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1. 02:12 AM - Re: Re: Frapper Map (Helmut Frensch)
2. 02:31 AM - Re: Re: Frapper Map (Jim Langley)
3. 02:32 AM - Re: Re: Frapper Map (Jim Langley)
4. 02:41 AM - Re: The tale of the scale (selwyn)
5. 03:18 AM - Re: Re: The tale of the scale (Rick Bowen)
6. 03:27 AM - Re: Re: Frapper Map (Helmut Frensch)
7. 04:09 AM - Re: Tail Redesigns (jhausch)
8. 06:06 AM - Re: Re: The tale of the scale (flylightning)
9. 07:14 AM - Re: Re: Tail Redesigns (Brian Whittingham)
10. 09:55 AM - Re: Re: Tail Redesigns (Brian Whittingham)
11. 10:46 AM - SnF Schedule (EAFerguson@aol.com)
12. 11:04 AM - Re: Re: The tale of the scale (EAFerguson@aol.com)
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My apology Buz, but I had not read issue 1 as I missed it in the backlog
of emails that had piled up in February while I was away fishing for 2
weeks.I logged onto Jims lightning site and found it . I will now change
the two to three excellent news letters.
Cheers Helmut.
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:03:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
frenschsh@internode.on.net writes:
Congratulations on two excellent news letters.
So which one didn't you like? There have been three newsletters now.
Seriously.
Blue Skies,
Buz
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Did you add your postal code when you entered your address?
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
Frensch
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
Thanks for the reply Jim,
I have now moved the pin to Australia but for some reason it will not
recognise Port Victoria in South Australia, but has placed the pin in
Victoria which is a neighbouring state. I think I will need a case of beer
and a couple of bottles of red to settle down before I try again.
Cheers Helmut.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley <mailto:pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
Hi Helmut. I just went through and moved my location to my mother's house
in NJ and back. Here is what you do.
When you log on to the map, your information will pop up off of your pin. I
think this is called a shout out and it looks like a square cloud. Inside
of this is a like that allows you to "Move this Pin". Select this and type
in the correct address. I tried it the first time and it kind of froze. I
got out of the map and went back and tried it again and it worked. Frapper
has some bugs to it and I might just create one on my web site that has a
bit more flexibility, but with that , you would not be able to add and edit
on your own. This is what makes the Frapper concept so nice, but the beta
is a bit confusing.
We'll give it a little more time, and if it does not get better, I will do
one myself.
Let me know if this does not work for you and I will try to figure something
else out.
Also, if anyone else knows of another Frapper type of map that is better,
post a link to the list.
Jim!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
Frensch
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
Jim,
I have tried to add my brothers lightning kit to the map but it seems to
have a mind of its own.
The photo and name were accepted but the location gets screwed up and it
will not accept the changes I put in.
My brothers name is John Frensch, and I am helping him buils kit No 36. the
location is Port Victoria, in South Australia.
For some reason the map seems to take this as some place in France and not
in Australia . Hope you can help.
Regards Helmut Frensch.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley <mailto:pequeajim@gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
I added some instructions for you guys. If you are having any problems at
all, please send me an email and I will help.
Still waiting for a Shelbyville pin; the most important one.
Here are a few tips for entering your information:
Visit this web address:
<http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137439272225>
http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137439272225
If you have not joined the map, there should be a button in the upper-left
corner of the map that says "Join".
Click this and a small pop-up form will appear that will allow you to add
your information.
If you would like to edit your information, then find your pin on the map
and click on it. You then can change your data, including your picture.
There are three different color pins, (I can add more if needed)
- Use yellow for Lightning
- Use blue for Esqual
- Use red if you are a dealer/distributer
Use the "shoutout" field to describe yourself, or add your web address.
For instance
Green Landings Flight Center
<http://www.greenlandings.com/> www.greenlandings.com
304-754-6010
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.matronic
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Attaboy!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
Frensch
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 5:09 AM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
My apology Buz, but I had not read issue 1 as I missed it in the backlog of
emails that had piled up in February while I was away fishing for 2 weeks.I
logged onto Jims lightning site and found it . I will now change the two to
three excellent news letters.
Cheers Helmut.
----- Original Message -----
From: N1BZRich@aol.com
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
In a message dated 4/4/2008 12:03:13 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
frenschsh@internode.on.net writes:
Congratulations on two excellent news letters.
So which one didn't you like? There have been three newsletters now.
Seriously.
