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1. 02:35 AM - Re: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real (JOSEPH MATHIAS LINDA MATHIAS)
2. 02:55 AM - Re: ????? (Brian Whittingham)
3. 04:14 AM - Re: ????? (Jim Langley)
4. 07:38 AM - Re: ????? (Brian Whittingham)
5. 08:27 AM - Re: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real (EAFerguson@aol.com)
6. 09:04 AM - Re: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real ()
7. 09:04 AM - Re: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real (Jerry Van Heeswyk)
8. 09:25 AM - New Tips (N1BZRich@aol.com)
9. 09:51 AM - Re: New Tips (Brian Whittingham)
10. 10:01 AM - To Buz, Potential News for Newsletter 3 (Brian Whittingham)
11. 10:23 AM - Re: To Buz, Potential News for Newsletter 3 (N1BZRich@aol.com)
12. 10:23 AM - Re: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real (Jim Langley)
13. 10:24 AM - happy St. Patrick's Day (N1BZRich@aol.com)
14. 10:38 AM - Re: To Buz, Potential News for Newsletter 3 (Brian Whittingham)
15. 10:48 AM - Re: happy St. Patrick's Day (Rick Bowen)
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real |
I like Arion Flash also; it conjures up the Lightning for now and who
knows what in the future. Also, sounds a bit like a newspaper.
Linda
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From: Jim Langley
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:22 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real
My vote of the four would be The Arion Flash
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:11 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real
In a message dated 3/16/2008 10:22:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
I wonder if we are going about this the wrong way; trying to name
the newsletter after the Lightning when it really should be about the
company and the great products that Arion is making? I mean, what
happens when they come out with that four seat design, or the tail
dragger and name them something else?
I think Jim is onto something as apparently several others do. Here
are some suggestions we already have that incorporate the name Arion:
Arion=99s Voice, The Arion Authority, The Arion Discharge and
Thr Arion Flash. Once again, I don't think too much about the Arion
Discharge, even though lightning is an electrical discharge. Sounds too
much like some bad medical condition.
Buz
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The picture on the left definately looks like something metal. I would sec
ond that it is probably something to do with the new overhead latch system.
The one on the right intrigues me though. Compare those flap hinge fairi
ngs to the photos of Peter's plane from the newsletter. Did Arion change t
he flap hinge design? It appears that these fairings go straight into the
wing instead of taking the curve at the front. It could be an optical illu
sion, or they could have just stretched the fairing out so that it would go
stright into the wing. This is also a low res copy, but I can't make out
either of the inside flap hinge fairings which are longer and fit right nex
t to the fuselage. Could be that you just can't see them in this copy, but
there are no hinge fairings in that location to tip off that they're even t
here. Of course I also happen to know that the three that are on each wing
and are shown are the same lengths, and that the inside ones are longer, s
o perhaps they just hadn't gotten around to fabricating the longer ones. W
ho knows. I am fairly certain that the thing on the left was made of metal
though. Still anxious to see pics of the new wingtips. (and the supercha
rged 450hp 8 cylinder version ;-P )
Brian W.
From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:56:18 -0400Subject: Re: Lig
htning-List: ?????To: lightning-list@matronics.com
After Looking at the photo again that Pete teased us with, I am now not too
sure I got it right, saying it was part of the new flap hinge fairing. Hi
s photo is below, along with one that Nick had sent me some time ago and th
at photo does show the flap hinge fairings as they are being fitted to the
new 2008 Demo wing. I think we need some new guesses on Pete's photo.
Buz
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Unless I'm mistaken, those flap hinge covers look like they are from a
Jabiru airplane. I spoke with Nick about using them for hinge covers back
in August of last year when they mistakenly sent some to me at Green
Landings. The problem at the time was getting around the open back of the
cover which would create turbulence. Peter seems to have come up with a
nice solution for that.
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian
Whittingham
Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 5:52 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: ?????
