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1. 03:55 AM - The tale of the scale (selwyn)
2. 06:11 AM - Re: The tale of the scale (flylightning)
3. 10:14 AM - J3300 Cam Profile (Sales Email Account)
4. 11:43 AM - Re: Re:Engine changes (flylightning)
5. 02:51 PM - N324AL (Pete)
6. 03:58 PM - Re: N324AL (Johnny Thompson)
7. 04:22 PM - Re: N324AL (Wayne Lenox)
8. 05:32 PM - Re: The tale of the scale (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
9. 06:16 PM - Re: Re:Engine changes (Colin J. Kennedy)
10. 10:46 PM - Re: Re:Engine changes (Sales Email Account)
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| Subject: | The tale of the scale |
As one who is keeping his chequebook in the fridge (so that it wont catch fire
when I write the cheque for my kit :) ) I thought it would be interesting to
get an indication of how completed Lightnings are measuring up on the scales.
There are 22 or so out there flying now which means, given the choice in finish
and equipment, there must be that many empty weights (at least).
If those who are already enjoying their Lightnings would care to post the weight
for their aircraft as a reply to this then the rest of us would be interested
to hear. Identification optional!
Cheers, Selwyn
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | The tale of the scale |
The 2007 demo lightning N324AL was 815 empty....dual GRT, tx, radio,
leather, full pants and fairings. Well equipped.
nick
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From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 5:53 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: The tale of the scale
As one who is keeping his chequebook in the fridge (so that it wont catch
fire when I write the cheque for my kit :) ) I thought it would be
interesting to get an indication of how completed Lightnings are measuring
up on the scales. There are 22 or so out there flying now which means,
given the choice in finish and equipment, there must be that many empty
weights (at least).
If those who are already enjoying their Lightnings would care to post the
weight for their aircraft as a reply to this then the rest of us would be
interested to hear. Identification optional!
Cheers, Selwyn
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169190#169190
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| Subject: | J3300 Cam Profile |
Hello from Tucson, Arizona,
I am contacting you about my J3300 engine. I purchased this engine from
Arion Aircraft when I purchased my Lightning kit. The kit and engine
arrived in October of 2007. Arion has indicated that there is a new cam
profile which increases hp to approximately that which existed with the
solid lifter version of the J3300. I would like to know what serial
number that starts with. Could you please provide this information?
Additionally, I am thinking of replacing my Bing carb with an Aero-Carb
in my Lightning engine installation. I will be using a Sensenich carbon
fiber ground adjustable prop. Do you have any recommendations,
suggestions or comments about pursuing the Aero-Carb for the J3300 engine?
Thank you for your assistance................Bill Applegate.
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| Subject: | Re:Engine changes |
Bill,
Our interior shop installs some form of material for sound deading but it is
not a thermal barrier. Also as for the horsepower difference, the 3300 still
makes and always has the rated 120hp as advertised by jabiru. With the
hydraulic cam there was a slight drop but not below the rated 120hp.as for
the engine with the different CAM profile those engines were delivered the
first of the year, I do know the specific serial #
Nick
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:51 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes
Hi Nick and List,
How do you determine if your engine has the latest cam installed?
What is recommended for the cockpit side of the firewall as a firewall
blanket for sound deadening and a thermal barrier? Is it worth pursuing?
Bill Applegate, Kit #49, Tucson, AZ.............New canopy frame trimmed to
fit cockpit sills, now working up the courage to trim the canopy!
flylightning wrote:
Earl,
There is no change in rated horsepower. The last of the solid lifter motors
were rated @120hp but made a bit more than that , the first hydraulic motors
made the 120hp rated but not that little extra that the last solid lifters
did, so there is a new cam profile that should have that back,,,,the 3300
still makes and always has made the rated 120hp...
nick
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:57 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes
In a message dated 3/11/2008 1:00:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
To add to what Nick said, the 2007 Demo also had the hydraulic lifter engine
that was down slightly on horse power and rpm. The engine in the 2008 Demo
will have the hydraulic lifter with the new cam profile that should return
the lost power and rpm. It should be a speed demon.
