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1. 05:33 AM - Re: New trim system and pitch stability... (Dave)
2. 07:05 AM - Re: fun-n-sun (Hugh Sontag)
3. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (Pete)
4. 08:55 AM - FW: Re: Arion www site down why? (Pete)
5. 09:06 AM - Re: fun-n-sun (N1BZRich@aol.com)
6. 09:16 AM - Re: FW: Re: Arion www site down why? (Charles Dewey)
7. 09:18 AM - Re: fun-n-sun (N1BZRich@aol.com)
8. 09:29 AM - Re: FW: Re: Arion www site down why? (N1BZRich@aol.com)
9. 09:45 AM - Re: fun-n-sun (Hugh Sontag)
10. 12:22 PM - Lightning Dealers (N1BZRich@aol.com)
11. 12:30 PM - Lightning builders and flyers (N1BZRich@aol.com)
12. 01:50 PM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (Steven Sundquist)
13. 01:58 PM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (IFLYSMODEL@aol.com)
14. 03:02 PM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (flylightning)
15. 03:02 PM - Re: New trim system and pitch stability... (flylightning)
16. 03:05 PM - Re: Re: Arion www site down why? (sttwig@wabroadband.com)
17. 04:39 PM - bagage area (Tex Mantell)
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| Subject: | Re: New trim system and pitch stability... |
Nick
The trim sounds great, it is nice to counter the force at the source
rather than through hinges and controls. In cold Mn. the bungee will
stay "frozen" or extended and be useless.
will it fit the Esqual, if so I want one
Thanks Nick
Dave Mc
----- Original Message -----
From: flylightning
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New trim system and pitch stability...
Jim,
I guess it is the type of builder you are. It will be a tab added o
the rear of the elevator ,but when finished does not look bad at all, if
one wanted you could make it flush using the same dimensions that the
tab we are providing is..The hole is in the bottom of the elevator and
about 3.5 by 3.5 and than make a flush cover for it...
Nick
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim
Langley
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:34 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New trim system and pitch stability...
Great news Nick!
Just a few questions that some other people may have also.
1. If this is an internally mounted servo, then how big a hole
will I need to cut in the elevator half to mount the servo, and for
pushrod clearance? My elevators and stab are already painted, but this
can still be done.
2. If a hole is cut, is it from the bottom side?
3. The actual trim tab; is it added to, or cut from the elevator
training edge?
Thanks again for presenting us with some nice options.
Jim!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick
otterback
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:58 AM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Lightning-List: New trim system and pitch stability...
To the Group,
Arion Aircraft has finished flight testing of the servo driven trim
tab in the elevator, more of a conventional trim system. Results were
with out a doubt outstanding and worth the effort.
We have had some comments that the aircraft was responsive in pitch
and or lacked the ability to be properly trimmed. The bungee trim system
was designed to be simple to build and to trim off control pressures in
flight, it also did good job of trimming airspeed although not always
accurate due to the set up of the bungees. We have designed a servo
operated trim tab internally mounted in the elevator. Using a ray allen
servo and small push rod to drive a tab. I will run thru the results for
one or two of the airspeeds selected. We did a full range of testing
from 70mph up to 150mph IAS. The test were done in 10mph increments and
the same tests were run at each airspeed.
For a trimmed airspeed of 110 mph IAS hands off flight. If a pull was
initiated to 15 degrees above the horizon and power remained the same,
than the stick released , the aircraft would start to decelerate to 100
pitch over and continue to 110 mph, after 15 seconds or so and a few
pitch oscillations the aircraft would continue at 110 mph IAS hands off
as when started.
If at 110 mph IAS and a push of 15 degrees nose down was initiated
with the power constant and the stick released, the aircraft would
accelerate some to 120 or so and begin a pitch up, again after a few
oscillation the aircraft would regain the trimmed speed and continue
hands off on its way.
When trimmed for 110 mph IAS and a reduction in power made, the
aircraft will pitch down accelerate to 120 or so than begin to pitch
back to 110, after a 15 sec or so the aircraft will find 110 mph IAS but
in a glide as expected.
When trimmed for 110 mph IAS and power is applied, the aircraft will
begin a pitch up slowing to around 100 mph IAS before the nose drops to
around 110 and the aircraft continues in a climb at 110 mph IAS.