The picture on the left definately looks like something metal. I would
second that it is probably something to do with the new overhead latch
system. The one on the right intrigues me though. Compare those flap hinge
fairings to the photos of Peter's plane from the newsletter. Did Arion
change the flap hinge design? It appears that these fairings go straight
into the wing instead of taking the curve at the front. It could be an
optical illusion, or they could have just stretched the fairing out so that
it would go stright into the wing. This is also a low res copy, but I can't
make out either of the inside flap hinge fairings which are longer and fit
right next to the fuselage. Could be that you just can't see them in this
copy, but there are no hinge fairings in that location to tip off that
they're even there. Of course I also happen to know that the three that are
on each wing and are shown are the same lengths, and that the inside ones
are longer, so perhaps they just hadn't gotten around to fabricating the
longer ones. Who knows. I am fairly certain that the thing on the left was
made of metal though. Still anxious to see pics of the new wingtips. (and
the supercharged 450hp 8 cylinder version ;-P )
Brian W.
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From: N1BZRich@aol.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: ?????
After Looking at the photo again that Pete teased us with, I am now not too
sure I got it right, saying it was part of the new flap hinge fairing. His
photo is below, along with one that Nick had sent me some time ago and that
photo does show the flap hinge fairings as they are being fitted to the new
2008 Demo wing. I think we need some new guesses on Pete's photo.
Buz
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Jim,
Oh yes I think you're right. I remember talking to them now and decidin
g if they would fit it would be the quickest thing to do. Your stated prob
lem was one that needed to be solved though. Looks like they did that. I'
m still not seeing anything over the ones closest inboard though. Maybe be
cause they had to do extra fabricating on that one due to the different len
gth. Brian W.
From: pequeajim@gmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light
ning-List: ?????Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 07:11:14 -0400
Unless I=92m mistaken, those flap hinge covers look like they are from a Ja
biru airplane. I spoke with Nick about using them for hinge covers back in
August of last year when they mistakenly sent some to me at Green Landings
. The problem at the time was getting around the open back of the cover wh
ich would create turbulence. Peter seems to have come up with a nice solut
ion for that.
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian WhittinghamSent: Monday, March 1
7, 2008 5:52 AMTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Lightning-List:
?????
The picture on the left definately looks like something metal. I would sec
ond that it is probably something to do with the new overhead latch system.
The one on the right intrigues me though. Compare those flap hinge fairi
ngs to the photos of Peter's plane from the newsletter. Did Arion change t
he flap hinge design? It appears that these fairings go straight into the
wing instead of taking the curve at the front. It could be an optical illu
sion, or they could have just stretched the fairing out so that it would go
stright into the wing. This is also a low res copy, but I can't make out
either of the inside flap hinge fairings which are longer and fit right nex
t to the fuselage. Could be that you just can't see them in this copy, but
there are no hinge fairings in that location to tip off that they're even t
here. Of course I also happen to know that the three that are on each wing
and are shown are the same lengths, and that the inside ones are longer, s
o perhaps they just hadn't gotten around to fabricating the longer ones. W
ho knows. I am fairly certain that the thing on the left was made of metal
though. Still anxious to see pics of the new wingtips. (and the supercha
rged 450hp 8 cylinder version ;-P )Brian W.
From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Sun, 16 Mar 2008 22:56:18 -0400Subject: Re: Lig
htning-List: ?????To: lightning-list@matronics.com
After Looking at the photo again that Pete teased us with, I am now not too
sure I got it right, saying it was part of the new flap hinge fairing. Hi
s photo is below, along with one that Nick had sent me some time ago and th
at photo does show the flap hinge fairings as they are being fitted to the
new 2008 Demo wing. I think we need some new guesses on Pete's photo.
Buz
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real |
In a message dated 3/16/2008 10:22:15 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
> wonder if we are going about this the wrong way; trying to name the
> newsletter after the Lightning when it really should be about the company and
the
> great products that Arion is making? I mean, what happens when they come out
> with that four seat design, or the tail dragger and name them something else?
