Lightning-List Digest Archive

Fri 04/04/08


Total Messages Posted: 12



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 02:12 AM - Re: Re: Frapper Map (Helmut Frensch)
     2. 02:31 AM - Re: Re: Frapper Map (Jim Langley)
     3. 02:32 AM - Re: Re: Frapper Map (Jim Langley)
     4. 02:41 AM - Re: The tale of the scale (selwyn)
     5. 03:18 AM - Re: Re: The tale of the scale (Rick Bowen)
     6. 03:27 AM - Re: Re: Frapper Map (Helmut Frensch)
     7. 04:09 AM - Re: Tail Redesigns (jhausch)
     8. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: The tale of the scale (flylightning)
     9. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Tail Redesigns (Brian Whittingham)
    10. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Tail Redesigns (Brian Whittingham)
    11. 10:46 AM - SnF Schedule (EAFerguson@aol.com)
    12. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: The tale of the scale (EAFerguson@aol.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 02:12:08 AM PST US
    From: "Helmut Frensch" <frenschsh@internode.on.net>
    Subject: Re: Frapper Map
    My apology Buz, but I had not read issue 1 as I missed it in the backlog of emails that had piled up in February while I was away fishing for 2 weeks.I logged onto Jims lightning site and found it . I will now change the two to three excellent news letters. Cheers Helmut. ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:03:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, frenschsh@internode.on.net writes: Congratulations on two excellent news letters. So which one didn't you like? There have been three newsletters now. Seriously. Blue Skies, Buz ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----


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    Time: 02:31:52 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Frapper Map
    Did you add your postal code when you entered your address? From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Frensch Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:55 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map Thanks for the reply Jim, I have now moved the pin to Australia but for some reason it will not recognise Port Victoria in South Australia, but has placed the pin in Victoria which is a neighbouring state. I think I will need a case of beer and a couple of bottles of red to settle down before I try again. Cheers Helmut. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley <mailto:pequeajim@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map Hi Helmut. I just went through and moved my location to my mother's house in NJ and back. Here is what you do. When you log on to the map, your information will pop up off of your pin. I think this is called a shout out and it looks like a square cloud. Inside of this is a like that allows you to "Move this Pin". Select this and type in the correct address. I tried it the first time and it kind of froze. I got out of the map and went back and tried it again and it worked. Frapper has some bugs to it and I might just create one on my web site that has a bit more flexibility, but with that , you would not be able to add and edit on your own. This is what makes the Frapper concept so nice, but the beta is a bit confusing. We'll give it a little more time, and if it does not get better, I will do one myself. Let me know if this does not work for you and I will try to figure something else out. Also, if anyone else knows of another Frapper type of map that is better, post a link to the list. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Frensch Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map Jim, I have tried to add my brothers lightning kit to the map but it seems to have a mind of its own. The photo and name were accepted but the location gets screwed up and it will not accept the changes I put in. My brothers name is John Frensch, and I am helping him buils kit No 36. the location is Port Victoria, in South Australia. For some reason the map seems to take this as some place in France and not in Australia . Hope you can help. Regards Helmut Frensch. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley <mailto:pequeajim@gmail.com> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map I added some instructions for you guys. If you are having any problems at all, please send me an email and I will help. Still waiting for a Shelbyville pin; the most important one. Here are a few tips for entering your information: Visit this web address: <http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137439272225> http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137439272225 If you have not joined the map, there should be a button in the upper-left corner of the map that says "Join". Click this and a small pop-up form will appear that will allow you to add your information. If you would like to edit your information, then find your pin on the map and click on it. You then can change your data, including your picture. There are three different color pins, (I can add more if needed) - Use yellow for Lightning - Use blue for Esqual - Use red if you are a dealer/distributer Use the "shoutout" field to describe yourself, or add your web address. For instance Green Landings Flight Center <http://www.greenlandings.com/> www.greenlandings.com 304-754-6010 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 02:32:04 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Langley" <pequeajim@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Frapper Map
    Attaboy! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Frensch Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:09 AM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map My apology Buz, but I had not read issue 1 as I missed it in the backlog of emails that had piled up in February while I was away fishing for 2 weeks.I logged onto Jims lightning site and found it . I will now change the two to three excellent news letters. Cheers Helmut. ----- Original Message ----- From: N1BZRich@aol.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:03:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, frenschsh@internode.on.net writes: Congratulations on two excellent news letters. So which one didn't you like? There have been three newsletters now. Seriously. Blue Skies, Buz _____ Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL <http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016> Travel Guides. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Lightning-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