At higher airspeeds than 110 the aircraft did show all the same
results except that the correcting tendency was a bit slower but did
happen as described above and always came back to its trimmed
configuration.
At speeds slower than 110 the recovery of the aircraft was quicker in
all cases.
.
If trimmed for 110 mph IAS, any airspeed higher than 110 mph IAS
required and push of the stick to hold that airspeed, for 10 above it
was about 3 lbs stick force and 20 above about 5-7 lbs.
Any airspeed slower than 110mph IAS required a pull to maintain, speed
of 10 or less were 3-5lbs stick force and speeds as slow as 30 less than
trimmed requires 7-10lbs stick force.
Again this was performed at all airspeeds with the same results.
All airspeeds in the range were tested in the same manner as well as
different flight configurations with the same results as above.
As some know from reading this list and those few who have flown the
prototype aircraft, know the pitch forces to be light in that aircraft,
the removal of the bungee system has increased the pitch force required
in this aircraft by 3lbs per g or so..this means that this stick feel Is
heavier and the aircraft less sensitive in pitch than before. I would
expect the same results with the kits as well.
The bungees as well as providing control pressure trim did give some
stick assist if you will that caused the aircraft to feel more sensitive
than it is and less stable than it actually is. The new trim gives good
positive feed back and controls pressures.
The end result of the new trim systems is that the aircraft is much
easier to trim, It will hold a trimmed airspeed much better and will be
easier to fly on long cross countries.
The pitch stability of the aircraft is positive both stick free and
stick fixed at all airspeeds. It shows good recovery tendency back to a
trimmed speed after a disruption in angle of attack, power, stick
placement, ect
These tendencies were always inherent, the prototype does not have the
longer motor mount, the pitch geometry is not changed ( although if it
was would only heavy up the stick pressures not change these results)
and is certainly at an aft CG situation for flight testing. A CG
movement forward will only increase its ability to self correct or hold
a trimmed airspeed. In other words the aircraft was flown in the worst
condition it could be and showed positive results.
The good flying qualities of the lightning with the bungee trim have
only been improved upon by the use of this more conventional trim system
making it even more a joy to fly...and believe me I had some fun while I
was up there!
We are currently fitting the system to our 2008 demo and this will be
at Sun N Fun 08 for demos. The system is retrofit table to any lightning
current or in progress.
We also will be working on a price for the kit. Those who are building
the aircraft and have not flown, we will be working out an exchange for
the old trim motor as credit for the new trim kit if wanted, as it is
also the flap motor and can be used in other installations, this is only
if the motor is new and in unused condition and has not been flown..
I am sure that many question will arise and some more about the flight
testing done, please post comments or email me or the group directly as
to any questions you have...
Nick Otterback
Research and Development
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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I camped at the Lakeland, FL airport last year. It's less than 5
miles from the main venue, a shuttle bus was available to take us to
Sun N Fun, and the grass runway is 3500' long.
Hugh Sontag
>I plan to attend this April and would like info on places to stay or
>if anyone is looking for a room-mate. Also any ideas on lodging for
>show including camping onsite. Please contact me with any
>information. I am a fairly new esqual owner since October 2007.
>Thanks, Allan
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
Hi All,
The www.flylightning.net <http://www.flylightning.net/> site is now back up
and running at 100% (I think). Our email should now be working as well. If
you sent us email in the last 48 hours please send it again.
If you find any problems with the web site please let me know right away.
Pete Krotje
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Arion www site down why?
All,
I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of web hosting companies.
We decided to change to the new one because we plan on upgrading the
flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be working with (the one
currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has his own web hosting
business. Our old provider is proving difficult to work with to allow us to
get the job done. Net result is that it will take another day to get it all
together.
Please be patient.
Pete Krotje
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
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From: Pete [mailto:pete@flylightning.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Arion www site down why?
Hi All,
The www.flylightning.net <http://www.flylightning.net/> site is now back up
and running at 100% (I think). Our email should now be working as well. If
you sent us email in the last 48 hours please send it again.
If you find any problems with the web site please let me know right away.
Pete Krotje
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Arion www site down why?
All,
I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of web hosting companies.
We decided to change to the new one because we plan on upgrading the
flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be working with (the one
currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has his own web hosting
business. Our old provider is proving difficult to work with to allow us to
get the job done. Net result is that it will take another day to get it all
together.