Good point. That's exactly what happened to the Gromman Club which is named
the American Yankee Association based on the first 2-place product. Now there
is an ongoing discussion about changing the name to include the other models
(iger, Cheetah, Cougar and the other AA-1 models.
Just when I thought we were approaching agreement on a name.
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| Subject: | Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real |
Although I'm not an owner (yet), I "here, here" for Flash also!
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Have a blessed day!
Scott C. Arden
---- Jim Langley <pequeajim@gmail.com> wrote:
> My vote of the four would be The Arion Flash
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> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N1BZRich@aol.com
> Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 11:11 PM
> To: lightning-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real
>
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> In a message dated 3/16/2008 10:22:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, pequeajim@gmail.com
writes:
>
> I wonder if we are going about this the wrong way; trying to name the newsletter
after the Lightning when it really should be about the company and the great
products that Arion is making? I mean, what happens when they come out with
that four seat design, or the tail dragger and name them something else?
>
> I think Jim is onto something as apparently several others do. Here are some
suggestions we already have that incorporate the name Arion:
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> Arions Voice, The Arion Authority, The Arion Discharge and Thr Arion Flash.
Once again, I don't think too much about the Arion Discharge, even though lightning
is an electrical discharge. Sounds too much like some bad medical condition.
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real |
I think the four names all sound good, but we might be overlooking an
exposure. If the company name is included in the N/L title, it may imply
that Arion agrees with, and supports all of the content. Since
newsletters, like blogs, contain much opinion and anecdotal information,
this potentially could create a problem for Arion. If others agree that
this is an exposure, and we incorporate Arion in the name, perhaps a
disclaimer should be included to distance Arion from data they would not
support.
Just my thoughts.
Jerry Van Heeswyk
Kit #7 - N62JV
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2008 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real
In a message dated 3/16/2008 10:22:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
I wonder if we are going about this the wrong way; trying to name
the newsletter after the Lightning when it really should be about the
company and the great products that Arion is making? I mean, what
happens when they come out with that four seat design, or the tail
dragger and name them something else?
I think Jim is onto something as apparently several others do. Here
are some suggestions we already have that incorporate the name Arion:
Arion=99s Voice, The Arion Authority, The Arion Discharge and
Thr Arion Flash. Once again, I don't think too much about the Arion
Discharge, even though lightning is an electrical discharge. Sounds too
much like some bad medical condition.
Buz
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In a message dated 3/17/2008 5:56:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
dashvii@hotmail.com writes:
Still anxious to see pics of the new wingtips.
Hi Brian,
I have the CAD program (I think it is CAD that Nick sent to me some time
ago) that shows the new tips and the program allows you to rotate the basic
drawing to view it from any angle. Neat program. I will put some pixs of
the new tip in the next newsletter.
For those of you that might be new to the list, these new tips will
extend the Lightning wing and thus increase the wing area in order to lower the
clean stall speed. Up until now, most Lightnings that were built to meet
light sport parameters used VGs to get the clean stall to 45 knots or below.
Depending on how light you built your Lightning, some have been able to made the
max stall speed without VGs. For example, I think Earl's N17EF was able to
meet the 45 knot limit without VGs, but Earl worked at keeping his airplane
very light. There may be others as well. But with these new tips, the stall
should be below 45 knots clean for all Lightnings. Arion may have a
pre-production tip to show at Sun-N-Fun or Oshkosh, but Nick will test fly them
on
the prototype before they become available for the production airplane.
For builders that think they may want to use these new tips on your
airplane, and you are building now, the thing to do is to install the current
tips with screws so that they can be removed and the new tips added in the
future. The other thing to do (or not to do) if you want your Lightning to meet
light sport parameters is to not install the "go fast" gear leg fairings and
wheel pants. You can probably install some other wheel pants, but the
standard Lightning pants are the latest style and will really clean up your airplane
and thus cruise too fast at the max continuous rpm that is published for the
Jab 3300.