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    Time: 02:41:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: The tale of the scale
    From: "selwyn" <selwyn@ellisworks.com.au>
    Well, everyone is being very coy about empty weights. So far I have three aeroplanes with an average of around 840 lb. What about the rest of you motivated people enjoying flying your Lightings? Whats being achieved for real flying machines? Anyone under 800? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174759#174759


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    Time: 03:18:39 AM PST US
    From: Rick Bowen <rollnloop@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: The tale of the scale
    When we weighed my Lightning, just before she got her airworthiness, she ca me in at 789lbs... Rick N727RB> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: The tale of the scale> From: selwyn@el lisworks.com.au> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:39:05 -0700> To: lightning-list@m sworks.com.au>> > Well, everyone is being very coy about empty weights. So far I have three aeroplanes with an average of around 840 lb. What about th e rest of you motivated people enjoying flying your Lightings? What=C2=B4s being achieved for real flying machines? Anyone under 800?> > > > > Read th is topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1747 ==========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_getintouch_042008


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    Time: 03:27:30 AM PST US
    From: "Helmut Frensch" <frenschsh@internode.on.net>
    Subject: Re: Frapper Map
    I have now added the post code this has moved me to the center of South Australia but still hundreds of kilometers away from Port Victoria Cheers Helmut. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:55 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map Did you add your postal code when you entered your address? From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Frensch Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:55 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map Thanks for the reply Jim, I have now moved the pin to Australia but for some reason it will not recognise Port Victoria in South Australia, but has placed the pin in Victoria which is a neighbouring state. I think I will need a case of beer and a couple of bottles of red to settle down before I try again. Cheers Helmut. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:32 PM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map Hi Helmut. I just went through and moved my location to my mother's house in NJ and back. Here is what you do. When you log on to the map, your information will pop up off of your pin. I think this is called a shout out and it looks like a square cloud. Inside of this is a like that allows you to "Move this Pin". Select this and type in the correct address. I tried it the first time and it kind of froze. I got out of the map and went back and tried it again and it worked. Frapper has some bugs to it and I might just create one on my web site that has a bit more flexibility, but with that , you would not be able to add and edit on your own. This is what makes the Frapper concept so nice, but the beta is a bit confusing. We'll give it a little more time, and if it does not get better, I will do one myself. Let me know if this does not work for you and I will try to figure something else out. Also, if anyone else knows of another Frapper type of map that is better, post a link to the list. Jim! From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut Frensch Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:56 PM To: lightning-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map Jim, I have tried to add my brothers lightning kit to the map but it seems to have a mind of its own. The photo and name were accepted but the location gets screwed up and it will not accept the changes I put in. My brothers name is John Frensch, and I am helping him buils kit No 36. the location is Port Victoria, in South Australia. For some reason the map seems to take this as some place in France and not in Australia . Hope you can help. Regards Helmut Frensch. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Langley To: lightning-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:21 AM Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map I added some instructions for you guys. If you are having any problems at all, please send me an email and I will help. Still waiting for a Shelbyville pin; the most important one. Here are a few tips for entering your information: Visit this web address: http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137439272225 If you have not joined the map, there should be a button in the upper-left corner of the map that says "Join". Click this and a small pop-up form will appear that will allow you to add your information. If you would like to edit your information, then find your pin on the map and click on it. You then can change your data, including your picture. There are three different color pins, (I can add more if needed) - Use yellow for Lightning - Use blue for Esqual - Use red if you are a dealer/distributer Use the "shoutout" field to describe yourself, or add your web address. For instance Green Landings Flight Center www.greenlandings.com 304-754-6010 href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution"> http://www.matronics.com/c http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics. comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 04:09:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tail Redesigns
    From: "jhausch" <jhausch@charter.net>
    Thanks for the explanation and pictures. I don't know enough about aerodynamics or ac design to comment, but that's never stopped me before [Wink] Please explain the idea behind the benefit offered here (you called it the spade effect?) vs if you were to just extend the fixed and moving parts of the H-stab/elevator full length? I have attached a crude sketch to explain. What is the A/C in the background of Horizontal 1? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174762#174762 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_feathers_180.jpg


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    Time: 06:06:53 AM PST US
    From: "flylightning" <info@flylightning.net>
    Subject: Re: The tale of the scale
    Our new demo 324AL weighed in at 823. full pants and fairings dual EFIS full auto pilot, roll and pitch. Very well fitted. Nick Otterback Arion Aircraft, LLC -----Original Message----- From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:39 AM Subject: Lightning-List: Re: The tale of the scale Well, everyone is being very coy about empty weights. So far I have three aeroplanes with an average of around 840 lb. What about the rest of you motivated people enjoying flying your Lightings? Whats being achieved for real flying machines? Anyone under 800? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174759#174759


