---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 03/13/08: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:26 AM - Re: Re:Engine changes (James, Clive R) 2. 09:37 AM - Re: Re:Engine changes (N1BZRich@aol.com) 3. 02:44 PM - What's This ????? (Pete) 4. 03:01 PM - Re: What's This ????? (WILLIAM O FISHER) 5. 03:04 PM - Re: What's This ????? (Wayne Lenox) 6. 03:14 PM - Re: What's This ????? (Johnny Thompson) 7. 03:23 PM - Re: What's This ????? (Brian Whittingham) 8. 03:24 PM - Re: What's This ????? (Jim Langley) 9. 04:24 PM - Re: What's This ????? (Kayberg@aol.com) 10. 04:41 PM - Re: What's This ????? (Brian Whittingham) 11. 04:49 PM - Re: What's This ????? (N1BZRich@aol.com) 12. 04:53 PM - What's This ? plus how long? (N1BZRich@aol.com) 13. 06:13 PM - Re: What's This ? plus how long? (Tex Mantell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:34 AM PST US Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes From: "James, Clive R" This from the UK agent todday: --------------------------------------------------------- The Revised cam profile came in October 2007 at 33A1684 Regards, Kevin ----------------------------------------------------------- Disappointing as I have # 1460 with hydraulic tappets. I've enquired about the new cam. Given Jabiru's normal approach I don't expect any sort of exchange deal but you never know...... Maybe Pete can comment on what he knows/offers? Regards, Clive -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of flylightning Sent: 12 March 2008 18:40 Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes Bill, Our interior shop installs some form of material for sound deading but it is not a thermal barrier. Also as for the horsepower difference, the 3300 still makes and always has the rated 120hp as advertised by jabiru. With the hydraulic cam there was a slight drop but not below the rated 120hp...as for the engine with the different CAM profile those engines were delivered the first of the year, I do know the specific serial # Nick ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sales Email Account Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 11:51 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes Hi Nick and List, How do you determine if your engine has the latest cam installed? What is recommended for the cockpit side of the firewall as a firewall blanket for sound deadening and a thermal barrier? Is it worth pursuing? Bill Applegate, Kit #49, Tucson, AZ.............New canopy frame trimmed to fit cockpit sills, now working up the courage to trim the canopy! flylightning wrote: Earl, There is no change in rated horsepower. The last of the solid lifter motors were rated @120hp but made a bit more than that , the first hydraulic motors made the 120hp rated but not that little extra that the last solid lifters did, so there is a new cam profile that should have that back,,,,the 3300 still makes and always has made the rated 120hp..... nick ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of EAFerguson@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:57 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes In a message dated 3/11/2008 1:00:07 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, N1BZRich@aol.com writes: To add to what Nick said, the 2007 Demo also had the hydraulic lifter engine that was down slightly on horse power and rpm. The engine in the 2008 Demo will have the hydraulic lifter with the new cam profile that should return the lost power and rpm. It should be a speed demon. Buz New cam profile??? Is there a change in rated HP? Earl ________________________________ It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:10 AM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re:Engine changes In a message dated 3/13/2008 9:28:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james@uk.bp.com writes: The Revised cam profile came in October 2007 at 33A1684 To all on the List, Thanks to Clive to getting this serial number info out. However, if you happen to have one of these engines do not be concerned. You still have a great engine that produces an honest 120 HP (or even more when broken in) and you don't have to worry about adjusting the valves on a regular basis as many of us do. I think it was me that initially mentioned this power/rpm issue on the list some time ago after flying the original Lightning Demo on a flight evaluation. After my flight I casually mentioned to Nick that the engine seems to be down slightly on top end rpm (and thus power) when at WOT. He confirmed that he had also noticed this and that the factory was working on a new cam profile to get the last few rpm back to where it was before. The only reason I noticed this is that I have flown enough Lightning airframe, engine, and propeller combinations at WOT while testing different props that I suspected something that Nick confirmed. Now really, how often will you be running your engine at WOT (wide open throttle) so that these last few rpm will be important? I am willing to bet that unless you have done lots of prop testing on Lightnings that you would never have noticed this. It just isn't that big a deal for the way you will be normally operating your airplane. All of the prop testing that Nick and I have done is to come up with the optimum prop set up for various airframe configurations - meaning a Lightning at various weights or the Light Sport compliant model. Bottom line - equip your Lightning the way you want it, but when deciding how you really want to equip it, strive to keep it light and then build it "straight". As to building it straight, the factory now uses a wing incidence setting tool to insure both wings are the same when they go on the first time. This has been discussed on the list before with a photo of the incidence tool that Nick developed. If you just align the inboard wing profile with the fuselage profile, you may or may not "get it perfect". Only a small amount can make a difference. Once you start flying and you find that you have a "hands off" roll while the stick is centered and the ailerons are neutral, the only way to fix the problem of a "heavy wing" is to lower the flap slightly on the "heavy" side. Of course that adds some drag because you are increasing lift on that side, but it is what you need to do because the other wing has a slightly higher incidence and thus slightly more lift. Now more lift on both sides means slightly more total drag, and drag is the enemy when you want to cruise fast. Hope this is not confusing. These two things (keeping it light and building it straight) will have more to do with higher cruise speed than the last few rpm that your can turn when WOT with some specific propeller. So don't sweat it if you have one of these interim engines. And no, Jabiru did not ask me to say this. I just don't want to see folks stressing about something that really won't make much difference on the way they will operate their aircraft. Blue Skies, Buz **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:44:56 PM PST US From: "Pete" Subject: Lightning-List: What's This ????? ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:01:15 PM PST US From: "WILLIAM O FISHER" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: What's This ????? Pete: It Looks like it might be the vertical stablizer on the new 2008 Demo. Bill Fisher 838BF ----- Original Message ----- From: Pete To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Lightning-List: What's This ????? ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:11 PM PST US From: "Wayne Lenox" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: What's This ????? Vertical stabilizer on the new Lightning Demo, But I had a chance to lo ok. Wayne -- "Pete" wrote: _____________________________________________________________ Make up to $100/hour. Click here to get the skills and the job. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2121/fc/Ioyw6i3mAoQhy6Raz15TFlTPLSb3 YjTtTm6DpQ1B0Ncpo3i1I9wVJx/ ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:48 PM PST US From: "Johnny Thompson" <14az@mysprocketmail.com> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: What's This ????? Pete How did you get away with dark colors or is this a night hawk mission aircraft only? Johnny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pete" Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 2:11 PM Subject: Lightning-List: What's This ????? > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:23:58 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: What's This ????? it's an upside down one of these? Pete's getting into the whole viral marketing game on the coat tails of the movie "Cloverfield" huh? Brian W. _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!-Play the word scramble challenge with sta r power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_ja n ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:24:03 PM PST US From: "Jim Langley" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: What's This ????? Correction. Right side of the vertical stab for the new Lightning. From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Lenox Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 6:00 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: What's This ????? Vertical stabilizer on the new Lightning Demo, But I had a chance to look. Wayne -- "Pete" wrote: _____________________________________________________________ Make up to $100/hour. Click here to get the skills and the job. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:24:08 PM PST US From: Kayberg@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: What's This ????? In a message dated 3/13/2008 6:16:04 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 14az@mysprocketmail.com writes: Pete How did you get away with dark colors or is this a night hawk mission aircraft only? Johnny I'm guessing they stole the silver color from Lancair. they seem to steal everything else from them !!! ( I recall reading that one of the slick plastic manufacturers ( could also have been Cirrus) spent a ton of money finding a silver color combination that would not overheat the resins.... Perhaps someone got the forumula.) Doug **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:41:20 PM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: What's This ????? Doug, I'm not sure about the rest of the story, but yep, Cirrus came up w ith a snazzy new silver color offered for premium G3's _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!-Play the word scramble challenge with sta r power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_ja n ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:07 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: What's This ????? In a message dated 3/13/2008 7:42:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dashvii@hotmail.com writes: Cirrus came up with a snazzy new silver color At Sun-N-Fun last year Cirrus **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:53:38 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Lightning-List: What's This ? plus how long? In a message dated 3/13/2008 7:42:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dashvii@hotmail.com writes: Cirrus came up with a snazzy new silver color At SNF last year Cirrus not only had a silver one but a light gold as well. On the silver one they had painted on rivets. Really looked cool and obviously a good natured slam at aluminum aircraft construction. On another subject, I hope to get the newsletter out this weekend. My question is how long is too long? The Lightning History story got a little long plus I have some good things from dealers and builders. So I may either divide the history into two episodes or cut some of the other inputs until the next newsletter. Any thoughts or suggestions - what really is too long for a newsletter? Buz **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:13:18 PM PST US From: "Tex Mantell" Subject: Re: Lightning-List: What's This ? plus how long? Buz, make the news letter the size that wont be a burden on you. We all appreciate what you are doing and its your call. Again thanks for your effort and I am sure everyone will be happy. Tex ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 7:50 PM Subject: Lightning-List: What's This ? plus how long? In a message dated 3/13/2008 7:42:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dashvii@hotmail.com writes: Cirrus came up with a snazzy new silver color At SNF last year Cirrus not only had a silver one but a light gold as well. On the silver one they had painted on rivets. Really looked cool and obviously a good natured slam at aluminum aircraft construction. On another subject, I hope to get the newsletter out this weekend. My question is how long is too long? The Lightning History story got a little long plus I have some good things from dealers and builders. So I may either divide the history into two episodes or cut some of the other inputs until the next newsletter. Any thoughts or suggestions - what really is too long for a newsletter? Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- It's Tax Time! 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