fuel flow is too high. As soon as this red light for high fuel flow comes on, switch tanks and the engine never misses a beat. Now, running a tank dry is once again no big deal. Just switch tanks when the fuel flow too high and red light comes on. The tank will be dry and your engine will not have missed a beat. So to my way of thinking, having a fuel flow added to your system is money well spent. It is one more piece of information you have and gives you a "completely independent fuel quantity system". And the fuel dip stick is certainly a cheap tool that is very useful. Blue Skies, Buz **************Ideas to please picky eaters. Watch video on AOL Living. (http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/ 2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598)


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    Time: 06:27:35 PM PST US
    From: "Jerry Van Heeswyk" <vanheeswyk@cox.net>
    Subject: Re: Fuel probe calibration and EIS set up
    Many thanks to all those who offered advice and information. Linda, Buz, Colin, you were all so very helpful, and your support is highly appreciated. Mark, I think you hit the nail on the head, but I may have had two problems. The SF1 and SF2 settings were both 100. When I reduced them to 55, per your advice, the left tank now reads 10.8 (it is nearly full), and the right tank reads 109. It sure sounds as if a decimal is missing from the AUX2 readout. I attempted to recalibrate the RH sensor, but ran into problems. The lights show that it enters calibration mode (right and left lights solid, and center light blinking), but the left light never flashes to indicate 'empty'. The center light blinks every 3 or 4 seconds, and additional pushes on the button have no affect. I didn't think to check the gauge when the tank was empty to see if it read a believable number - less the decimal point, of course. I'll have to try this on my next visit to the airport. Anyway, I am making progress, and probably need to contact Grand Rapids to enquire about the missing decimal. Thanks again, everyone for your help. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Stauffer To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:04 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Fuel probe calibration and EIS set up Jerry, It sounds as though the EIS unit is not set up correctly. I can't remember the page/category from memory but the 1SF(?) and 2SF(?) numbers are set to 55, not 100 which the default setting. Before recalibrating again check this setting. Call me Monday morning and I can give you the correct page/category. As for the 201 the decimal point is missing for that aux input. I can't remember if there is a fix for that or not. You may have to call GRT for that one. It sounds as though you wired the units correctly. Hope this helps. Have a great day! Mark From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Heeswyk Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:38 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Buz, and other fellow builders. I have a problem I have not run across in my two years of semi-lurking on this site. This is either really strange, or I was doing the installation too late at night. My fuel gauges (Grand Rapids EIS driven by Princeton sending units) do not work properly. I was not too concerned on the initial flights because they were short, and I always visually check fuel during pre-flight. However, as my flight testing proceeds, I am planning longer flights. It is really comforting to know you have enough fuel to get you home. Here's the problem - My fuel levels are expected to display on the EIS AUX1 and AUX2 screens. The EIS is configured to show 11 gallons when the tanks are full, and show empty when they reach 2 gallons. Instead, they show 19.5 in the left tank, and 201 in the right tank (I have only checked them with full tanks). I guess the good news is that they are so far off, I know they are wrong. If they were just off by a little, it might get me into trouble. I have reconfigured the sending units twice, and the EIS several times. No change. I did not have instructions when I installed and wired the sending units, but it seemed pretty intuitive. There are three wires; black, red, and yellow. I wired red to +12vdc, black to ground, and assumed yellow must be the signal wire to the EIS. Any ideas out there in Lightning-Land? Was I brain-dead when I did the install, or just really unlucky? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 8:05 PM Subject: Lightning-List: thanks for kind words, plus plea for newsletter stuff Jim and Jerry, I appreciate the kind words of support. I am just trying to "give back" to aviation because it has meant so much to me for the last forty some years that I have had my tickets. So if I think I have something in my "clue bag" or my "bag of tricks" that might be useful to others, I will gladly share it. Although flying fighters in the Air Force for 28 years provided my "pay check", it was also a love; but I never did tell them that I would have gladly done it for free. And the entire time I was flying in the USAF, on the weekends I would be at the local small airport flying general and/or sport aviation airplanes. Heck, I built the Pitts while I was instructing in the F-4 at Luke and flew it for the next 29 years. Since 1974 I have been continuously active in EAA. When I happened onto the SYI group some years ago, I had an immediate feeling that they were onto something great. They were all EAA members and were striving to help others achieve their aviation dreams. What could be better than that. It really is a great story. I think that in the next issue of the Lightning Newsletter I might share some of the early Esqual / Lightning history - kind of "how it all started" and "how they got to where they are today". Heck, if you really want to look at things from a historic stand point, all of you current Lightning owners and builders are part of the "history of the Lightning". And to that end, I would ask all of you to send something directly to me to share in the newsletter. Such things as how you decided on the Lightning, how the build went, and your thoughts after flying your "self created aerial art piece". Help me out here, I need some ammo for upcoming issues of the newsletter. 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    From: "Johnny Thompson" <14az@mysprocketmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Fuel tank calibration
    MessageColin. Please send me the me the light patterns also. I would like to start my fueling tomorrow. Johnny Thompson 14az@mysprocketmail.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Colin J. Kennedy To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 11:18 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Fuel tank calibration Jerry, I have scanned the instructions, with light patterns for you. I cannot post it to the list, but if you or anyone else wants to send me their email address, I will send it to you direct. Now if someone would just drop by and pop in my spar bolts for me, I would be very grateful :-) Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Van Heeswyk Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 9:59 AM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Fuel tank calibration Earl, I'll have to make note the next time I am at the airport. It seemed that one sensor showed normal lights, and the other didn't. Linda suggested I try to obtain a copy of the documentation with the light error patterns defined, but have not been able to do so yet. If anyone can scan and send, or FAX, I would appreciate it. It would be necessary to call first (520-749-5010), so that I can turn on the FAX machine. The last thing in the world I would want to do is replace a sensor. It sounds like a big job to pull the wing, and find a way to 'unglue' it without damaging anything. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: EAFerguson@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Fuel tank calibration Jerry, What lights do you get when calibrating? I had a bad sending unit that we had to replace (OK, Nick replaced it, I just watched). That unit had flashing lights to indicate a fault. Earl N17EF ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c




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