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    Time: 07:14:50 AM PST US
    From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tail Redesigns
    The spades on aircraft (found on things like Citabrias) help to eleviate co ntrol pressures and also work as a dynamic balance. They hang down from th e ailerons and look like a spade or shovel. From what I understand, by shi elding this, it helps to greatly reduce that effect. From what I have read though, when applied to the rudder, a shielded rudder will help to reduce the nose initially swinging opposite of the rudder input, especially during control reversal. I think that it is also done for looks though. Just no ticed that most aircraft, including the similar looking Lancair have this. When I flew the Lightnings I don't remember Dutch Roll as being a problem, just wondered if the Arion guys had thought to try this out and see if it makes any difference, and what their thoughts on this might be. Brian W.> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Tail Redesigns> From: jhausch@charter.net> Dat e: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 04:06:45 -0700> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "jhausch" <jhausch@charter.net>> > Thanks for the explanation and pictures.> > I don't know enough about aerodynamic s or ac design to comment, but that's never stopped me before [Wink] > > Pl ease explain the idea behind the benefit offered here (you called it the sp ade effect?) vs if you were to just extend the fixed and moving parts of th e H-stab/elevator full length? > > I have attached a crude sketch to explai n. > > What is the A/C in the background of Horizontal 1?> > > > > Read thi s topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=17476 2#174762> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_ ===========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. http://green.msn.com/galleries/photos/photos.aspx?gid=164&ocid=T003MSN5 1N1653A


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    Time: 09:55:32 AM PST US
    From: Brian Whittingham <dashvii@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Tail Redesigns
    Oh, and the aircraft in the background is a Jabiru J-250 I believe. Basica lly a 4 seater high wing with the rear two seats removed, can be a special light sport, but gives a huge baggage compartment with full sized door for access. Brian W. From: dashvii@hotmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light ning-List: Re: Tail RedesignsDate: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:08:02 -0500 The spades on aircraft (found on things like Citabrias) help to eleviate co ntrol pressures and also work as a dynamic balance. They hang down from th e ailerons and look like a spade or shovel. From what I understand, by shi elding this, it helps to greatly reduce that effect. From what I have read though, when applied to the rudder, a shielded rudder will help to reduce the nose initially swinging opposite of the rudder input, especially during control reversal. I think that it is also done for looks though. Just no ticed that most aircraft, including the similar looking Lancair have this. When I flew the Lightnings I don't remember Dutch Roll as being a problem, just wondered if the Arion guys had thought to try this out and see if it makes any difference, and what their thoughts on this might be. Brian W.> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Tail Redesigns> From: jhausch@charter.net> Dat e: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 04:06:45 -0700> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> > --> Lightning-List message posted by: "jhausch" <jhausch@charter.net>> > Thanks for the explanation and pictures.> > I don't know enough about aerodynamic s or ac design to comment, but that's never stopped me before [Wink] > > Pl ease explain the idea behind the benefit offered here (you called it the sp ade effect?) vs if you were to just extend the fixed and moving parts of th e H-stab/elevator full length? > > I have attached a crude sketch to explai n. > > What is the A/C in the background of Horizontal 1?> > > > > Read thi s topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=17476 2#174762> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_ feathers_180.jpg> > >================== ======> > > Going green? See the top 12 foods to eat organic. _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_getintouch_042008


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    Time: 10:46:13 AM PST US
    From: EAFerguson@aol.com
    Subject: SnF Schedule
    Buz, Pete or whoever can Please post the Arion/Jab SnF event schedule. I'm trying to make it down, but didn't write the schedule down when it was posted earlier. There be some other klutzes like me in the same boat. I'll probably be there in Sat the 12th for the day. Wanted to be there sooner & longer, but it ain't going to happen. Earl ************** Guides. (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)


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    Time: 11:04:03 AM PST US
    From: EAFerguson@aol.com
    Subject: Re: The tale of the scale
    In a message dated 4/4/2008 9:07:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, info@flylightning.net writes: > > Our new demo 324AL weighed in at 823. full pants and fairings dual EFIS full > auto pilot, roll and pitch. Very well fitted. > > Nick Otterback > Arion Aircraft, LLC I'm impressed, mine weighs 832 without the interior, gear clean-up or autopilot. Earl N17EF ************** (http://travel.aol.com/travel-guide/united-states?ncid=aoltrv00030000000016)




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