Please be patient.
Pete Krotje
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In a message dated 3/5/2008 10:07:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
flying@qdea.com writes:
I camped at the Lakeland, FL airport last year. It's less than 5
miles from the main venue, a shuttle bus was available to take us to
Sun N Fun,
Just to prevent possible confusion to someone that has not flown to
Sun-N-Fun before, I think Hugh must be talking about South Lakeland airport (X49)
which is about 5 miles south of Lakeland Airport (LAL) where Sun-N-Fun is held.
There is both "store bought" airplane and "show plane" camping at LAL during
the show. Homebuilt aircraft camping is actually a little south of the main
Vintage aircraft camping area. There is no camping in the regular homebuilt
aircraft parking area because that area is inside the "dead" line during the
airshows.
Blue Skies,
Buz Rich
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
too bad you lost your # of site viewers at the bottom
of the main page from 500 thousand to now only 50. it
makes the plane look like a new company.
--- Pete <pete@flylightning.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Pete [mailto:pete@flylightning.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:51 AM
> To: 'lightning-list@matronics.com'
> Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Arion www site down
> why?
>
>
>
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> The www.flylightning.net
> <http://www.flylightning.net/> site is now back up
> and running at 100% (I think). Our email should now
> be working as well. If
> you sent us email in the last 48 hours please send
> it again.
>
>
>
> If you find any problems with the web site please
> let me know right away.
>
>
>
> Pete Krotje
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]
> On Behalf Of Pete
> Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:34 AM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Arion www site down
> why?
>
>
>
> All,
>
>
>
> I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of
> web hosting companies.
> We decided to change to the new one because we plan
> on upgrading the
> flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be
> working with (the one
> currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has
> his own web hosting
> business. Our old provider is proving difficult to
> work with to allow us to
> get the job done. Net result is that it will take
> another day to get it all
> together.
>
>
>
> Please be patient.
>
>
>
> Pete Krotje
>
>
>
>
>
Looking for last minute shopping deals?
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In a message dated 3/5/2008 12:08:35 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
Homebuilt aircraft camping is actually a little south of the main Vintage
aircraft camping area.
I goofed. Actually homebuilt aircraft camping at LAL is a little EAST of
the main Vintage camping area - to the east of runway 05/23 that is closed
during the fly-in. Sorry about the momentary loss of "situational awareness",
I
have been "spin testing" my new coffee cup and the caffeine has not kicked
in yet this morning.
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
In a message dated 3/5/2008 12:17:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
cdewey6969@yahoo.com writes:
too bad you lost your # of site viewers at the bottom
of the main page from 500 thousand to now only 50.
Good catch, Charles. OK, all you guys that have bought kits, click on the
_http://www.flylightning.net/_ (http://www.flylightning.net/) site about
10,000 each to get the numbers back up. Ready, set, go. First one to 10,000
let
us know.
Buz
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Buz is entirely correct. Sorry about the confusing post!
Hugh Sontag
>In a message dated 3/5/2008 10:07:19 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
>flying@qdea.com writes:
>
>I camped at the Lakeland, FL airport last year. It's less than 5
>miles from the main venue, a shuttle bus was available to take us to
>Sun N Fun,
>
>Just to prevent possible confusion to someone that has not flown to
>Sun-N-Fun before, I think Hugh must be talking about South Lakeland
>airport (X49) which is about 5 miles south of Lakeland Airport (LAL)
>where Sun-N-Fun is held. There is both "store bought" airplane and
>"show plane" camping at LAL during the show. Homebuilt aircraft
>camping is actually a little south of the main Vintage aircraft
>camping area. There is no camping in the regular homebuilt
>aircraft parking area because that area is inside the "dead" line
>during the airshows.
>Blue Skies,
>Buz Rich
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| Subject: | Lightning Dealers |
All Lightning Dealers,
I am starting to work on the next Lightning newsletter and really do
want to include things about your Lightning dealership. Such things as number
sold and flying at your place, and of course, any photos would be greatly
appreciated. So please send any info you want covered as to what is going on
in
your "neck of the woods" and also the contact info you want included in each
newsletter - contact and / or business name, phone number, mail address,
e-mail address, wet site, etc. Anything you send will be appreciated and I plan
to include the contact list for all dealers in each issue to potential custome
rs will know who to contact in their area. Any other suggestions for the
newsletter will be greatly appreciated.