Buz
New cam profile??? Is there a change in rated HP?
Earl
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Just a hint!
Pete
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Oh yes, nice. Johnny
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From: Pete
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 2:48 PM
Subject: Lightning-List: N324AL
Just a hint!
Pete
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Pete
You know Nel has pictures of your new Lightning from yesterday. I could
send out the pictures if the price was right. It will be a sweet ride!
!!!
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| Subject: | Re: The tale of the scale |
N59JL is 883 lbs empty weight with dual Chelton Sport EFIS, 2 Garmin radios,
Tru Trak autopilot, Garmin transponder and audio panel, gear leg fairings
and wheel pants.
----- Original Message -----
From: "selwyn" <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2008 6:53 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: The tale of the scale
>
> As one who is keeping his chequebook in the fridge (so that it wont
> catch fire when I write the cheque for my kit :) ) I thought it would be
> interesting to get an indication of how completed Lightnings are measuring
> up on the scales. There are 22 or so out there flying now which means,
> given the choice in finish and equipment, there must be that many empty
> weights (at least).
>
> If those who are already enjoying their Lightnings would care to post the
> weight for their aircraft as a reply to this then the rest of us would be
> interested to hear. Identification optional!
> Cheers, Selwyn
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=169190#169190
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re:Engine changes |
Bill,
Thanks for sharing your experience with the canopy. I have been using a
Rotozip especially when cutting small radius curves - it's been easier
than
using a cutting wheel. However, it's difficult to cut a straight line or
a
long shallow curve with a spiral bit, like I thought would have been
needed
on the canopy. Still, I guess this cut does not have to be pretty as it
is
eventually covered by the canopy frame on the inside and the canopy
skins on
the outside. I have not come that far yet.
What do you mean by "set the canopy reveal" ?
And yes, I would be interested in your pictures.
I started my kit, at home, mid-January 2008. I am putting as much detail
in
my Kitlog as I think would be helpful to other builders, but mostly they
will be learning from my mistakes! :-)
Colin K.
OK
Lightning # 52 under construction.
http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
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Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes
Hi Mark,
Thanks for the speedy reply. Who would know what the affected engine
serial
numbers forward are for the updated cam? I'm looking for a contact
person,
Email or phone number.
Regarding trimming the canopy. I did not communicate very well what my
concern was regarding the cutting of the canopy. I was afraid of
putting a
crack in the acrylic! I had figured out where it needed to be cut and
had
marked it in the middle of the "C" channel on the canopy frame with
masking
tape so that it would be visible and less likely to crack.
Great news!!! I was able to trim the canopy to size in just about an
hour
today. I used a spiral cutout tool that I picked up at Harbor Freight.
It
cost $19.95 and here is the URL for the item on their web site:
http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42831
I used the 1/8 inch spiral bit with this tool and it works great and
leaves
a smooth finish cut that does not leave any sharp edges. It is very
easy to
use and is much like the Roto Zip tool that sells for a great deal more.
Tomorrow I plan to make holding fixtures to align the canopy frame so I
can
install the canopy attachment hardware and at the same time set the
canopy
reveal so that when the finish skins are applied the fuselage and canopy
will flow smoothly together. I plan to take some pictures and if anyone
is
interested I will post them.
I have noticed that there is a bow in each of my flaps of anywhere from
.125
to .25 inches. Additionally the trailing edges of these flaps are wavy
rather than straight. Is this typical? I assume that this will not be
a
factor in flight. Is that indeed the case? I suspect it will affect
the
gap between the wing trailing edge skin and the flap.
This is a non-builder assist build which was started in October of 2007.
For those that have not finished their Lightnings as yet I think it
would be
great to know, by Kit Number and builder name, when the build was
started.
I believe that this would be very informative for all builders
especially
for those not using builder assistance.
Bill Applegate, Kit #49, Tucson, AZ working on the canopy and installing
the
flaps.