Blue Skies,
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Buz,
Thanks, I'll look forward to seeing those wingtip extensions. If they l
ook like what we talked about it'll add a little more wing area without add
ing much drag penalty (adding a foot of length to each wing would gain abou
t 6 sq. feet if memory serves, and therefore over 6% additional wing area,
base on 90 some odd sq. ft. of wing area total) This should help for those
flying long cross countries to have an even more stable ride and increase
climb rates and decrease takeoff rolls.
On a side note, for anybody closing up that flap gap that added these tips,
they'd cause slightly more drag, but I doubt you'd loose more than maybe 1
knot on speed, but it should give back anything lost due to an increased t
akeoff roll for closing off the gap being offset by more wing area. It wou
ld also lower the stall speed. Brian W.
From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 12:23:08 -0400Subject: Lightni
ng-List: New TipsTo: lightning-list@matronics.com
In a message dated 3/17/2008 5:56:57 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, dashvii@ho
tmail.com writes:
Still anxious to see pics of the new wingtips.
Hi Brian,
I have the CAD program (I think it is CAD that Nick sent to me some tim
e ago) that shows the new tips and the program allows you to rotate the bas
ic drawing to view it from any angle. Neat program. I will put some pixs
of the new tip in the next newsletter.
For those of you that might be new to the list, these new tips will ext
end the Lightning wing and thus increase the wing area in order to lower th
e clean stall speed. Up until now, most Lightnings that were built to meet
light sport parameters used VGs to get the clean stall to 45 knots or belo
w. Depending on how light you built your Lightning, some have been able to
made the max stall speed without VGs. For example, I think Earl's N17EF w
as able to meet the 45 knot limit without VGs, but Earl worked at keeping h
is airplane very light. There may be others as well. But with these new t
ips, the stall should be below 45 knots clean for all Lightnings. Arion ma
y have a pre-production tip to show at Sun-N-Fun or Oshkosh, but Nick will
test fly them on the prototype before they become available for the product
ion airplane.
For builders that think they may want to use these new tips on your air
plane, and you are building now, the thing to do is to install the current
tips with screws so that they can be removed and the new tips added in the
future. The other thing to do (or not to do) if you want your Lightning to
meet light sport parameters is to not install the "go fast" gear leg fairi
ngs and wheel pants. You can probably install some other wheel pants, but
the standard Lightning pants are the latest style and will really clean up
your airplane and thus cruise too fast at the max continuous rpm that is pu
blished for the Jab 3300.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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| Subject: | To Buz, Potential News for Newsletter 3 |
Buz, As you know, my thesis which was over flight testing gap seals on th
e Arion Lightning, goes to print in a few days. It came out to about 130is
h pages long. I won't bore everybodywith the details, but I can give you a
short maybe 1 page write-up on my results before and aftermodification. S
ome of the results were as expected, others were interesting, but overall a
very positive indication of increased performance. Taking away from that,
it also shows why it is important to take your time and build your airplan
e as straight as possible. Free speed, free gas, just for taking the extra
time and attention to detail. It was fun, and I hope that it helped Arion
and some others onthe list out, but I'll be glad to be done with it! (on
my last round of revisions right now!) Brian W.
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| Subject: | Re: To Buz, Potential News for Newsletter 3 |
Brian,
Send me a summary that's 1 to 3 pages long (with some photos if
possible) and I will work it into the newsletter for a future issue. At least
when
we publish it, we can include your e-mail address so that those wanting more
detail can contact you directly.
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| Subject: | Re: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real |
Hey, why make it easy huh?
(grin...)
On 3/17/08, Jerry Van Heeswyk <vanheeswyk@cox.net> wrote:
>
> I think the four names all sound good, but we might be overlooking an
> exposure. If the company name is included in the N/L title, it may imply
> that Arion agrees with, and supports all of the content. Since newsletters,
> like blogs, contain much opinion and anecdotal information, this potentially
> could create a problem for Arion. If others agree that this is an exposure,
> and we incorporate Arion in the name, perhaps a disclaimer should be
> included to distance Arion from data they would not support.