Buz
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| Subject: | Lightning builders and flyers |
I am starting to work on the next issue of the Lightning Newsletter and
would appreciate any inputs, articles, short stories, etc. that you care to
share; and photos as well. Building or flying suggestions that might be helpful
to others would certainly be appropriate. Heck, any thing is appropriate or
can be edited to become appropriate, so just start writing and send it
directly to me: _N1BZRICH@AOL.COM_ (mailto:N1BZRICH@AOL.COM)
For the newsletter to be useful I need all of you to get involved. It is
you guys that will make or break this newsletter because you are the ones
building and flying the product and thus making news and history.
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
The address to your website has changed from www.arionaircraft.com
<http://www.arionaircraft.com/> to www.flylightning.net
<http://www.flylightning.net/> . Now I can't find the online build manual.
Where might it be?
Steve
#48
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Arion www site down why?
Hi All,
The www.flylightning.net <http://www.flylightning.net/> site is now back up
and running at 100% (I think). Our email should now be working as well. If
you sent us email in the last 48 hours please send it again.
If you find any problems with the web site please let me know right away.
Pete Krotje
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Arion www site down why?
All,
I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of web hosting companies.
We decided to change to the new one because we plan on upgrading the
flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be working with (the one
currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has his own web hosting
business. Our old provider is proving difficult to work with to allow us to
get the job done. Net result is that it will take another day to get it all
together.
Please be patient.
Pete Krotje
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
Hey Steve: Isn't it still under Kit?
Lynn
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| Subject: | Re: Arion www site down why? |
To get to the build manual try www.flylightning.net/Owners.htm this will
work
nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Arion www site down why?
Hi All,
The www.flylightning.net <http://www.flylightning.net/> site is now back up
and running at 100% (I think). Our email should now be working as well. If
you sent us email in the last 48 hours please send it again.
If you find any problems with the web site please let me know right away.
Pete Krotje
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete
Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 8:34 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Arion www site down why?
All,
I am beginning to get frustrated with this switch of web hosting companies.
We decided to change to the new one because we plan on upgrading the
flylightning.net site and the web designer I will be working with (the one
currently helping me with the Jabiru USA site) has his own web hosting
business. Our old provider is proving difficult to work with to allow us to
get the job done. Net result is that it will take another day to get it all
together.
Please be patient.
Pete Krotje
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | New trim system and pitch stability... |
Dave,
Certainly will fit the esqual ...i can put you on the list..will be a weeks
or 2 before we get parts.
nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave
Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2008 7:30 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: New trim system and pitch stability...
Nick
The trim sounds great, it is nice to counter the force at the source rather
than through hinges and controls. In cold Mn. the bungee will stay "frozen"
or extended and be useless.
will it fit the Esqual, if so I want one
Thanks Nick
Dave Mc
----- Original Message -----
From: flylightning <mailto:info@flylightning.net>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 5:10 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New trim system and pitch stability...
Jim,
I guess it is the type of builder you are. It will be a tab added o the rear
of the elevator ,but when finished does not look bad at all, if one wanted
you could make it flush using the same dimensions that the tab we are
providing is..The hole is in the bottom of the elevator and about 3.5 by 3.5
and than make a flush cover for it...
Nick
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Langley
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 2:34 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: New trim system and pitch stability...
Great news Nick!
Just a few questions that some other people may have also.
1. If this is an internally mounted servo, then how big a hole will I need
to cut in the elevator half to mount the servo, and for pushrod clearance?
My elevators and stab are already painted, but this can still be done.
2. If a hole is cut, is it from the bottom side?
3. The actual trim tab; is it added to, or cut from the elevator training
edge?
Thanks again for presenting us with some nice options.
Jim!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nick
otterback
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 11:58 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: New trim system and pitch stability...
To the Group,
Arion Aircraft has finished flight testing of the servo driven trim tab in
the elevator, more of a conventional trim system. Results were with out a
doubt outstanding and worth the effort.