Our upholstery shop uses 1/2" automotive dense fiber padding glued to
the
firewall. Then they glue their interior carpet to that padding.
As for the cam, starting with a certain serial number all new engines
have
the new cam profile. I don't know what the exact serial number is.
Congratulations on your canopy frame. Actually, trimming the canopy is
the
easiest part. Place the canopy on the frame and draw a line around the
canopy in the middle of the "C" channel. Trim on the line with a Dremel
tool
or some sort of cut off wheel and then clean up the edge so you don't
cut
your fingers. You don't have to worry about the fit against the
fuselage,
the canopy skins will take care of that.
Have a great day!
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Sales
Email
Account
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes
Hi Nick and List,
How do you determine if your engine has the latest cam installed?
What is recommended for the cockpit side of the firewall as a firewall
blanket for sound deadening and a thermal barrier? Is it worth
pursuing?
Bill Applegate, Kit #49, Tucson, AZ.............New canopy frame trimmed
to
fit cockpit sills, now working up the courage to trim the canopy!
flylightning wrote:
Earl,
There is no change in rated horsepower. The last of the solid lifter
motors
were rated @120hp but made a bit more than that , the first hydraulic
motors
made the 120hp rated but not that little extra that the last solid
lifters
did, so there is a new cam profile that should have that back,,,,the
3300
still makes and always has made the rated 120hp...
nick
_____
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[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
EAFerguson@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:57 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes
In a message dated 3/11/2008 1:00:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
To add to what Nick said, the 2007 Demo also had the hydraulic lifter
engine
that was down slightly on horse power and rpm. The engine in the 2008
Demo
will have the hydraulic lifter with the new cam profile that should
return
the lost power and rpm. It should be a speed demon.
Buz
New cam profile??? Is there a change in rated HP?
Earl
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| Subject: | Re:Engine changes |
Hi Colin,
Regarding setting the canopy reveal, the "skins" that cover the canopy
(as attached to the upper canopy flange) and bottom canopy flange are
trimmed so that it rests just above the fuselage canopy sills.
According to advice I received from Arion's tech support folks the
spacing here should be no bigger than the thickness of two business
cards stacked together. The reveal I am talking about is the space
between the bottom canopy frame flange and the fuselage canopy sills
without the skins attached. I am attempting to establish this exact
spacing (reveal) required so that when the skins are installed the
transition from the fuselage and the canopy will be dead even with each
other. Hopefully, my pictures will help in explaining what I'm trying
to communicate better than my word description.
Canopy trimming only needs to be approximate and not "pretty." The
"skins" will hide all of that trim job for you, so don't even try to
make it neat. It's a waste of your valuable time.
Thanks for providing the info I requested. Hope to have pictures by the
weekend............Bill.
Colin J. Kennedy wrote:
> Bill,
>
> Thanks for sharing your experience with the canopy. I have been using
> a Rotozip especially when cutting small radius curves - it's been
> easier than using a cutting wheel. However, it's difficult to cut a
> straight line or a long shallow curve with a spiral bit, like I
> thought would have been needed on the canopy. Still, I guess this cut
> does not have to be pretty as it is eventually covered by the canopy
> frame on the inside and the canopy skins on the outside. I have not
> come that far yet.
>
> What do you mean by "set the canopy reveal" ?
>
> And yes, I would be interested in your pictures.
>
> I started my kit, at home, mid-January 2008. I am putting as much
> detail in my Kitlog as I think would be helpful to other builders, but
> mostly they will be learning from my mistakes! :-)
>
>
> Colin K.
> OK
> Lightning # 52 under construction.
> http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Sales Email Account
> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:37 PM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes
>
> Hi Mark,
>
> Thanks for the speedy reply. Who would know what the affected
> engine serial numbers forward are for the updated cam? I'm
> looking for a contact person, Email or phone number.