Blue Skies,
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Subject: | Re: The tale of the scale |
Well, everyone is being very coy about empty weights. So far I have three aeroplanes
with an average of around 840 lb. What about the rest of you motivated
people enjoying flying your Lightings? Whats being achieved for real flying
machines? Anyone under 800?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174759#174759
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Subject: | Re: The tale of the scale |
When we weighed my Lightning, just before she got her airworthiness, she ca
me in at 789lbs...
Rick
N727RB> Subject: Lightning-List: Re: The tale of the scale> From: selwyn@el
lisworks.com.au> Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 02:39:05 -0700> To: lightning-list@m
sworks.com.au>> > Well, everyone is being very coy about empty weights. So
far I have three aeroplanes with an average of around 840 lb. What about th
e rest of you motivated people enjoying flying your Lightings? What=C2=B4s
being achieved for real flying machines? Anyone under 800?> > > > > Read th
is topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=1747
==========> > >
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I have now added the post code this has moved me to the center of South
Australia but still hundreds of kilometers away from Port Victoria
Cheers Helmut.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
Did you add your postal code when you entered your address?
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
Frensch
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 11:55 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
Thanks for the reply Jim,
I have now moved the pin to Australia but for some reason it will not
recognise Port Victoria in South Australia, but has placed the pin in
Victoria which is a neighbouring state. I think I will need a case of
beer and a couple of bottles of red to settle down before I try again.
Cheers Helmut.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:32 PM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
Hi Helmut. I just went through and moved my location to my mother's
house in NJ and back. Here is what you do.
When you log on to the map, your information will pop up off of your
pin. I think this is called a shout out and it looks like a square
cloud. Inside of this is a like that allows you to "Move this Pin".
Select this and type in the correct address. I tried it the first time
and it kind of froze. I got out of the map and went back and tried it
again and it worked. Frapper has some bugs to it and I might just
create one on my web site that has a bit more flexibility, but with that
, you would not be able to add and edit on your own. This is what makes
the Frapper concept so nice, but the beta is a bit confusing.
We'll give it a little more time, and if it does not get better, I
will do one myself.
Let me know if this does not work for you and I will try to figure
something else out.
Also, if anyone else knows of another Frapper type of map that is
better, post a link to the list.
Jim!
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Helmut
Frensch
Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:56 PM
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
Jim,
I have tried to add my brothers lightning kit to the map but it
seems to have a mind of its own.
The photo and name were accepted but the location gets screwed up
and it will not accept the changes I put in.
My brothers name is John Frensch, and I am helping him buils kit No
36. the location is Port Victoria, in South Australia.
For some reason the map seems to take this as some place in France
and not in Australia . Hope you can help.
Regards Helmut Frensch.
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim Langley
To: lightning-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2008 10:21 AM
Subject: RE: Lightning-List: Re: Frapper Map
I added some instructions for you guys. If you are having any
problems at all, please send me an email and I will help.
Still waiting for a Shelbyville pin; the most important one.
Here are a few tips for entering your information:
Visit this web address:
http://www.frappr.com/?a=constellation_map&mapid=137439272225
If you have not joined the map, there should be a button in the
upper-left corner of the map that says "Join".
Click this and a small pop-up form will appear that will allow you
to add your information.
If you would like to edit your information, then find your pin on
the map and click on it. You then can change your data, including your
picture.
There are three different color pins, (I can add more if needed)
- Use yellow for Lightning
- Use blue for Esqual
- Use red if you are a dealer/distributer
Use the "shoutout" field to describe yourself, or add your web
address.
For instance
Green Landings Flight Center
www.greenlandings.com
304-754-6010
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat
ronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h
ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-Listhttp://forums.matronics.
comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Lightning-List">http://www.mat
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ttp://forums.matronics.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">
http://www.matronics.com/c
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Subject: | Re: Tail Redesigns |
Thanks for the explanation and pictures.
I don't know enough about aerodynamics or ac design to comment, but that's never
stopped me before [Wink]
Please explain the idea behind the benefit offered here (you called it the spade
effect?) vs if you were to just extend the fixed and moving parts of the H-stab/elevator
full length?
I have attached a crude sketch to explain.
What is the A/C in the background of Horizontal 1?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174762#174762
Attachments:
http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_feathers_180.jpg
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Subject: | Re: The tale of the scale |
Our new demo 324AL weighed in at 823. full pants and fairings dual EFIS full
auto pilot, roll and pitch. Very well fitted.
