---------------------------------------------------------- Lightning-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/28/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:33 AM - Re: Plaid? () 2. 07:17 AM - Kitplanes Editorial () 3. 07:19 AM - Re: N324AL-Wooden panels-stripes-German creativity (flylightning) 4. 07:21 AM - Re: He's Done It Again! (flylightning) 5. 07:34 AM - Re: Kitplanes Editorial (Brian Whittingham) 6. 08:08 AM - Re: Kitplanes Editorial (Pete) 7. 08:37 AM - Re: Kitplanes Editorial (Brian Whittingham) 8. 08:39 AM - Re: Plaid? (EAFerguson@aol.com) 9. 07:46 PM - Re: N324AL-Wooden panels-stripes-German creativity (N1BZRich@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:42 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Plaid? Earl, Maybe you could have your panel re-finished to match your famous record pants? :-) Colin K. ---- EAFerguson@aol.com wrote: > You mean Tartan? > > E. Ferguson > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15&ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:43 AM PST US From: Subject: Lightning-List: Kitplanes Editorial Hey Listers! I received my new Kitplanes Magazine yesterday. The Editorial was a little sobering. As one who is on the verge of writing a check for a Lightning kit, I'm a little concerned about the proposed rule. I agree wholeheartedly with the author in that with the advent of the quickbuild kits and factory regulated builder assist, we have created a new generation of very safe airplanes. Ones that come much closer to a factory built bird than when we all bought a set of plans and started cutting wood! Is there anything we can do or anyone that you guys know we can contact to help stave off this attack on quality homebuilding? I don't know for sure, but I am pretty positive that the Lightning builder assist is NOT "pay me your money and I'll build your airplane for you". In fact, my impression is that you spend very long days working very hard on every aspect of your airplane, with verbal guidance and an extra pair of hands. I hope I am correct and the B/A program can continue intact. As far as the 51% goes, it seems that the Lightning meets that and I'd hate to have to add more tasks in building, especially with critical components that the factory has done for us. Any comments?? Lets attack this if we can! -- Have a blessed day! Scott C. Arden ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:56 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N324AL-Wooden panels-stripes-German creativity Actually the stripes are similar but not exact to a paint scheme a company did for a Jabiru customer of ours....the scheme holds the same idea but is different completely....and is all paint... nick -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James, Clive R Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 1:52 AM Subject: Lightning-List: N324AL-Wooden panels-stripes-German creativity That really is a sweet looking plane. The stripes design, which I think came from someone else's plane, are the best I've seen for the Esqual/Lightning lines. I'm going to see my vinyl man when I get home. Nice neat panel too Pete. Attached is a wood effect panel.....well actually it is wood, amazingly created by a German, not known over in Europe for flamboyand design, well at least it had a German number.....snapped in Switzerland in 2006. CJ -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: 27 March 2008 22:48 Subject: RE: Lightning-List: N324AL Panel Sorry, I attached the wrong photos in the last email! Pete ________________________________ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 5:32 PM Subject: Lightning-List: N324AL Panel .. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:21:31 AM PST US From: "flylightning" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: He's Done It Again! The picture jim had was of a customers aircraft we built here and he wante dhte tails to come off if needed.so we did the same thing to ours...still looks great but allows removal if needed .. Nick _____ From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Colin J. Kennedy Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 6:10 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: He's Done It Again! I saw Jim's response to this and a picture from him that showed a horizontal tail upper skin modified to over-lie the tail root. But is this the same has what Nick has done here? Come on Pete - don't hold out on us! Colin K. OK Lightning # 52 under construction. http://www.mykitlog.com/cojaken -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Pete Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 5:48 PM Subject: Lightning-List: He's Done It Again! This tail is removable but no gap! No tape! More magic! Pete .. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:08 AM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Kitplanes Editorial Scott, The reason for the look at a rule change is because of a move to "builde r assist" programs which include a pressurized turboprop and a light jet. This is obviously beyond what the majority of builders can achieve. I have witnessed a lot of Lightning builder assists and those guys mainly are the re for answering questions and help out when you're stuck. I do remember t hat Pete said that when they designed it they wanted an uncomplex build tha t would definately meet the 51% rule. Hope this helps, Brian W.> Date: Fri , 28 Mar 2008 07:14:55 -0700> From: scottarden@cox.net> To: lightning-list@ matronics.com> Subject: Lightning-List: Kitplanes Editorial> > --> Lightnin g-List message posted by: > > Hey Listers!> I received my new Kitplanes Magazine yesterday. The Editorial was a little sobering. A s one who is on the verge of writing a check for a Lightning kit, I'm a lit tle concerned about the proposed rule. I agree wholeheartedly with the auth or in that with the advent of the quickbuild kits and factory regulated bui lder assist, we have created a new generation of very safe airplanes. Ones that come much closer to a factory built bird than when we all bought a set of plans and started cutting wood!> > Is there anything we can do or anyon e that you guys know we can contact to help stave off this attack on qualit y homebuilding? I don't know for sure, but I am pretty positive that the Li ghtning builder assist is NOT "pay me your money and I'll build your airpla ne for you". In fact, my impression is that you spend very long days workin g very hard on every aspect of your airplane, with verbal guidance and an e xtra pair of hands. I hope I am correct and the B/A program can continue in tact. As far as the 51% goes, it seems that the Lightning meets that and I' d hate to have to add more tasks in building, especially with critical comp onents that the factory has done for us. > > Any comments?? Lets attack thi ========================> _ =====================> > > _________________________________________________________________ Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference . Learn more. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:08:39 AM PST US From: "Pete" Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Kitplanes Editorial Scott, Nothing is going to happen until October when the FAA study group presents its proposal. Then depending on what the proposal is there will be possibly an NPRM and comment period to consider the effects of any new rule proposal. The process will take some time to work out. So in the short term there is plenty of time to buy a Lightning and get it built and certified before any rule changes take place. While all this work is going on it would be a good idea to write your Congressmen and Senators to urge them to ask the FAA to leave the actual homebuilt or amateur built rule alone since it has proven out quite well over the years. Pete -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scottarden@cox.net Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:15 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Kitplanes Editorial Hey Listers! I received my new Kitplanes Magazine yesterday. The Editorial was a little sobering. As one who is on the verge of writing a check for a Lightning kit, I'm a little concerned about the proposed rule. I agree wholeheartedly with the author in that with the advent of the quickbuild kits and factory regulated builder assist, we have created a new generation of very safe airplanes. Ones that come much closer to a factory built bird than when we all bought a set of plans and started cutting wood! Is there anything we can do or anyone that you guys know we can contact to help stave off this attack on quality homebuilding? I don't know for sure, but I am pretty positive that the Lightning builder assist is NOT "pay me your money and I'll build your airplane for you". In fact, my impression is that you spend very long days working very hard on every aspect of your airplane, with verbal guidance and an extra pair of hands. I hope I am correct and the B/A program can continue intact. As far as the 51% goes, it seems that the Lightning meets that and I'd hate to have to add more tasks in building, especially with critical components that the factory has done for us. Any comments?? Lets attack this if we can! -- Have a blessed day! Scott C. Arden ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:16 AM PST US From: Brian Whittingham Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Kitplanes Editorial I can also see where the EAA could make one heck of a petition for this typ e of a thing. I expect they will have a large support in the lobbying proc ess.> From: pete@flylightning.net> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> Subjec t: RE: Lightning-List: Kitplanes Editorial> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2008 10:05:29 et>> > Scott,> > Nothing is going to happen until October when the FAA stud y group presents> its proposal. Then depending on what the proposal is ther e will be possibly> an NPRM and comment period to consider the effects of a ny new rule proposal.> The process will take some time to work out. So in t he short term there is> plenty of time to buy a Lightning and get it built and certified before any> rule changes take place.> > While all this work i s going on it would be a good idea to write your> Congressmen and Senators to urge them to ask the FAA to leave the actual> homebuilt or amateur built rule alone since it has proven out quite well> over the years.> > Pete> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of> scottard en@cox.net> Sent: Friday, March 28, 2008 9:15 AM> To: lightning-list@matron ics.com> Subject: Lightning-List: Kitplanes Editorial> > --> Lightning-List message posted by: > > Hey Listers!> I received my new Kitplanes Magazine yesterday. The Editorial was a little> sobering. As one who is on the verge of writing a check for a Lightning> kit, I'm a little concerned about the proposed rule. I agree wholeheartedly> with the author in that with the advent of the quickbuild kits and factory> regulated build er assist, we have created a new generation of very safe> airplanes. Ones t hat come much closer to a factory built bird than when we> all bought a set of plans and started cutting wood!> > Is there anything we can do or anyon e that you guys know we can contact to> help stave off this attack on quali ty homebuilding? I don't know for sure,> but I am pretty positive that the Lightning builder assist is NOT "pay me> your money and I'll build your air plane for you". In fact, my impression is> that you spend very long days wo rking very hard on every aspect of your> airplane, with verbal guidance and an extra pair of hands. I hope I am> correct and the B/A program can conti nue intact. As far as the 51% goes, it> seems that the Lightning meets that and I'd hate to have to add more tasks> in building, especially with criti cal components that the factory has done> for us. > > Any comments?? Lets a ttack this if we can!> --> Have a blessed day!> Scott C. Arden> > > > > > > ===> > > _________________________________________________________________ Test your Star IQ http://club.live.com/red_carpet_reveal.aspx?icid=redcarpet_HMTAGMAR ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:13 AM PST US From: EAFerguson@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Plaid? In a message dated 3/28/2008 8:34:57 AM Eastern Daylight Time, cjk129@cox.net writes: > Earl, > > Maybe you could have your panel re-finished to match your famous record > pants? :-) > > Colin K. > I think I'd like a Ferguson, or maybe Murray Tartan panel better. Murray would match the Blue/White exterior paint job better. Hmm, I haven't done the interior yet. That has some possibilities. Or I could just drape a plaid over the seat back. Earl Clan Ferguson Society of North America. BTW, fiting into a Lightning in a Kilt is a real challenge. I'd have to do Buz's 'wide ride' mod. ************** Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15& ncid=aolhom00030000000001) ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:02 PM PST US From: N1BZRich@aol.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: N324AL-Wooden panels-stripes-German creativity In a message dated 3/28/2008 2:57:08 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, clive.james@uk.bp.com writes: Attached is a wood effect panel.....well actually it is wood Clive, Beautiful workmanship on that wood panel. Whoever did that must have some great wood working equipment or a heck of a lot of time. But don't all switches, knobs, etc. have to be labeled over there? Buz **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. 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