>
> Regarding trimming the canopy. I did not communicate very well
> what my concern was regarding the cutting of the canopy. I was
> afraid of putting a crack in the acrylic! I had figured out where
> it needed to be cut and had marked it in the middle of the "C"
> channel on the canopy frame with masking tape so that it would be
> visible and less likely to crack.
>
> Great news!!! I was able to trim the canopy to size in just about
> an hour today. I used a spiral cutout tool that I picked up at
> Harbor Freight. It cost $19.95 and here is the URL for the item
> on their web site:
> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=42831
>
> I used the 1/8 inch spiral bit with this tool and it works great
> and leaves a smooth finish cut that does not leave any sharp
> edges. It is very easy to use and is much like the Roto Zip tool
> that sells for a great deal more.
>
> Tomorrow I plan to make holding fixtures to align the canopy frame
> so I can install the canopy attachment hardware and at the same
> time set the canopy reveal so that when the finish skins are
> applied the fuselage and canopy will flow smoothly together. I
> plan to take some pictures and if anyone is interested I will post
> them.
>
> I have noticed that there is a bow in each of my flaps of anywhere
> from .125 to .25 inches. Additionally the trailing edges of these
> flaps are wavy rather than straight. Is this typical? I assume
> that this will not be a factor in flight. Is that indeed the
> case? I suspect it will affect the gap between the wing trailing
> edge skin and the flap.
>
> This is a non-builder assist build which was started in October of
> 2007. For those that have not finished their Lightnings as yet I
> think it would be great to know, by Kit Number and builder name,
> when the build was started. I believe that this would be very
> informative for all builders especially for those not using
> builder assistance.
>
> Bill Applegate, Kit #49, Tucson, AZ working on the canopy and
> installing the flaps.
>
>>
>> Our upholstery shop uses 1/2" automotive dense fiber padding
>> glued to the firewall. Then they glue their interior carpet to
>> that padding.
>>
>> As for the cam, starting with a certain serial number all new
>> engines have the new cam profile. I don't know what the exact
>> serial number is.
>>
>> Congratulations on your canopy frame. Actually, trimming the
>> canopy is the easiest part. Place the canopy on the frame and
>> draw a line around the canopy in the middle of the "C" channel.
>> Trim on the line with a Dremel tool or some sort of cut off wheel
>> and then clean up the edge so you don't cut your fingers. You
>> don't have to worry about the fit against the fuselage, the
>> canopy skins will take care of that.
>>
>> Have a great day!
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf
>> Of Sales Email Account
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 10:51 AM
>> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes
>>
>> Hi Nick and List,
>>
>> How do you determine if your engine has the latest cam installed?
>>
>> What is recommended for the cockpit side of the firewall as a
>> firewall blanket for sound deadening and a thermal barrier?
>> Is it worth pursuing?
>>
>> Bill Applegate, Kit #49, Tucson, AZ.............New canopy
>> frame trimmed to fit cockpit sills, now working up the
>> courage to trim the canopy!
>>
>> flylightning wrote:
>>
>>> Earl,
>>>
>>> There is no change in rated horsepower. The last of the
>>> solid lifter motors were rated @120hp but made a bit more
>>> than that , the first hydraulic motors made the 120hp rated
>>> but not that little extra that the last solid lifters did,
>>> so there is a new cam profile that should have that
>>> back,,,,the 3300 still makes and always has made the rated
>>> 120hp.....
>>>
>>> nick
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
>>> [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
>>> Of EAFerguson@aol.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:57 AM
>>> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
>>> Subject: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes
>>>
>>> In a message dated 3/11/2008 1:00:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight
>>> Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes:
>>>
>>> To add to what Nick said, the 2007 Demo also had the
>>> hydraulic lifter engine that was down slightly on horse
>>> power and rpm. The engine in the 2008 Demo will have
>>> the hydraulic lifter with the new cam profile that
>>> should return the lost power and rpm. It should be a
>>> speed demon.
>>>
>>> Buz
>>>
>>> New cam profile??? Is there a change in rated HP?
>>>
>>> Earl
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
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