Nick Otterback
Arion Aircraft, LLC
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-lightning-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of selwyn
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 4:39 AM
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: The tale of the scale
Well, everyone is being very coy about empty weights. So far I have three
aeroplanes with an average of around 840 lb. What about the rest of you
motivated people enjoying flying your Lightings? Whats being achieved for
real flying machines? Anyone under 800?
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=174759#174759
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Subject: | Re: Tail Redesigns |
The spades on aircraft (found on things like Citabrias) help to eleviate co
ntrol pressures and also work as a dynamic balance. They hang down from th
e ailerons and look like a spade or shovel. From what I understand, by shi
elding this, it helps to greatly reduce that effect. From what I have read
though, when applied to the rudder, a shielded rudder will help to reduce
the nose initially swinging opposite of the rudder input, especially during
control reversal. I think that it is also done for looks though. Just no
ticed that most aircraft, including the similar looking Lancair have this.
When I flew the Lightnings I don't remember Dutch Roll as being a problem,
just wondered if the Arion guys had thought to try this out and see if it
makes any difference, and what their thoughts on this might be. Brian W.>
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Tail Redesigns> From: jhausch@charter.net> Dat
e: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 04:06:45 -0700> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> > -->
Lightning-List message posted by: "jhausch" <jhausch@charter.net>> > Thanks
for the explanation and pictures.> > I don't know enough about aerodynamic
s or ac design to comment, but that's never stopped me before [Wink] > > Pl
ease explain the idea behind the benefit offered here (you called it the sp
ade effect?) vs if you were to just extend the fixed and moving parts of th
e H-stab/elevator full length? > > I have attached a crude sketch to explai
n. > > What is the A/C in the background of Horizontal 1?> > > > > Read thi
s topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=17476
2#174762> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_
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Subject: | Re: Tail Redesigns |
Oh, and the aircraft in the background is a Jabiru J-250 I believe. Basica
lly a 4 seater high wing with the rear two seats removed, can be a special
light sport, but gives a huge baggage compartment with full sized door for
access. Brian W.
From: dashvii@hotmail.comTo: lightning-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: Light
ning-List: Re: Tail RedesignsDate: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 09:08:02 -0500
The spades on aircraft (found on things like Citabrias) help to eleviate co
ntrol pressures and also work as a dynamic balance. They hang down from th
e ailerons and look like a spade or shovel. From what I understand, by shi
elding this, it helps to greatly reduce that effect. From what I have read
though, when applied to the rudder, a shielded rudder will help to reduce
the nose initially swinging opposite of the rudder input, especially during
control reversal. I think that it is also done for looks though. Just no
ticed that most aircraft, including the similar looking Lancair have this.
When I flew the Lightnings I don't remember Dutch Roll as being a problem,
just wondered if the Arion guys had thought to try this out and see if it
makes any difference, and what their thoughts on this might be. Brian W.>
Subject: Lightning-List: Re: Tail Redesigns> From: jhausch@charter.net> Dat
e: Fri, 4 Apr 2008 04:06:45 -0700> To: lightning-list@matronics.com> > -->
Lightning-List message posted by: "jhausch" <jhausch@charter.net>> > Thanks
for the explanation and pictures.> > I don't know enough about aerodynamic
s or ac design to comment, but that's never stopped me before [Wink] > > Pl
ease explain the idea behind the benefit offered here (you called it the sp
ade effect?) vs if you were to just extend the fixed and moving parts of th
e H-stab/elevator full length? > > I have attached a crude sketch to explai
n. > > What is the A/C in the background of Horizontal 1?> > > > > Read thi
s topic online here:> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=17476
2#174762> > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/tail_
feathers_180.jpg> > >==================
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Buz, Pete or whoever can Please post the Arion/Jab SnF event schedule. I'm
trying to make it down, but didn't write the schedule down when it was posted
earlier. There be some other klutzes like me in the same boat.
I'll probably be there in Sat the 12th for the day. Wanted to be there sooner
& longer, but it ain't going to happen.
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Subject: | Re: The tale of the scale |
In a message dated 4/4/2008 9:07:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
info@flylightning.net writes:
>
> Our new demo 324AL weighed in at 823. full pants and fairings dual EFIS full
> auto pilot, roll and pitch. Very well fitted.
>
> Nick Otterback
> Arion Aircraft, LLC
I'm impressed, mine weighs 832 without the interior, gear clean-up or
autopilot.
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