We have had some comments that the aircraft was responsive in pitch and or
lacked the ability to be properly trimmed. The bungee trim system was
designed to be simple to build and to trim off control pressures in flight,
it also did good job of trimming airspeed although not always accurate due
to the set up of the bungees. We have designed a servo operated trim tab
internally mounted in the elevator. Using a ray allen servo and small push
rod to drive a tab. I will run thru the results for one or two of the
airspeeds selected. We did a full range of testing from 70mph up to 150mph
IAS. The test were done in 10mph increments and the same tests were run at
each airspeed.
For a trimmed airspeed of 110 mph IAS hands off flight. If a pull was
initiated to 15 degrees above the horizon and power remained the same, than
the stick released , the aircraft would start to decelerate to 100 pitch
over and continue to 110 mph, after 15 seconds or so and a few pitch
oscillations the aircraft would continue at 110 mph IAS hands off as when
started.
If at 110 mph IAS and a push of 15 degrees nose down was initiated with the
power constant and the stick released, the aircraft would accelerate some to
120 or so and begin a pitch up, again after a few oscillation the aircraft
would regain the trimmed speed and continue hands off on its way.
When trimmed for 110 mph IAS and a reduction in power made, the aircraft
will pitch down accelerate to 120 or so than begin to pitch back to 110,
after a 15 sec or so the aircraft will find 110 mph IAS but in a glide as
expected.
When trimmed for 110 mph IAS and power is applied, the aircraft will begin a
pitch up slowing to around 100 mph IAS before the nose drops to around 110
and the aircraft continues in a climb at 110 mph IAS.
At higher airspeeds than 110 the aircraft did show all the same results
except that the correcting tendency was a bit slower but did happen as
described above and always came back to its trimmed configuration.
At speeds slower than 110 the recovery of the aircraft was quicker in all
cases.
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If trimmed for 110 mph IAS, any airspeed higher than 110 mph IAS required
and push of the stick to hold that airspeed, for 10 above it was about 3 lbs
stick force and 20 above about 5-7 lbs.
Any airspeed slower than 110mph IAS required a pull to maintain, speed of 10
or less were 3-5lbs stick force and speeds as slow as 30 less than trimmed
requires 7-10lbs stick force.
Again this was performed at all airspeeds with the same results.
All airspeeds in the range were tested in the same manner as well as
different flight configurations with the same results as above.
As some know from reading this list and those few who have flown the
prototype aircraft, know the pitch forces to be light in that aircraft, the
removal of the bungee system has increased the pitch force required in this
aircraft by 3lbs per g or so..this means that this stick feel Is heavier and
the aircraft less sensitive in pitch than before. I would expect the same
results with the kits as well.
The bungees as well as providing control pressure trim did give some stick
assist if you will that caused the aircraft to feel more sensitive than it
is and less stable than it actually is. The new trim gives good positive
feed back and controls pressures.
The end result of the new trim systems is that the aircraft is much easier
to trim, It will hold a trimmed airspeed much better and will be easier to
fly on long cross countries.
The pitch stability of the aircraft is positive both stick free and stick
fixed at all airspeeds. It shows good recovery tendency back to a trimmed
speed after a disruption in angle of attack, power, stick placement, ect
These tendencies were always inherent, the prototype does not have the
longer motor mount, the pitch geometry is not changed ( although if it was
would only heavy up the stick pressures not change these results) and is
certainly at an aft CG situation for flight testing. A CG movement forward
will only increase its ability to self correct or hold a trimmed airspeed.
In other words the aircraft was flown in the worst condition it could be and
showed positive results.
The good flying qualities of the lightning with the bungee trim have only
been improved upon by the use of this more conventional trim system making
it even more a joy to fly...and believe me I had some fun while I was up
there!
We are currently fitting the system to our 2008 demo and this will be at Sun
N Fun 08 for demos. The system is retrofit table to any lightning current or
in progress.
We also will be working on a price for the kit. Those who are building the
aircraft and have not flown, we will be working out an exchange for the old
trim motor as credit for the new trim kit if wanted, as it is also the flap
motor and can be used in other installations, this is only if the motor is
new and in unused condition and has not been flown..
I am sure that many question will arise and some more about the flight
testing done, please post comments or email me or the group directly as to
any questions you have...
Nick Otterback
Research and Development
Arion Aircraft, LLC
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Lynn,
I've never accessed it there before and I don't see it there now. But I
did figure out how to access it similar to the way I have always accessed
it.
Thanks,
Steve
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Nick, have do you have a update on the manual for the bagage area? TEX
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