>
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Jerry Van Heeswyk
> Kit #7 - N62JV
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* N1BZRich@aol.com
> *To:* lightning-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 16, 2008 8:10 PM
> *Subject:* Re: Lightning-List: Lightning Newsletter, Issue #2 for real
>
>
> In a message dated 3/16/2008 10:22:15 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> pequeajim@gmail.com writes:
>
> I wonder if we are going about this the wrong way; trying to name the
> newsletter after the Lightning when it really should be about the company
> and the great products that Arion is making? I mean, what happens when they
> come out with that four seat design, or the tail dragger and name them
> something else?
>
> I think Jim is onto something as apparently several others do. Here are
> some suggestions we already have that incorporate the name Arion:
>
> *Arion's Voice, The Arion Authority, **The Arion Discharge and Thr Arion
> Flash.* Once again, I don't think too much about the Arion Discharge, even
> though lightning is an electrical discharge. Sounds too much like some bad
> medical condition.
> Buz
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| Subject: | happy St. Patrick's Day |
Since it's St. Patrick's Day, here is one of my favorite Irish jokes.
A drunken Patrick O'Grady staggers into a Catholic Church, enters a
confessional box, sits down but says nothing.
The Priest coughs a few times to get his attention but Patrick just sits
there.
Finally, the Priest pounds three times on the wall.
The drunk mumbles, "Ain't no use knockin', there's no toilet paper on this
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| Subject: | To Buz, Potential News for Newsletter 3 |
Buz,
I can do that. I'll look for some pics of the install that I took too.
Look for that in your email in a week or two. It's not as pretty as Peter
Discher's permanent install, but it did prove the concept. Funny how a thi
n, flexible, piece of mylar can dramatically change an aircraft's performan
ce! Brian W.
From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:21:09 -0400Subject: Re: Lig
htning-List: To Buz, Potential News for Newsletter 3To: lightning-list@matr
onics.com
Brian,
Send me a summary that's 1 to 3 pages long (with some photos if possibl
e) and I will work it into the newsletter for a future issue. At least whe
n we publish it, we can include your e-mail address so that those wanting m
ore detail can contact you directly.
Buz
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| Subject: | happy St. Patrick's Day |
Funny one Buz....!
I thought I would also send one of my favorite Irish jokes.
Seems like everyone has a good St.Paddy's story!
Mine is a "wee bit" long, hope you "appreciate" it......
Flynn staggered home very late after another evening with his drinking budd
y, Paddy. He took off his shoes to avoid waking his wife, Mary. He tiptoed
as quietly as he could toward the stairs leading to their upstairs bedroom
, but misjudged the bottom step. As he caught himself by grabbing the banis
ter, his body swung around and he landed heavily on his rump. A whiskey bot
tle in each back pocket broke and made the landing especially painful. Man
aging not to yell, Flynn sprung up, pulled down his pants, and looked in th
e hall mirror to see that his butt cheeks were cut and bleeding. He managed
to quietly find a full box of Band-Aids and began putting a Band-Aid as be
st he could on each place he saw blood. He then hid the now almost empty B
and-Aid box and shuffled and stumbled his way to b ed. In the morning, Fly
nn woke up with searing pain in both his head and butt and Mary staring at
him from across the room. She said, 'You were drunk again last night weren
't you?' Flynn said, 'Why you say such a mean thing?' 'Well,' Mary said,
'it could be the open front door, it could be the broken glass at the botto
m of the stairs, it could be the drops of blood trailing through the house,
it could be your bloodshot eyes, but mostly.....it's all those Band-Aids s
tuck on the hall mirror.
From: N1BZRich@aol.comDate: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 13:21:45 -0400Subject: Lightni
ng-List: happy St. Patrick's DayTo: lightning-list@matronics.com
Since it's St. Patrick's Day, here is one of my favorite Irish jokes.
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